MT + 5th to Charlotte for MKG

[andjel]

Time to start dreaming

Why Charlotte:
Have multiple needs, scoring being one of the top ones making MT great fit. MKG does not help there at all and after him there is no huge difference between other folks that will fall to 5th pick

Why Kings:
Reke, TW, MKG, JT, Cousins with IT heavily used 6th man.
Welcome to the most physical grinding line up in the league.

If we luck out and get mythical interior defender and push JT to the bench, even without 3pt threats I would not want to meet us in the playoff if I am on the other team.

If Jimmer does not turn out to be a bust.....time to wake up

 

[Bricklayer]

MKG projects out as more super roleplayer than major star. Like to have him, but you are talking about our two best trade assets put otgether like he's a superstar or some such.

 

[rainmaker]

Too much for me. If we include MT with the pick in a package, you do it for a proven NBA starter who can help, such as an Iggy or a Granger. You don't trade MT and the pick for someone who hasn't stepped onto an NBA court, unless it's Davis.

There'd have to be more coming back, or less going out. Maybe if Char included Bismack I'd consider it, but even something like that I'd have to think about.

 

[beb0p]

Charlotte is not dumb. MKG is a future star; he + Henderson + Biyombo = very good defensive team. Why would they give that up for MT + #5? They don't need MT and they'd rather pick #2 than #5.

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[Tetsujin]

Charlotte is not dumb. MKG is a future star; he + Henderson + Biyombo = very good defensive team. Why would they give that up for MT + #5?
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Because taking one of the top scoring SG in the league and a top 5 pick in exchange for a number 2 pick who isn't going to tremendously help the worst offense in the history of the modern NBA is tantamount to stealing candy from a baby.

 

[Bricklayer]

Charlotte is not dumb. MKG is a future star; he + Henderson + Biyombo = very good defensive team. Why would they give that up for MT + #5? They don't need MT and they'd rather pick #2 than #5.

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Future star of what magnitude? Is he going to be better than Gerald Wallace was while he was there? That's kind of their problem. A Gerlad Wallace level guy can't make that franchise significant.

 

[Tetsujin]

Future star of what magnitude? Is he going to be better than Gerald Wallace was while he was there? That's kind of their problem. A Gerlad Wallace level guy can't make that franchise significant.

For what it's worth, I think he will be better than Wallace when all is said and done, that being said, you're right.

 

[hrdboild]

Honestly, I still think there's a chance MKG falls to #5 anyway. He's a great team player who's talent shines in a 5-on-5 game but I don't know if he'll get the same workout hype as freak athletes like Drummond or Robinson. We'll know better in a couple weeks, but after Davis those two big guys will get a long look from everyone and Washington has been high on Bradley Beal for awhile. DeMarcus Cousins should have been 2nd and fell to 5th, Brandon Knight should have been 3rd and fell to 7th (cough, 8th ). We could get lucky a third time in a row. I doubt Barnes is off the board at 5, but other than that I can't say right now how picks 2-6 are going to go.

Actually -- now that I think about it, Charlotte does have a history of drafting players from MJ's alma mater don't they? #2 is an obvious reach for Barnes, but they reached for Sean May and Raymond Felton so maybe there is a slight chance he's off the board at 5. Then again, those two guys won a national championship so they're "winners".

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Honestly, I still think there's a chance MKG falls to #5 anyway. He's a great team player who's talent shines in a 5-on-5 game but I don't know if he'll get the same workout hype as freak athletes like Drummond or Robinson.

Exactly. Right now I think there's actually a very good chance that MKG falls to us, and if not, that means Robinson probably does. I'd much rather have MT (as a player or a trade asset) and choose between MKG/Robinson and Barnes than lose MT to pick MKG for certain.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Lots of wishful thinking going here. I'd say the chances of either MKG or Robinson falling to 5 is about 5%. It just won't happen barring something completely unforeseen happening.

We're likely going to be left with a choice of Barnes, Drummond or Beal. It will be two out of those three we'll be looking at. Which isn't a bad consolation prize.

 

[ParniValjak]

Too much to give up IMHO.

MT and pick 5 are our biggest trading chips. I would be open for trading either/both for the right player but as much as I like MKG, I don't think it would be wise to trade both MT and pick 5 for him.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

too much to give up to move up a few spots for someone that will be a super role player. i think we'll get someone good as long as it isn't barnes.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I admire the way Gilchrist plays, but he's getting seriously overrated. The comparisons to Wallace aren't even that good, he doesn't get the steals and blocks that Wallace got, and he doesn't have the elite athleticism that Wallace had. He's better at other things sure, but it's trade-off.

 

[hrdboild]

I admire the way Gilchrist plays, but he's getting seriously overrated. The comparisons to Wallace aren't even that good, he doesn't get the steals and blocks that Wallace got, and he doesn't have the elite athleticism that Wallace had. He's better at other things sure, but it's trade-off.

I think this is generally true. He doesn't have the jaw-dropping athleticism of Wallace and that's pretty much what defined Wallace's game until recently. A late-career Wallace perhaps. Andre Igoudala is a better comparison because of the passing savvy but he also had ridiculous athleticism early in his career. I don't see Gilchrist being a superstar because I don't think he could take over a game offensively, but when you look at his attitude on the court and his work ethic off the court he's basically the ideal basketball player. If we were looking for a #1 option I think we'd be disappointed, but as a #3 glue guy he's about the best player you could hope for. Cleveland and Charlotte at least might be looking for more upside out of their picks. That's the only reason I see him possibly slipping. He's still #2 on my board right now.

 

[DesertFox]

If Charlotte had some useful filler I would consider. A Korver or similar level role player. But they don't.
And no way they go Evans/MKG/TW. That will be the worst shooting team in the league by far.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

If we can make them take Salmons contract, I think I'd make that deal.

 

[gunks]

Beat me to it. I'd do this trade in a heartbeat.

5th is going to net us a roleplayer anyways, might as well trade up for a super roleplayer. MT needs to be traded asap, dude has future cancer written all over him.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I don't think this is really a draft you give up much to move up for. I'd think about trading down for maybe T. Jones or Zeller.

 

[UK_King]

MKG is your classic "glue guy" I wouldn't exactly call him a game changer though. Well from what i saw in the tournament anyway.

 

[ParniValjak]

MKG is your classic "glue guy" I wouldn't exactly call him a game changer though. Well from what i saw in the tournament anyway.

With the team that we currently have a great "glue guy" could do wonders for us. Still think MT and pick 5 is way too much to pay and I am not convinced that MKG will be picked by Charlotte. They probably need more of a higher ceiling type player earlier on so they are more likely to go with someone like Beal or Robinson.

I could see MKG slipping all the way to us if it weren't for Cavs but even the Cavs might be more inclined to go for Drummond (ie get their big guy now that they have their little guy in Irving and try and build around Drummond - Thompson - Irving trio)

Not convinced that Wizards pick him up considering that they drafted Velesy and Singleton last year. Too early to give up on those 2 especially for a "glue guy"

 

[roasthawg]

Barnes + Thornton >>>>> MKG imo.

 

[Vlade4GM]

With the team that we currently have a great "glue guy" could do wonders for us. Still think MT and pick 5 is way too much to pay and I am not convinced that MKG will be picked by Charlotte. They probably need more of a higher ceiling type player earlier on so they are more likely to go with someone like Beal or Robinson.

I could see MKG slipping all the way to us if it weren't for Cavs but even the Cavs might be more inclined to go for Drummond (ie get their big guy now that they have their little guy in Irving and try and build around Drummond - Thompson - Irving trio)

Not convinced that Wizards pick him up considering that they drafted Velesy and Singleton last year. Too early to give up on those 2 especially for a "glue guy"

Vesely is not a SF, and Singleton is not a likely to be considered their future there. I have a really hard time seeing Gilchrist slip past them. He's ideal for them, he's a 3, brings defense, character, leadership, and someone who can play off Wall.

 

[beb0p]

Future star of what magnitude? Is he going to be better than Gerald Wallace was while he was there? That's kind of their problem. A Gerlad Wallace level guy can't make that franchise significant.

There's a good chance MKG will be better than Gerald Wallace; he's already better than GW was at the same age and has a better work ethic.

And yes, a Gerald Wallace level guy alone can't turn around that franchise, but a Marcus Thornton guy plus a Drummond can? I don't get it. Not to mention, why would the Bobcats need another no-offense but athletic big?
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[Bricklayer]

There's a good chance MKG will be better than Gerald Wallace; he's already better than GW was at the same age and has a better work ethic.

And nowhere near, as in not even the same planet, the freak athleticism which is what allowed Wallace to do what he has done in the NBA. MKG mihgt have average athleticism for a SF. Maybe. Having a strong work ethic just means you'll have a shot to max you what is already there. If its not...

As big a problem is unlike the Pippen/Iggy class of perimter stoppers, MKG doesn't have great ballhandling/ability to create to make him special like that. I don't even know if he wants to be special like that.

When he gets talked about as a star I dunno, maybe peoplle are hoping with a few more years of seasoning he turns into Grant Hill or something. defensively sure. His low end is a useful defensive hustler. But offensively, what does he do that is going to carry a team? Its all glue and hustle. Which actually works for us BTW as we've already got star level talents on the team wiating to break out, and need the glue roleplayers to support them. But taken alone and asked to carry a team? There's no way.

 

[The_Jamal]

And nowhere near, as in not even the same planet, the freak athleticism which is what allowed Wallace to do what he has done in the NBA. MKG mihgt have average athleticism for a SF. Maybe. Having a strong work ethic just means you'll have a shot to max you what is already there. If its not...

As big a problem is unlike the Pippen/Iggy class of perimter stoppers, MKG doesn't have great ballhandling/ability to create to make him special like that. I don't even know if he wants to be special like that.

When he gets talked about as a star I dunno, maybe peoplle are hoping with a few more years of seasoning he turns into Grant Hill or something. defensively sure. His low end is a useful defensive hustler. But offensively, what does he do that is going to carry a team? Its all glue and hustle. Which actually works for us BTW as we've already got star level talents on the team wiating to break out, and need the glue roleplayers to support them. But taken alone and asked to carry a team? There's no way.

Your way off-base and haven't seen MKG play very much if this is what you think of his game . The only weakness in his game is lacking a consistent outside jumper. Thats it. He's a fantastic ball-handler/passer, he's brilliant in transition, he's extremely athletic, and he can get to the 1-3 all at a high level. If that wasn't good enough in itself, he's a born leader and his hustle/team mentality/work ethic is one of the best i've seen come out in the draft in a while with a player of his talent and caliber. He's absolutely a perfect fit for this team and would give us the defensive leader and most likely the team leader that we've been missing for more than 5 years now. I'd bet on him being a more sure thing than anyone in this draft and everyone on our team outside of Cousins

 

[Bricklayer]

Your way off-base and haven't seen MKG play very much if this is what you think of his game . The only weakness in his game is lacking a consistent outside jumper. Thats it. He's a fantastic ball-handler/passer, he's brilliant in transition, he's extremely athletic, and he can get to the 1-3 all at a high level. If that wasn't good enough in itself, he's a born leader and his hustle/team mentality/work ethic is one of the best i've seen come out in the draft in a while with a player of his talent and caliber. He's absolutely a perfect fit for this team and would give us the defensive leader and most likely the team leader that we've been missing for more than 5 years now. I'd bet on him being a more sure thing than anyone in this draft and everyone on our team outside of Cousins

Truly a freak athelete :

compare that to this:

Still maybe my favorite in game dunk of all time, although it was preseason. There is no comparison. At all. Different planets. At Gilchrist's age Wallace was probably one of the 5 best atheltes to ever play his position. LeBron, 'Nique, these guys had nothing on him. People jsut forget. Conveniently sometimes.

And he's still much more explosive as an older player too:

MKG is a dirtworker. After Davis I would like to have he or a properly motivated Drummond on our team. But he's not going to be a star based on his athleticism alone, and his rep is jack of all trades master of none.

 

[Dime Dropper]

And nowhere near, as in not even the same planet, the freak athleticism which is what allowed Wallace to do what he has done in the NBA. MKG mihgt have average athleticism for a SF. Maybe. Having a strong work ethic just means you'll have a shot to max you what is already there. If its not...

As big a problem is unlike the Pippen/Iggy class of perimter stoppers, MKG doesn't have great ballhandling/ability to create to make him special like that. I don't even know if he wants to be special like that.

When he gets talked about as a star I dunno, maybe peoplle are hoping with a few more years of seasoning he turns into Grant Hill or something. defensively sure. His low end is a useful defensive hustler. But offensively, what does he do that is going to carry a team? Its all glue and hustle. Which actually works for us BTW as we've already got star level talents on the team wiating to break out, and need the glue roleplayers to support them. But taken alone and asked to carry a team? There's no way.

You're off on some aspects here, Brick. First off let me say that I agree that he probably won't be a star, capable of carrying a team. Uber role player is likely more accurate. However, he is an EXCELLENT ball-handler for a SF, and he's certainly an above average athlete for a SF. He can really create. I don't know why you got the impression that he won't be able to do it. I don't know how many Kentucky games you watched, but don't rely just on highlight mixes. You miss so much with them.

Here's an example of his athleticism (which although not freakish, is still pretty damn good):

 

[Bricklayer]

You're off on some aspects here, Brick. First off let me say that I agree that he probably won't be a star, capable of carrying a team. Uber role player is likely more accurate. However, he is an EXCELLENT ball-handler for a SF, and he's certainly an above average athlete for a SF. He can really create. I don't know why you got the impression that he won't be able to do it. I don't know how many Kentucky games you watched, but don't rely just on highlight mixes. You miss so much with them.

Here's an example of his athleticism (which although not freakish, is still pretty damn good):

If we brought back all our SFs from last year, MKG would be the third best ballhandling SF (Salmons, TWill) on our team, let alone the league. He'd also be maybe the 2nd (TWill) or 3rd (TWill, Greene) or even 4th best athlete (TWill, Green, Outlaw) out of our SF crew. Its not a question of him not having NBA level athelticsm or ballhandling, its a question of him not having IMPACT level athleticism or ballhandling at this level. He's got a little of everything, its all part of a rounded game (except range on the shot at this stage, which hurts roleplayerness), but he doesn't do anything except defend at an elite impact level. He's never going to run your offense like Pippen, or play over everybody's head like Wallace, or overpower NBA guys to the hoop like Bron, or just shoot over their head like Durant. He can do a little of all of that, in the right matchup or situation, but that's not how you describe a star.

 

[Dime Dropper]

If we brought back all our SFs from last year, MKG would be the third best ballhandling SF (Salmons, TWill) on our team, let alone the league. He'd also be maybe the 2nd (TWill) or 3rd (TWill, Greene) or even 4th best athlete (TWill, Green, Outlaw) out of our SF crew. Its not a question of him not having NBA level athelticsm or ballhandling, its a question of him not having IMPACT level athleticism or ballhandling at this level. He's got a little of everything, its all part of a rounded game (except range on the shot at this stage, which hurts roleplayerness), but he doesn't do anything excepot defend at an alite impact level. He's never going to run your offense like Pippen, or play over everybody's head like Wallace, or overpower NBA guys to the hoop like Bron, or just shoot over their head like Durant. He can doa little of all of that, in the right matchup or situation, but that's not how you describe a star.

Agreed, I'm not arguing that he will be a star at all. Also, so much of basketball has to do with mental strength and attitude. This is what will make MKG one of the best role players in the NBA.

 

[The_Jamal]

Agreed, I'm not arguing that he will be a star at all. Also, so much of basketball has to do with mental strength and attitude. This is what will make MKG one of the best role players in the NBA.

I'd bet on MKG being a bigger impact player than anyone on our team outside of Cousins.