MT + 5th pick for Chris Bosh

[baller13]

If miami loses game 6 its time to break up the big 3. Thornton would provide them with scoring off the bench and the 5th pick could be drummond who miami desperatley needs to protect the rim.

Chris bosh is a stud. Hes an all star and hes what this team needs. I dont know if it could happen but if i was petrie i would make this call.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Surely Bosh has no trade clause or such in his contract and would not be thrilled to live in Sac or go to a Kings team in such disaray.

 

[ParniValjak]

How do you possibly see Bosh-Cousins pairing working?!

I don't and when push comes to shove, I back Cousins as my guy all day every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[baller13]

How do you possibly see Bosh-Cousins pairing working?!

I don't and when push comes to shove, I back Cousins as my guy all day every day and twice on Sunday.

Why wouldnt it work? Bosh is mobile enough to guard any 4 in the league. both are very good jump shooters and both are not bad on the block. I dont see how it wouldnt work?

 

[baller13]

Surely Bosh has no trade clause or such in his contract and would not be thrilled to live in Sac or go to a Kings team in such disaray.

actually no trade clause are pretty rare in the nba so i doubt he has one. Also people on espn have talked about breaking them up if they dont win it all so that would lead me to believe that none of them have no trade clauses. And if he was here he would be under contract so it doesnt really matter how he felt about it. Chris webber wasnt happy when we traded for him either but that worked out ok.

 

[gatoradeSD]

I dont like bosh and cousins together either. especially after getting rid of thornton. no shooters

 

[rainmaker]

Uh, what part of "defensive compliment to Cuz" and "rim protector" is Bosh supposed to help us with, while burning two of our most valuable assets?

A soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive PF is exactly the opposite of what we need next to Cuz. Well, if the defensive minded, tough, rebounding PF can hit an open jumper, that's the only thing they'd have in common.

 

[Bricklayer]

Why wouldnt it work? Bosh is mobile enough to guard any 4 in the league. both are very good jump shooters and both are not bad on the block. I dont see how it wouldnt work?

not enough shots to go around and two big scorers together causse spacing issues for each other -- saved a little in this only by Bosh's weenieness. Name me the 20/20 scorering frontcourt you can remember. Its just lie the 20/20 scoring backcourt. They don't exsit. There are only a certian number of shots/opportunities/space you get out of each area of the floor. You basically get 1 big scoring big, 1 big scoring guard and 1 big scoring SF. Pile on more na dit gets in the way of the guys you already have. And now, you can't even point to Admiral/Duncan, as Duncan's emergence immediately caused Admiral to go into retreat and become a 15ppg type scorer. The difference was he was a 15ppg scorer who could really defend the rim, so he could be amajor contribtor even if he wasn't scoring 20ppg anymore.

The Heat need to dump Bosh on Houston in excahnge for Scoal and Dalembert. If they can get Lowry out of it too then they will have pulled off a coup.

 

[baller13]

Uh, what part of "defensive compliment to Cuz" and "rim protector" is Bosh supposed to help us with, while burning two of our most valuable assets?

A soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive PF is exactly the opposite of what we need next to Cuz. Well, if the defensive minded, tough, rebounding PF can hit an open jumper, that's the only thing they'd have in common.

How has miami looked without that soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive pf? yeah might want to think about that.
So we are turning down an all star player who is better than anybody we are gonna pick with the 5th pick and marcus thornton. I repeat, marcus thornton?

 

[VF21]

How has miami looked without that soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive pf? yeah might want to think about that.
So we are turning down an all star player who is better than anybody we are gonna pick with the 5th pick and marcus thornton. I repeat, marcus thornton?

I think you place way too much value on Bosh. I don't want him, either.

 

[Bricklayer]

How has miami looked without that soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive pf? yeah might want to think about that.
So we are turning down an all star player who is better than anybody we are gonna pick with the 5th pick and marcus thornton. I repeat, marcus thornton?

There is more to putting together a basketball team than just saying "ooh! he's good! let's get him" young one.

BTW, Marcus Thornton(?)outscored Chris Bosh last year. In fact after arriving in Sacto he outscored him the year before too. And that said, you aren't suggesting trading Thornoton for him straight up. You are suggesting trading Thornton and the #5 pick in the draft for him.

 

[rainmaker]

How has miami looked without that soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive pf? yeah might want to think about that.
So we are turning down an all star player who is better than anybody we are gonna pick with the 5th pick and marcus thornton. I repeat, marcus thornton?

They look the way they do because they have two of the top two-way players in the last decade, if not longer. Defensively, Wade/Lebron are the closest lockdown wing defenders we've seen since MJ/Pippen. They are also two of the most gifted offensive players in the last decade, and one is the most talented player on the planet. Has nothing to do with Bosh.
Bosh just provides spacing and the ability to hit a jumper which helps in that the defense can't as easily pack the paint against Wade/Lebron.

 

[baller13]

There is more to putting together a basketball team than just saying "ooh! he's good! let's get him" young one.

BTW, Marcus Thornton(?)outscored Chris Bosh last year. In fact after arriving in Sacto he outscored him the year before too. And that said, you aren't suggesting trading Thornoton for him straight up. You are suggesting trading Thornton and the #5 pick in the draft for him.

first of all, young one? Are you serious? Im 30 years old, buddy. Yeah i said lets try and get an all star veteran player. yeah what do i know. MT outscored chris bosh, wow. Their is more to basketball than stats genius. Bosh is the 3rd best player on his team. Mt leads our team in shot attempts. Seriously? I would hope thorton could outscore him under those circumstances. Bosh's last year in toronto he averaged 24 pts and 10.8 rebounds and toronto had 40 wins with basically just him. Marcus thornton will never start for a championship contending team. He is at best a scoring 6th man. and the 5th pick, look i would love to get thomas robinson or harrison barnes but do we really need another young guy? Bosh is a veteran all star player.

 

[baller13]

thats all he provides huh... garnett is killing miami right now with haslem or anthony guarding him. That didnt happen last year when bosh was there. Im not saying bosh is an elite defender but he is much better than he gets credit for

 

[rainmaker]

first of all, young one? Are you serious? Im 30 years old, buddy. Yeah i said lets try and get an all star veteran player. yeah what do i know. MT outscored chris bosh, wow. Their is more to basketball than stats genius. Bosh is the 3rd best player on his team. Mt leads our team in shot attempts. Seriously? I would hope thorton could outscore him under those circumstances. Bosh's last year in toronto he averaged 24 pts and 10.8 rebounds and toronto had 40 wins with basically just him. Marcus thornton will never start for a championship contending team. He is at best a scoring 6th man. and the 5th pick, look i would love to get thomas robinson or harrison barnes but do we really need another young guy? Bosh is a veteran all star player.

Weird. You seem to be saying we need Bosh because of his stats, which made him an AS, and completely ignoring our team needs, which is a tough, defensive minded PF who isn't a shot muncher, to pair with Cuz. We don't need 24/10 next to Cuz. We need 10 rebs, 2 blocks, 2-3 more altered shots, good screener, and a guy who won't get in the way on offense. We need Drummond with a fire lit under his ***. We need Daly. We need Ibaka. We need DA Jordan. We need Varajeo. We need Chandler. If not that type, than if anyone from Miami's frontline were to come, Haslem would fit the bill, not Bosh. Physical, nasty, good rebounder, very good defender, good screener, smart player and can hit the 15 footer.

Not to jump into your dialogue with Brick, but a handful here have for months been saying exactly what we don't need next to Cuz is a guy carrying or expecting larger offensive stats. You can throw stats out the window and look at fit. We don't need another star. We need a defensive role player, and Brick has been one of the most vocal about just that.

BTW, welcome.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Are. You. Serious?

 

[baller13]

Weird. You seem to be saying we need Bosh because of his stats, which made him an AS, and completely ignoring our team needs, which is a tough, defensive minded PF who isn't a shot muncher, to pair with Cuz. We don't need 24/10 next to Cuz. We need 10 rebs, 2 blocks, 2-3 more altered shots, good screener, and a guy who won't get in the way on offense. We need Drummond with a fire lit under his ***. We need Daly. We need Ibaka. We need DA Jordan. We need Varajeo. We need Chandler. If not that type, than if anyone from Miami's frontline were to come, Haslem would fit the bill, not Bosh. Physical, nasty, good rebounder, good screener, smart player and can hit the 15 footer.

Not to jump into your dialogue with Brick, but a handful here have for months been saying exactly what we don't need next to Cuz is a guy carrying or expecting larger offensive stats. You can throw stats out the window and look at fit. We don't need another star. We need a defensive role player, and Brick has been one of the most vocal about just that.

BTW, welcome.

Not just because of his stats, he is also a veteran that knows how to win and is better defensively than he gets credit for. You say we dont need another star??? We won 22 games this year. Right now we dont have any stars!!!! yes Cousins and Evans have potential. But right now they are not stars and there is no guarantee they ever will be. Cousins put up 18 and 11 this year and that looks pretty good, but he shot 45% which is terrible for a center. I hope he can put it together and become the player we all want him to be, same with tyreke. But that in no way means we shouldnt try to aquire a star player. Even if Cousins and Tyreke do reach their potential, the championship defending teams have BIG 3. MT is not that player. Is thomas robinson? Maybe? Is Harrison Barnes? Maybe? Their is no maybe with Chris Bosh, He Is.

 

[rainmaker]

Not just because of his stats, he is also a veteran that knows how to win and is better defensively than he gets credit for. You say we dont need another star??? We won 22 games this year. Right now we dont have any stars!!!! yes Cousins and Evans have potential. But right now they are not stars and there is no guarantee they ever will be. Cousins put up 18 and 11 this year and that looks pretty good, but he shot 45% which is terrible for a center. I hope he can put it together and become the player we all want him to be, same with tyreke. But that in no way means we shouldnt try to aquire a star player. Even if Cousins and Tyreke do reach their potential, the championship defending teams have BIG 3. MT is not that player. Is thomas robinson? Maybe? Is Harrison Barnes? Maybe? Their is no maybe with Chris Bosh, He Is.

Um, Cuz is already a top 5 center, could very well be an All Star and 2nd best center in the league behind D12 by next year. There is no reason to bring in a player right next to him who gets in his way and steps on his toes. You bring in a player who excels at what Cuz doesn't. Block shots. Protect the rim. Hit the glass. Good help defender. Does the dirty work. Not take shots from him while not helping one iota on defense.

Again, you're ignoring fit. You're ignoring defense. You're just trying to stack a bunch of offensive guys on top of one another and hoping it works, while ignoring the other end. We didn't lose games because of offense, we lost because of defense. Getting Bosh does nothing to help that. I'd go into it more, but we've had this conversation here over, and over and over again.

 

[Tetsujin]

This may quite literally be the worst idea of all time.

 

[Tetsujin]

How has miami looked without that soft, jumpshooting, poor rebounding, non-defensive pf? yeah might want to think about that.
So we are turning down an all star player who is better than anybody we are gonna pick with the 5th pick and marcus thornton. I repeat, marcus thornton?

How did Miami look with him tonight?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Bosh cried afternlosing a game publicly. Hes one of those fake tough guys. We need a real enforcer next to cuz. Not some punk female dog

 

[Spike]

first of all, young one? Are you serious? Im 30 years old, buddy.

Couldn't resist.

Seriously though, I think a resigned JT will help this team more than Bosh will. I'm not talking homerisms here, I'm talking about fit. We need to start bringing in the right players to fit around Evans and Cousins, and I don't think Bosh fits next to Cousins. We seriously need Whiteside to develop.

 

[lwc]

couldn't resist.

hahahahahahaha lol

 

[Uncia03]

If not that type, than if anyone from Miami's frontline were to come, Haslem would fit the bill, not Bosh. Physical, nasty, good rebounder, very good defender, good screener, smart player and can hit the 15 footer.

Agreed.
If we had to take one of Miami's bigs, with how our roster is currently assembled, Haslem would be by far the best choice.

 

[bajaden]

Bosh cried afternlosing a game publicly. Hes one of those fake tough guys. We need a real enforcer next to cuz. Not some punk female dog

I believe the proper word is *****.... As long as were refering to dogs.

 

[Telemachus]

Why wouldnt it work? Bosh is mobile enough to guard any 4 in the league. both are very good jump shooters and both are not bad on the block. I dont see how it wouldnt work?

While bosh is mobile enough to guard 4s, he is NOT a very good defensive player. Having both a 4 & a 5 who aren't great defensive players would lead to another season of poor interior defense.

 

[mr. moustache]

Bosh cried afternlosing a game publicly. Hes one of those fake tough guys. We need a real enforcer next to cuz. Not some punk female dog

I don't want the guy on the Kings, but I don't see how a man crying makes him a *****.

 

[baller13]

Bosh cried afternlosing a game publicly. Hes one of those fake tough guys. We need a real enforcer next to cuz. Not some punk female dog

To me that just shows that he cares. Would you rather him cry or act like it didnt bother him???
It completley blows my mind that fans of a team that only won 22 games would not want to add a guy who is easily a top 5 PF in the Nba. I guess the kings are so stacked we dont need to add all star players. What was i thinking

 

[Spike]

If you saw how we lost the games, it wasn't really for a lack of putting up points. It was everything else. Bosh doesn't
help in the "everything else". This team needs solid defenders and a coach that understands the simple concept that defense wins.

 

[mac]

To me that just shows that he cares. Would you rather him cry or act like it didnt bother him???
It completley blows my mind that fans of a team that only won 22 games would not want to add a guy who is easily a top 5 PF in the Nba. I guess the kings are so stacked we dont need to add all star players. What was i thinking

Good to know you finally see the error in your ways. It's this thing called opportunity cost that you fail to grasp. Getting Bosh in itself is not a problem, and of course bringing an all star to the team will only help. The thing is - Bosh's main contributions are on the offensive end. What the hell do we need that for when we were already one of the top scoring teams in terms of PPG? All it'll do is take away shots from our soon to be all star center as well as from Tyreke or Isaiah or whoever. We don't need more points.

Yes, he adds some decent defense and rebounding. But we can get that at a much cheaper price through the draft or some other trade that gets us someone who is better on the defensive end. You give up Thornton and your pick for Bosh and you essentially have neither a shotblocker nor a solution to our gaping SF hole. You add some talent on the offensive end, which we don't really need, and a small amount on the defensive end that isn't exactly spectacular. Not a smart trade.