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was it worth signing beno?

  • NOT!!

    Votes: 41 46.6%

  • YES!!

    Votes: 9 10.2%

  • i wish we wouldve signed him to 2 or 3 years with half the pay and not 6

    Votes: 38 43.2%
  • Total voters
    88
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i just wanted to start a poll on beno and see how many people are upset with his contract. ive seen opinions here and there. just sporadic, nothing consistant. i think his play has been terrible. bad coach or not a good point guard is noticeable. and i feel that he's not worth the money. signing him for 6 years was a huge mistake
 
Didn't we sign him for 5 years not 6?

Anyway, if he continues to play like he is, then no it wasn't worth the money or the years. However, something is up, because last year he played a lot better, which means he's capable.

Also his contract is small enough to be added into a package deal somewhere at some time, so I'm not to worried about it. He will nto be a Kenny Thomas albatross contract that saddles us until the what is looking like the very end.
 
No Way

How can anyone justify signing him to that horrible contract? He is a back up point gaurd at best...The only reason he is here is because no one else wanted him..He is decent in spurts which like i said would be ok for a back up...But a starter? NO WAY
 
Two critical positions ALWAYS in high demand in NBA - Center and Point Guard. Off guards, combo guards, swingmen are dime a dozen but not decent NBA level PG or C. Beno Udrih is still marketable with his so-called "awful contract" and remains sole TRUE PG on Kings roster. He could arguably be okay at his contract level as a backup on several other NBA rosters if not Kings down the line depending on whatever TRUE point guards get added to a roster that has coming in for Beno - Bobby Brown and Bobby Jackson. Lately, it seems Francisco Garcia is back in the mix at PG as well.
 
I voted for not as long of a deal and if we could have gotten away with less then that would have been great too.

We did need a starting PG but heck.....does he even play PG?


About the contract....Beno was a 5 year deal at the MLE with the last year is his option....or so hoopshype.com says.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
 
Yes it was 5 yr MLE. The Clippers were on the verge of signing Beno Udrih for same deal he got here but because he was a restricted FA the Kings matched it to retain his services.

Beno is a true PG, always has been, from years of playing pro B-ball in European leagues. In San Antonio he was PG back up to Tony Parker - another true PG. You can argue that he's not all that great compared to a Deron Williams/Chris Paul (obviously) but he's clearly an NBA level PG of some level of talent in that demanding position.

When the Kings picked him up off waiver wire from Minnesota they were TOTALLY DESPERATE for a PG - almost any PG of quasi-NBA level skill. The amazing Orien Green just wasn't cutting it here.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Yes it was 5 yr MLE. The Clippers were on the verge of signing Beno Udrih for same deal he got here but because he was a restricted FA the Kings matched it to retain his services.
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Beno was not a restricted FA last summer. According to Amick, the Clippers and Kings did offer identical contracts (maximum MLE) but Beno is with the Kings by choice not by CBA rule.
 
I don't want to sound like a Beno apologist, but he's been playing without Kevin Martin in the back court for most of this season which has put him at even greater disadvantage out there. How many times have we seen Beno move into the set, passing to John Salmons at SG and never get the ball back to keep a decent offensive flow. At least if he gave it up to Brad Miller to start off there is movement. I have a feeling that with Kevin now back Beno will be "back" too. Also, I think he's has gotten a bad rap about being "injury prone." Look at the number of games missed by Kevin Martin last season and again this season and tell me which of those two is more injury prone. As far as the poll, I think it's confused. The Kings needed a PG desperately when they picked Beno up and needed to resign him or lose out to the Clippers. GP was caught between a rock and a hard place since there were no other great or even good PG options to turn to at the time.
 
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The fact that Clippers wanted him should have given Kings management pause. Red Alert - Clipps want Beno! Beno was another desperate move (like trading for Artest) for a desperate franchise.
 
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nbrans said:
If Luke Ridnour is a) worth the MLE and b) tradeable, then so is Beno.
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And I don't think he was signed as the PG of the future, but just for the now. Was it a bit desperate? Probably, but when Douby is your other option (at the time) it could lead to some desperation. ;)
 
kennadog said:
And I don't think he was signed as the PG of the future, but just for the now. Was it a bit desperate? Probably, but when Douby is your other option (at the time) it could lead to some desperation. ;)
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Yup. There needs to be an option that states:

"Yes - Who else would run the point?"

We need a PG, and while I don't care if you label me as an apologist, I wonder how much of the change has to do with Natt's style of play. The numbers from this year to last WERE somewhat similar until very recently.

As for his price, it's fair market value - that speaks more to the state of the NBA than it does for him.
 
The only problem I have with Beno's contract is the length. 5 years?? Seriously?? I guarantee that there's probably a few "players options" in there too, which have completely ****ed us in the past.
 
Didn't want to sign him then and nothing has changed my mind. It's not that Beno isn't a capable PG, he's probably average to slightly above average in his position, but we need another MLE signing like Robert Swift needs another tatoo. There were a number of PGs we could had for much less money. And I'd argued that we could sub Beno for Tyronne Lue or Anthony Johnson or Chris Duhon and we still win about the same amount of games.

I'm sure Beno will bounce back at some point, but he isn't worth the MLE... to us. To another team, maybe. It's going to be tough to trade him, because the going rate for a middle of the road PG are other scrubs. Like Ridnour for Joe Smith and Desmond Mason.
 
HighFlyingMonkey said:
The only problem I have with Beno's contract is the length. 5 years?? Seriously?? I guarantee that there's probably a few "players options" in there too, which have completely ****ed us in the past.
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I don't like the contract. However, it was all or nothing, the notion that we should have signed him for 3 isn't realistic. The Clippers at the very least offered him 5 at the same money. There was no way he was accepting a 15 mil deal from us over a 25 mil deal from LA. We didn't outbid ourselves at least.
 
beb0p said:
Didn't want to sign him then and nothing has changed my mind. It's not that Beno isn't a capable PG, he's probably average to slightly above average in his position, but we need another MLE signing like Robert Swift needs another tatoo. There were a number of PGs we could had for much less money. And I'd argued that we could sub Beno for Tyronne Lue or Anthony Johnson or Chris Duhon and we still win about the same amount of games.

I'm sure Beno will bounce back at some point, but he isn't worth the MLE... to us. To another team, maybe. It's going to be tough to trade him, because the going rate for a middle of the road PG are other scrubs. Like Ridnour for Joe Smith and Desmond Mason.
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Beno probably is worth the MLE, just not to us. Considering all of the rebuilding pieces we have, I would have prefered to save the money and have a veteran PG run the offense and help the young uns. Beno could be a good backup option, but I'd prefer the cap flexibility at this point.
 
i would gladly take ridnour over beno.... the sad part is that the bucks wouldnt do it... maybe beno and houstons pick for ridnour... that would be heavenly.... cuts 3 years off of the contract for the exact same production.
 
Arby's Roast Beef said:
Ridnour is a pure playmaker who has shown the capacity to average 7 assists per game, and makes smart decisions on the court (attested by his small tpg). Uh...Beno?
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A. 10.5 ppg, 42% FG, 30% 3P, 5.3 assists, 3.4 RB, 2.2 TOs, 30.6 MPG
B. 10.9 ppg, 46% FG, 26% 3P, 4.6 assists, 2.8 RB, 2.5 TOs, 29.7 MPG


A = Ridnour
B = Beno

And don't forget, Ridnour played with Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen the year he had 7 assists, two of the best catch-and-shoot guys in the league. His assist numbers were inflated.

A. 10.9 ppg, 46% FG, 26% 3P, 4.6 assists, 2.8 RB, 2.5 TOs, 29.7 MPG
B. 12.8 ppg, 46% FG, 39% 3P, 4.3 assists, 3.3 RB, 2.3 TOs, 32 MPG

A = Beno this year
B = Beno last year

And this is after Beno's had a pretty big slump the last few weeks. He's basically the same guy, warts and all, he was last year.

Beno's worth his contract. He's not a long term solution as a starting point for a very good team, but he's a decent point guard and is paid like one.
 
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Of course "i wish we wouldve signed him to 2 or 3 years with half the pay and not 6", but duh. Why is that even an option? I choose that I prefer the Kings signed LBJ to a 5 year MLE. It will not or would not have happened PERIOD, having that option completely nullifies your poll.

I chose Yes because a pipe dream option is not an option for me. And I would rather the Kings have him on this contract than not at all. If you want a poll that will tell you something, this is not it. Of course 21 ppl will pick that they wanted him for less. Who wouldn't?
 
Spike said:
Yup. There needs to be an option that states:

"Yes - Who else would run the point?"

We need a PG, and while I don't care if you label me as an apologist, I wonder how much of the change has to do with Natt's style of play. The numbers from this year to last WERE somewhat similar until very recently.

As for his price, it's fair market value - that speaks more to the state of the NBA than it does for him.
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Chris Duhon is averaging 12 points and 8 assists and signed a significantly less expensive contract. The system they run in New York is conducive to piling up assists, so there's no guarantee he'd be close to those numbers here, but the Kings clearly overpaid for Beno.
 
Kingzrool said:
Of course "i wish we wouldve signed him to 2 or 3 years with half the pay and not 6", but duh. Why is that even an option? I choose that I prefer the Kings signed LBJ to a 5 year MLE. It will not or would not have happened PERIOD, having that option completely nullifies your poll.

I chose Yes because a pipe dream option is not an option for me. And I would rather the Kings have him on this contract than not at all. If you want a poll that will tell you something, this is not it. Of course 21 ppl will pick that they wanted him for less. Who wouldn't?
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lol, x2 on the horrible poll option.
 
NewMonkey said:
Chris Duhon is averaging 12 points and 8 assists and signed a significantly less expensive contract. The system they run in New York is conducive to piling up assists, so there's no guarantee he'd be close to those numbers here, but the Kings clearly overpaid for Beno.
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You can't look at a NY player to assess his value elsewhere. I am pretty certain Beno could average similar in a Seven Seconds or Less offence.
 
Honestly I'm kind of undecided with Beno. There's times that Beno has been playing well this season but the knock on him is inconsistency. One game he looks like a poorman's steve nash passing and hitting jumpshots then next game he's the worst NBA starting PG. So I don't know whats going on but If I had to guess I would just say that Beno is just a mediocre PG that maybe if you put some superstars on the roster he will flourish enough to fill the starting role ala Derick Fisher or Jason Williams type of role back when he won a championship with Miami.
 
Spike said:
Yup. There needs to be an option that states:

"Yes - Who else would run the point?"

We need a PG, and while I don't care if you label me as an apologist, I wonder how much of the change has to do with Natt's style of play. The numbers from this year to last WERE somewhat similar until very recently.

As for his price, it's fair market value - that speaks more to the state of the NBA than it does for him.
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Very much agreed.
 
when does hinrich get back to playing ball? beno would be a good back up for rose...
 
AriesMar27 said:
when does hinrich get back to playing ball? beno would be a good back up for rose...
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What does that mean? Trade Beno Udrih for Kurt Hinrich? First it can't possibly happen since the Bulls back-up PG makes $10 million a season - significantly more than Udrih. Hinrich is only in second year of his huge 5 yr deal. He just had pin removed from that injured thumb with no date certain for return - earliest mid February it seems. Beno, a year younger is better overall than Hinrich IMO or at worst roughly same talent level. The biggest complaint about Hinrich in Chicago is they found out he was not a true PG once they locked him under long term contract, looked to shoot way more than they liked and lately depressed them more with his drastically declining FG% - all opposite of what he did as a Kansas Jayhawk star.
 
I was wondering if his (Beno) play and the others guys in the roster has to do with the team tanking and trying for a top 3-5 loterry pick in this years draft in hopes of a Ricky Rubio or any other franchise PG... I can see Salmons and B52 performing well since the Kings are trying to trade them, but if everyone else performs to their maximum capacity we would be winning more games (maybe at a playoff levl) and I dont think thats the direction the owners want us to go at the moment...

actually I'm hoping thats the "problem" and I want to believe they'll play a lot better next year...
 
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