Miscellaneous Rubio stuff (merged)

If Rubio ends up working out only for the Kings, I would think that there has been some type of trade thats being worked out to secure him at #2 between the Kings & the Grizz.

GP must be pushing Rubio's camp for a workout because they want to see how he plays before committing to the trade instead of roll the dice to see if he falls.

Because if the inner circles are not being told he will go to the Kings.... seriously why would they make a second trip to the Kings and at the same time refuse to go to Memphis or OKC or any other city? :cool:
 
Vlade4GM said:
Thabeet hasn't worked out for anyone either, and there's a reason for that. Their games give them a huge disadvantage in these workouts, they can't show their true strengths in these workouts, leading a 5-on-5 offense for Rubio and rebounding/shot blocking for Thabeet. It's different for guys like Evans, Flynn, Jennings, Curry and Harden.
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If it's that huge of disadvantage, then maybe that's a red flag, don't you think?
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
If Rubio ends up working out only for the Kings, I would think that there has been some type of trade thats being worked out to secure him at #2 between the Kings & the Grizz.

GP must be pushing Rubio's camp for a workout because they want to see how he plays before committing to the trade instead of roll the dice to see if he falls.

Because if the inner circles are not being told he will go to the Kings.... seriously why would they make a second trip to the Kings and at the same time refuse to go to Memphis or OKC or any other city? :cool:
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Maybe because he doesn't like Memphis or OKC. Also, I heard he was (or is) going to OKC. They said they wouldn't entertain drafting him otherwise.
 
Kingster said:
If it's that huge of disadvantage, then maybe that's a red flag, don't you think?
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Their strengths come in 5 on 5 basketball, and going 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 in a workout isn't gonna accurately show the GMs or whoever what they can really do. So no, it's not a red flag. Basketball is a team sport, after all
 
Kingster said:
Maybe because he doesn't like Memphis or OKC. Also, I heard he was (or is) going to OKC. They said they wouldn't entertain drafting him otherwise.
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The thing is prospects don't get to choose really. As an agent, if you know the chances of the #4 team picking you is slim, you must explore the other options. I know what you mean about him not liking it as thats the supposed reason from the start. But business wise, it makes zero sense to give this much attention to the #4 team that has the least say.

Unless something else just happen, OKC reps flew to LA to interview Rubio over the weekend but he didn't fly there. And now today, Rubio is back at Sac. The only reason he left was probably just because of the 48hr rule by the NBA. So I'm just thinking GP has to have talked to #2 & #3 holders about possibilities.

It just comes down to does he think Rubio is worth giving up something extra or just good enough for #4 if he falls.
 
SacKings7 said:
Their strengths come in 5 on 5 basketball, and going 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 in a workout isn't gonna accurately show the GMs or whoever what they can really do. So no, it's not a red flag. Basketball is a team sport, after all
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It's also a sport where ultimately as a guard you have to break down your man on offense, and defend your man on defense.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
The thing is prospects don't get to choose really. As an agent, if you know the chances of the #4 team picking you is slim, you must explore the other options. I know what you mean about him not liking it as thats the supposed reason from the start. But business wise, it makes zero sense to give this much attention to the #4 team that has the least say.

Unless something else just happen, OKC reps flew to LA to interview Rubio over the weekend but he didn't fly there. And now today, Rubio is back at Sac. The only reason he left was probably just because of the 48hr rule by the NBA. So I'm just thinking GP has to have talked to #2 & #3 holders about possibilities.

It just comes down to does he think Rubio is worth giving up something extra or just good enough for #4 if he falls.
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I'm a little confused. You're saying Rubio went to OKC because Petrie is making a deal with them for Rubio? If he's making a deal for him, there's no need for him to go to OKC, right?
 
Kingster said:
It's also a sport where ultimately as a guard you have to break down your man on offense, and defend your man on defense.
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Right, you still have be able to guard your man, whether it's a center or a guard. Your team is going to lose if they have to do help-defense all the game long. 1 on 1 workouts give you an idea of they match up against their peers.
 
Kingster said:
It's also a sport where ultimately as a guard you have to break down your man on offense, and defend your man on defense.
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True, but basketball IQ won't show up in a workout where skills and athleticism are showcased. And that is Rubio's big advantage over everyone else. Not saying he isn't skilled or athletic, just basketball IQ is where he has his advantage
 
Kingster said:
I'm a little confused. You're saying Rubio went to OKC because Petrie is making a deal with them for Rubio? If he's making a deal for him, there's no need for him to go to OKC, right?
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No, you said previously that you "heard" somewhere that Rubio was going to OKC. I was correcting you in saying that he never went to OKC. OKC reps went to LA to meet him.

In any respects, Rubio is trying to get hired by prospective companies. The fact that he is not willing to even fly to OKC for an interview and waits for his potential bosses to come to him is kind of odd. I was not saying that what I’m stating is the truth. It just seems like the case to me personally that there is some form of talk of the Kings working out a deal to secure Rubio if they like him enough or Rubio’s agent would not be turning away every other suitor.
 
Kingster said:
It's also a sport where ultimately as a guard you have to break down your man on offense, and defend your man on defense.
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Actually no, there are far more aspects involved offensively and defensively than just how you square up 1-on-1. Not trying to downplay the importance for Rubio to have those skills, but there is a lot more to 5-on-5 basketball than that. So while it is important to get an idea of those skills, how he does in those matchups isn't exactly reflective of his overall ability. Players like Evans, Flynn, Curry, Jennings get to show more of their strengths and less of their weaknesses than Rubio gets to.
 
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Section 101 said:
Not really. Most teams play 1-3 isolation offense. Usually 2-3 guys standing on the side just watching. Pick and roll is basically 2 on 2.
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There can be no argument made that basketball isn't played 5 on 5. Pick and roll isn't 2 on 2, it's still 5 on 5. There is always help defense from the other guys on the team, and then usually somebody else is open. This isn't football where there can be some illegal receivers or something, there are 5 people on the court no matter what the situation
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
If Rubio ends up working out only for the Kings, I would think that there has been some type of trade thats being worked out to secure him at #2 between the Kings & the Grizz.

GP must be pushing Rubio's camp for a workout because they want to see how he plays before committing to the trade instead of roll the dice to see if he falls.

Because if the inner circles are not being told he will go to the Kings.... seriously why would they make a second trip to the Kings and at the same time refuse to go to Memphis or OKC or any other city? :cool:
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I am not sure of what kind of trade would need to take place... you would hope just the #4 and the #31 for #2 or #3...
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
No, you said previously that you "heard" somewhere that Rubio was going to OKC. I was correcting you in saying that he never went to OKC. OKC reps went to LA to meet him.

In any respects, Rubio is trying to get hired by prospective companies. The fact that he is not willing to even fly to OKC for an interview and waits for his potential bosses to come to him is kind of odd. I was not saying that what I’m stating is the truth. It just seems like the case to me personally that there is some form of talk of the Kings working out a deal to secure Rubio if they like him enough or Rubio’s agent would not be turning away every other suitor.
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Originally it was rumored that Rubio would go to OKC on the way to NY. I'm suspecting he still wanted to be able to workout for the Kings and due to his illness he couldn't do both. So OKC came to see Rubio and to get a chance to see his contract.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
If Rubio ends up working out only for the Kings, I would think that there has been some type of trade thats being worked out to secure him at #2 between the Kings & the Grizz.

GP must be pushing Rubio's camp for a workout because they want to see how he plays before committing to the trade instead of roll the dice to see if he falls.

Because if the inner circles are not being told he will go to the Kings.... seriously why would they make a second trip to the Kings and at the same time refuse to go to Memphis or OKC or any other city? :cool:
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I agree with this. Reading between the lines of ACTIONS, not WORDS...seems like something is going on between the Rubio camp and the Kings camp. What would the Rubio camp do with their time if there was some deal on the table between the Kings and Memphis? Exactly what they are doing. What would Petrie do if he has a deal in place with Memphis but wanted a workout prior to finalizing it? Exactly what he is doing. It's just too odd that Rubio isn't visiting ANYONE other than the Kings and is doing so twice. OKC is covering their bases by interviewing him but Rubio didn't want to fly out there - perhaps because he knows he will be taken at #2 when the Kings trade picks.

It should also be noted that Memphis has the #27 and #36 this year so there could be some trade involving that as well, i.e., #2/#27/#36 for #4/#23/#31. Memphis needs young talent as badly as we do and only have 8-9 guys under contract next year.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
No, you said previously that you "heard" somewhere that Rubio was going to OKC. I was correcting you in saying that he never went to OKC. OKC reps went to LA to meet him.

In any respects, Rubio is trying to get hired by prospective companies. The fact that he is not willing to even fly to OKC for an interview and waits for his potential bosses to come to him is kind of odd. I was not saying that what I’m stating is the truth. It just seems like the case to me personally that there is some form of talk of the Kings working out a deal to secure Rubio if they like him enough or Rubio’s agent would not be turning away every other suitor.
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Ahh. I just don't know if it means that we've worked out a deal with OKC (Why would OKC reps go to LA to meet him if they want to trade the rights for him?), or Rubio has basically given the cold shoulder to everybody except for the Kings. The only thing that I repeatedly come away with is the fact that the universe of teams that Rubio has met with is very small, and the probability of him getting traded to a team that hasn't actually met with him is low (my assumption), so that's to the benefit of the Kings, if they do want him. How many teams have 1) met with Rubio, 2) interested in trading up for him, and 3) have the ammo to do so?
 
Kingster said:
Ahh. I just don't know if it means that we've worked out a deal with OKC (Why would OKC reps go to LA to meet him if they want to trade the rights for him?), or Rubio has basically given the cold shoulder to everybody except for the Kings. The only thing that I repeatedly come away with is the fact that the universe of teams that Rubio has met with is very small, and the probability of him getting traded to a team that hasn't actually met with him is low (my assumption), so that's to the benefit of the Kings, if they do want him. How many teams have 1) met with Rubio, 2) interested in trading up for him, and 3) have the ammo to do so?
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As I mentioned, I'm not saying that they do in fact have a deal. Its just me thinking there should some form of agreement or else, Rubio's agent is not doing his due diligence. The only teams that has met Rubio are Kings & OKC. And Rubio only visited Sacramento. He is in LA but he is not really meeting with the Clippers since they are picking Blake for sure or so they say. They said he is staying in LA so he is close to Sac. The Kings is the only team thats getting a workout as of today and they are the only team getting a visit, let alone a second visit.

So if there is no form of understanding between the agent and the Kings, it is very very odd that they have this unique love affair for a team that has the least say out of the mentioned teams.
 
NoBonus said:
I am not sure of what kind of trade would need to take place... you would hope just the #4 and the #31 for #2 or #3...
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The worst case senario would be trade two picks to move up one place to the #3, and then have the #2 team pick your man. If the Kings move up, it will be to the #2 spot. But, just because Rubio is working out here, doesnt' mean that GP will pick him over Evans or Flynn.

In fact, I believe it will come down to Rubio or Evans. And, if GP sees equal value in both, he won't move up, and will have a tough decision to make between the 2 of them when the Kings are on the clock.
 
SacKings7 said:
Their strengths come in 5 on 5 basketball, and going 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 in a workout isn't gonna accurately show the GMs or whoever what they can really do. So no, it's not a red flag. Basketball is a team sport, after all
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Case in point the Devin Harris video of him getting owned by a British street baller.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
As I mentioned, I'm not saying that they do in fact have a deal. Its just me thinking there should some form of agreement or else, Rubio's agent is not doing his due diligence. The only teams that has met Rubio are Kings & OKC. And Rubio only visited Sacramento. He is in LA but he is not really meeting with the Clippers since they are picking Blake for sure or so they say. They said he is staying in LA so he is close to Sac. The Kings is the only team thats getting a workout as of today and they are the only team getting a visit, let alone a second visit.

So if there is no form of understanding between the agent and the Kings, it is very very odd that they have this unique love affair for a team that has the least say out of the mentioned teams.
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Totally agree. I think we're on the same wavelength....If the Kings do want Rubio, then all of what you and I have said really increases the probability of them getting him
 
As for trades I wouldn't even mind if they threw in Thompson at this point. Maybe a Gasol and Rubio for Thompson and the #4. I could see that happening. Then maybe moving Hawes to the 4. I know the Defense would suffer, but there is the #23 pick where we could take a chance on a defensive big like Taj Gibson or someone of that caliber. And with the 31 go with a Jeff Pendergraph. Although Pendergraph isn't known for steller D he does play with energy, and he isn't a bad defender or anything.

We could even use the 23 and some cash and perhaps trade up to grab Mullens, then with the 31st maybe take Gibson or Pendergraph..

Lots of possibilities to grab a couple of bigs later in the draft.

There is Robert Dozier as well who we can take a look at. He plays some pretty good D although he is a bit thin.
 
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HighTopKicks said:
The worst case senario would be trade two picks to move up one place to the #3, and then have the #2 team pick your man. If the Kings move up, it will be to the #2 spot. But, just because Rubio is working out here, doesnt' mean that GP will pick him over Evans or Flynn.
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Draft day trades don't work that way. Teams never trade for a slot, they trade for a player. If the Kings were going to try to trade for #3 to get Rubio (for example) they'd wait until after Memphis made their pick and he was still on the board. A lot of draft trades happen because a team has the guy they are targeting snagged by the team just above them and then they don't feel anyone worth the pick is available and deal it. But nobody trades up to a particular position without knowing who will be there and who won't.

As a side note, I think all of the news with Evans and the Kings is a smokescreen. I just don't see him as a good fit with the Kings at all. Maybe they know he's the guy Memphis likes most and are threatening to take him to force the Grizzlies to deal with them (or just draft Evans outright) or lose out on him. Otherwise I don't understand it. It's hard to have a backcourt devoid of playmakers.
 
as per Sam Amicks twitter, looks like there will be video of the Rubio workout after all? Don't know how smart that would be to show other teams, but then again, I never know what the hell Petrie is thinking.
 
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