Miscellaneous Rubio stuff (merged)

Gary said:
Sacramento NEEDS Rubio. Notice I didn't say "The Kings need Rubio"? Reason is that if we don't get Rubio a lot of seats will remain empty and that might cause the Kings to move.. So yes, Sacramento NEEDS rubio.
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I think this is putting a lot of faith in a player that most Kings' fans have never seen play. I don't think drafting Rubio is a sure way to fill seats at Arco. That will only happen if he brings exitement and winning ways to the Kings. I don't think that is going to happen simply by getting Rubio.
 
Telemachus said:
I think this is putting a lot of faith in a player that most Kings' fans have never seen play. I don't think drafting Rubio is a sure way to fill seats at Arco. That will only happen if he brings exitement and winning ways to the Kings. I don't think that is going to happen simply by getting Rubio.
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...Ya, like our other 10 prospects have made the front page newspaper and headlined local news... :cool:
 
Telemachus said:
I think this is putting a lot of faith in a player that most Kings' fans have never seen play. I don't think drafting Rubio is a sure way to fill seats at Arco. That will only happen if he brings exitement and winning ways to the Kings. I don't think that is going to happen simply by getting Rubio.
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Like I said.. People that don't follow the Kings on a regular basis since they started sucking are talking about this kid, and wanting to see them. Every teenage girl will want to go out and see the "cute" mop topped kid from Spain light it up with some fantastic passes. None of the other players that could be available to us will even come close to bringing the type of attention we would get with Rubio unless that other player came in and started winning again.
 
Telemachus said:
I think this is putting a lot of faith in a player that most Kings' fans have never seen play. I don't think drafting Rubio is a sure way to fill seats at Arco. That will only happen if he brings exitement and winning ways to the Kings. I don't think that is going to happen simply by getting Rubio.
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of course drafting rubio isn't a "sure way to fill seats at arco." nothing is for sure in the nba. nearly all rookies struggle. you rarely have the opportunity to draft sure things. so you draft based on the potential for great things, instead. people forget that geoff petrie is the gm who drafted jason williams, a kid nobody had heard of before draft day, but one who electrified the fanbase. chris webber was the superstar of that team, but #55 was a top 5 selling jersey in '98-'99...

the jason williams-led sacramento kings weren't huge winners in the beginning, either. the kings were 27-23 in the '98-'99 lockout-shortened season. they were 44-38 the following season. it certainly helped that the team was also composed of chris webber, vlade divac, and peja stojakovic, and i'm not convinced yet that the kings still under contract in '09 can even sniff the greatness that team eventually achieved, but i'm not exactly put off by:

PG Ricky Rubio
SG Kevin Martin
SF Andres Nocioni
PF Jason Thompson
C Spencer Hawes

and i don't think a lot of other fans would be put off by the line-up, either. i think ricky rubio is a better leader, has a higher basketball iq, and is a steadier head than jason williams, and he has all the flare, to boot. the major difference between the two is that rubio is an extremely hyped player, while jason williams was a completely unknown commodity. geoff petrie is generally more likely to draft the unknown commodity over the product of the hype machine, but geoff petrie also hasn't had the opportunity to draft this high with the kings...

you wanna put asses in the seats, gp, maloofs, and co.? find a way to draft rubio and let those young guys run. if rubio turns out to be all-excitement all-the-time but lacks the steady demeanor to play in the 4th quarter of important games, a la j-will, then ya find a more steady solution down the road, a la mike bibby. but you have to give this young team a chance to feel like they're playing for something, otherwise the majority of them won't ever amount to anything. i think ricky rubio's electric fast-break talents are well-suited to the task of motivating the team to learn how to play together. and we all know that's the best way to get sacramento kings fans back into arco arena again...
 
Telemachus said:
I think this is putting a lot of faith in a player that most Kings' fans have never seen play. I don't think drafting Rubio is a sure way to fill seats at Arco. That will only happen if he brings exitement and winning ways to the Kings. I don't think that is going to happen simply by getting Rubio.
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I have to disagree. If you bring in any hyped young player, it will breathe attention/excitement/enthusiasm into a fanbase.

The international/national attention alone would bring a new feeling into this franchise that we haven't had for 5-6 years.

Now, if Rubio was a bust or sat behind Beno for too long, that could kill it.

But drafting a hyped player is bound to fill some seats right away. The drafting of that sort of player brings hope that this team is going somewhere.
 
VF21 said:
They didn't land on the ground, though. Most of them only jumped as far as the ledge a couple of feet down ... they were stunned and silent for a bit, but they're back.


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:D They would be a lot safer if they were on the ground!
 
Gary said:
My teenage niece thinks he's cute lol.

Look at it this way... I said this a long time ago, but the kid is going to put butts into the seats. He's got a bunch of fair weather fans on his side, and this is basically the boost that the Maloofs need.
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Yeah, I can just see teeny-bobber mania if we pick Rubio. All the parents of teeny-bobbers - be very afraid. If we get him, your daughters will be incorrigible. They will hound you until you to get tickets so they can watch with dreamy eyes the spanish hottie...
 
Kingster said:
Yeah, I can just see teeny-bobber mania if we pick Rubio. All the parents of teeny-bobbers - be very afraid. If we get him, your daughters will be incorrigible. They will hound you until you to get tickets so they can watch with dreamy eyes the spanish hottie...
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Rubio and Martin = dreamy backcourt :p
 
You know what worries me the most? The flowery prose of Ailene Voisin would know no limits. I'm still remembering the way she waxed poetic about Peja and his rippling muscles...her crush on Rubio could end up being x-rated!!!

:p
 
VF21 said:
You know what worries me the most? The flowery prose of Ailene Voisin would know no limits. I'm still remembering the way she waxed poetic about Peja and his rippling muscles...her crush on Rubio could end up being x-rated!!!

:p
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Lol, is it too early to say you win the thread :D
 
If we draft Rubio, I'm pretty sure he's going to see a lot of minutes. Is he ready to actually START? Maybe not out of the gate. Let him at least get his feet wet in the NBA.
 
Gary said:
Like I said.. People that don't follow the Kings on a regular basis since they started sucking are talking about this kid, and wanting to see them. Every teenage girl will want to go out and see the "cute" mop topped kid from Spain light it up with some fantastic passes. None of the other players that could be available to us will even come close to bringing the type of attention we would get with Rubio unless that other player came in and started winning again.
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I have been following the NBA for almost 30 years, and the Kings since they moved to Sacramento. One thing I have found over the years is that MOST fans are not like those of us who post here. They have a limited knowlege on other teams and especially players in the draft. Only the biggest names get their attention, and then only enough to make them pay attention to see if they are hype or actually good players.

I think if you went into a local bar and asked 50 people about Rubio, most of them wouldn't know who he was and those that did wouldn't know much about him. This isn't a knock on fans, just a statement that most fans only pay attention to what is right in front of them. They don't have time for much more than that.

All I'm saying is that Rubio will have to do something on the court to put people in the seats, just like any other player that we draft. His name alone won't make much of a difference IMO.
 
Padrino said:
the jason williams-led sacramento kings weren't huge winners in the beginning, either. the kings were 27-23 in the '98-'99 lockout-shortened season. they were 44-38 the following season. it certainly helped that the team was also composed of chris webber, vlade divac, and peja stojakovic, and i'm not convinced yet that the kings still under contract in '09 can even sniff the greatness that team eventually achieved, but i'm not exactly put off by:

PG Ricky Rubio
SG Kevin Martin
SF Andres Nocioni
PF Jason Thompson
C Spencer Hawes
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While the Kings were not huge winners that first season with J-Will, they were winners for the first time since coming to Sacramento. I think you have to take that into account when looking for a comparison. The fans in Sac are no longer just looking for a team to make the playoffs and be exiting. They have been spoiled by success, and now are looking for a team that can eventually win it all. Now that may very well mean drafting Rubio. But if Petrie thinks he will be more flash than substance, I doubt he will draft him. Only time will tell, and obviously Petrie probably has a much better idea of how good Rubio will be than the majority of us fans who have had limited opportunity to see him play.
 
I thought this little blurb in the Bee today was interesting. Rubio might visit Sac again before heading to NY.

The Kings, meanwhile, are still trying to assess the overall draft field. Rubio's Sacramento visit ended Thursday with a disappointment, as he fell ill before a workout at the team's practice facility.

According to team officials, Rubio had a fever, fatigue and a sore throat and was given antibiotics before he flew to Los Angeles in the late morning. He has not visited with any other teams, but he may be back for a second Sacramento visit before the draft.

While Rubio remains high on the Kings' board, it is believed the in-house opinions vary greatly. Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn has many fans in the team's scouting department and front office,……
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http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1962689.html
 
"The Kings, meanwhile, are still trying to assess the overall draft field. Rubio's Sacramento visit ended Thursday with a disappointment, as he fell ill before a workout at the team's practice facility.
According to team officials, Rubio had a fever, fatigue and a sore throat and was given antibiotics before he flew to Los Angeles in the late morning. He has not visited with any other teams, but he may be back for a second Sacramento visit before the draft."

I can hear Brick now: "The all wuss backcourt. He can't even get off a plane without getting a DNP." :p
 
Kingster said:
"The Kings, meanwhile, are still trying to assess the overall draft field. Rubio's Sacramento visit ended Thursday with a disappointment, as he fell ill before a workout at the team's practice facility.
According to team officials, Rubio had a fever, fatigue and a sore throat and was given antibiotics before he flew to Los Angeles in the late morning. He has not visited with any other teams, but he may be back for a second Sacramento visit before the draft."

I can hear Brick now: "The all wuss backcourt. He can't even get off a plane without getting a DNP." :p
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Uh, look at the post right above yours. ;) Actually airplanes, especially long flights, are a great place to catch a bug. That's how ended up with a cold my first few days in Kenya. :mad:
 
Telemachus said:
I have been following the NBA for almost 30 years, and the Kings since they moved to Sacramento. One thing I have found over the years is that MOST fans are not like those of us who post here. They have a limited knowlege on other teams and especially players in the draft. Only the biggest names get their attention, and then only enough to make them pay attention to see if they are hype or actually good players.

I think if you went into a local bar and asked 50 people about Rubio, most of them wouldn't know who he was and those that did wouldn't know much about him. This isn't a knock on fans, just a statement that most fans only pay attention to what is right in front of them. They don't have time for much more than that.

All I'm saying is that Rubio will have to do something on the court to put people in the seats, just like any other player that we draft. His name alone won't make much of a difference IMO.
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Same man.. But total opposite so not sure.. Well I was a Laker fan in Sac until about the 3rd year the Kings were here, but All the warm weather fans I have talked to who were for the Kings only when they were winning know who Rubio is, and want him here.

Meh it doesn't matter though because We are NOT getting Rubio.. I have already accepted it when the Kings got the 4th pick.
 
rainmaker said:
I don't want to look into it to much, but I think its says something the OKC visited Rubio in LA rather than Rubio actually visiting OKC. I think it is likely that Rubio didn't care enough about OKC to get on a plane and see the facilities first hand, and OKC's only chance of meeting with Rubio was to fly to LA.
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I just have a hard time seeing Ricky in OKC. First, he is a true PG who needs the ball in his hands and creates. Well, Durant and Westbrook also need the ball in their hands. I just don't see it being as good of a fit as say someone like Harden who can also be very effective playing off the ball. Also, as I have said before, if OKC has any desire to start winning soon, they are not helping themselves by having an entire back court that can't hit a 3. Whoever their starting center is will not be a shooter either, so you basically will have 3 players who need to be in the lane to be effective.
 
VF21 said:
If we draft Rubio, I'm pretty sure he's going to see a lot of minutes. Is he ready to actually START? Maybe not out of the gate. Let him at least get his feet wet in the NBA.
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To me, it's a non issue whether he comes off the bench or starts, he can handle either role, but I don't think he's going to be ready to play a ton of minutes endurance wise. He's going to have to gradually get used to the NBA schedule, especially when you consider that he plays with so much energy.
 
I agree. I've never understood the feeling that your draft picks have to start from day one. I'm thinking the only time that applies is when your draft pick is named Lebron James or ... well, Lebron James. :p
 
The thing is Rubio has stated he wants to see a lot of minutes, and wants to control the ball.. I just don't see that happening in OKC. I don't think Westbrook would be happy moving to the 2 spot either.... So we could just take westbrook off their hands if they draft Rubio :)
 
VF21 said:
I agree. I've never understood the feeling that your draft picks have to start from day one. I'm thinking the only time that applies is when your draft pick is named Lebron James or ... well, Lebron James. :p
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Well, if they can start I have no problem with it. There have been plenty of rookies that have started from day one and done just fine.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Well, if they can start I have no problem with it. There have been plenty of rookies that have started from day one and done just fine.
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I don't think the issue is whether they can start. Like VF21, I don't understand fans who think they have to start or they're a bust; or they are being underutilized; or whatever else fans think is wrong with not starting.
 
6th said:
I don't think the issue is whether they can start. Like VF21, I don't understand fans who think they have to start or they're a bust; or they are being underutilized; or whatever else fans think is wrong with not starting.
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Depends on whether they're the best option. If they are, then they should start.
 
Personally, I think there are still a lot of things that Rubio is going to have trouble with adjusting to the NBA. His lateral quickness is going to greatly challenged with the explosive athletes who can handle the ball well in the NBA, he'll have to play a more conservative defensive game than he's used to or he's really going to lose his man and/or pick up a lot of fouls. He plays a very aggressive game defensively, and in result sometimes gives up his position trying to pick off passes or he gets up way too close on his man to try to force a turnover. In the NBA, he's probably better off playing a quarterback type role defensively, he's great at playing the passing lanes, he never loses sight of the ball. He's like a shark that smells blood whenever there is a loose ball or his man is losing his dribble even slightly, it's truly a fun thing to watch how energetic he is defensively. He has an unbelievable motor, it'll be interesting to see how much it keeps up witht he tougher schedule in the NBA.

Offensively, he has instances where he doesn't take a shot that he should and makes the extra pass for a lower percentage shot. He has to become more aggressive as a scorer, even if he's not a great finisher or shooter at this point. There are going to be turnover issues as he does force passes that aren't there at times.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Depends on whether they're the best option. If they are, then they should start.
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I agree. Under our team's circumstances, it seems that our new PG - who, most likely will be our PG of the future, is in a position to start right away.

Beno or PG of the future?

This was the case we saw this year with Mikki vs JT. We are losing already, and yet our future PF is on the bench. This could very well be the case again this year with Beno and our new PG.
 
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