Miscellaneous Rubio stuff (merged)
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NME
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Yeah, why on earth give up one of the better PG's who is still young to roll the dice on an unknown. Rubio isn't a sure thing to ever be as good as Harris.
Considering how all of the talk over here has been about Memphis wanting one of our bigs, that is kind of bizarre that they're allegedly fielding an offer of a PG.
I also suspect that the rumor is total rubbish. Harris is entering his prime, very popular with the fans, and a known quantity. The guy has played very, very well for the Nets, and was an all-star last year. It makes no sense whatsoever, unless one decides that this is a bogus rumor made up by someone trying to help Memphis' bargaining position.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Anything is possible, but it just doesn't make any sense. I could see the Nets trying to move up to get Rubio if they had Beno playing the point for them. But they really don't have a weakness at that position with Harris there. The old saying, " If it ain't broke, don't fix it " is a good one to live by.
ElRey
Starter
IMO, its shaping up to a super interesting draft for us... 4th pick, 2 first rounders, 3 picks overall ... and we, damn, need every pick to be extremely good .. and, for the moment, we have no clue what's gonna happen!! I have already got fine German pork sausages, sauerkraut and 2 bottles of Weihenstephaner beer. Can't wait to eat it ... or and to see the draft too
Can I come over?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Yeah, that's what we don't know right now - who exactly is Rubio talking to? If Rubio doesn't want to go the icecap of the US, maybe he's not even talking to Minnesota. He's only 18. If he doesn't get the deal that he really wants, then he'll just see ya and come back in a couple of years.
One other thing. We don't know the teams that Rubio is talking to, but Petrie certainly does. I can't imagine Rubio keeping that information from him. Just knowing that information makes the situation more certain for Petrie. He can identify exactly the teams who could be his competition for getting Rubio. That means that if he does want Rubio, and he is willing trade up, he's going to be less likely to overpay to do so. If Rubio's people are cooperating with Sacto, he can tell him exactly who is doing what.
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BritishColumbia
Bench
At this moment, GMs, owners, journalists etc. are desperate. They will throw dust in our eyes and hope to trick us, scared us, misinformed us. Every manager wants to turn nothing into something, every blogger wants to shock people and get attention. I guess soon we'll hear that LeBrons and Howards are offered for second rounders and Rubio is not a lottery pick.
Yeah, only you have to bring your own beer
Can I come over?
Yeah, only you have to bring your own beer
kennadog
Dog On It!
I doubt Petrie is going to trust what anyone tells him another team is or isn't going to do. You certainly can't trust what any player or, more likely, any player's agent says about other teams. He has to decide what we need/can do and do it. It's all a big poker game and GP seems to have a pretty good poker face.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
What's in for Rubio not to tell Petrie? Do you think he's conning him so he doesn't have to go to Sacto?
NME
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well you always want to make it seem liike your client is in higg demand but of course what he really wants to do is sign with whatever team you are talking to, and you'd probably like somebody to jump to #2 and take Rubio because its worth hundreds of thousands of extra dollars.
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
Good point. So maybe he's willing to "equivocate" a little with Petrie to get him to move up to #2 or #3 to get a few hundred thousand more dollars.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
This is only partially related, because Rubio was mentioned. I was listening to ESPN radio on XM radio and they had on someone either from the Knicks organization or someone that covers the Knicks. I missed the beginning, so I don't know. Probably the latter. I gleened a certain amount of desperation in his comments. The Knicks trying to move up to get Rubio was briefly mentioned, and I got the impression that there wasn't much to it.
For one thing, they don't have much to trade. Apparently their trying to move Lee, Hughes, Robinson, and Harrington. He stated that the only two untouchables were Gallinari and Chandler. Their quandry is that its their intent to make a big splash in the 2010 freeagent market. All well and good. But in order to intice a big name they know that they have to be able to put a competive team on the court this season. Maybe even make the playoffs. Adding to their problems, is that they don't have a first round draft pick next year. So this is their last hurrah before the 2010 offseason.
From what he said I got the impression that some, if not all of the players their trying to move could be had for either draft picks or ending contracts. Or both. They will have some cap space to sign someone this offseason. But they can't get too crazy with it if they want to save it for the next offseason. Right now I would rather be a Kings fan than a Knicks fan..
For one thing, they don't have much to trade. Apparently their trying to move Lee, Hughes, Robinson, and Harrington. He stated that the only two untouchables were Gallinari and Chandler. Their quandry is that its their intent to make a big splash in the 2010 freeagent market. All well and good. But in order to intice a big name they know that they have to be able to put a competive team on the court this season. Maybe even make the playoffs. Adding to their problems, is that they don't have a first round draft pick next year. So this is their last hurrah before the 2010 offseason.
From what he said I got the impression that some, if not all of the players their trying to move could be had for either draft picks or ending contracts. Or both. They will have some cap space to sign someone this offseason. But they can't get too crazy with it if they want to save it for the next offseason. Right now I would rather be a Kings fan than a Knicks fan..
Sptsjunkie
Starter
I agree. I can't imagine the Knicks have what it takes to get Rubio. They can't trade an extra 1st round pick (other than swapping this year's) until 2012, they don't want to trade their expiring contracts because they are saving for 2010, they won't take back any of the Grizzlies bad contracts, and I am not sure the Griz would move back 6 spots in the draft for Gallinari or Chandler. Heck, I don't even think the Griz would take Lee or Nate Rob S&Ted to them if the two teams drafted for each other. Rubio would be a brilliant fit in their system as his jump shot improved, but right now I think it's a pipedream.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Lee after the fact would be the threat -- the Grizz needed a PF out of this draft, there are none worth the trouble in the draft, but the Knicks just so hapen to have access to one. Of course the frontcourt defense of Gasol/Le would be pathetic, but it is the biggest hole in their lineup by far and Lee is a legitimate starter.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Not that the Griz are smart, but for me that is still a bad trade for the Griz. Lee was a fantastic player on his old contract; however, a S&T Lee would be making more than the MLE, so they would be taking on an extra 8 mil onto their cap for a fringe starter whose stats were inflated last year playing in NY.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59925/20090619/rubio_to_visit_oklahoma_city/
It's almost as if OK has to win an argument to get to see Rubio or his reps. It sure doesn't seem like he's going to visit too many teams before the draft. Do you think teams are going to be willing to trade up on the basis of a phone call? The fewer teams involved, the better, if Petrie does want to nab him...
It's almost as if OK has to win an argument to get to see Rubio or his reps. It sure doesn't seem like he's going to visit too many teams before the draft. Do you think teams are going to be willing to trade up on the basis of a phone call? The fewer teams involved, the better, if Petrie does want to nab him...
TheFifthMookie
Bench
Put me down as expecting the Grizz to trade their draft pick to the Lakers for an overpriced has-been forward with small hands.
again.
Gary
All-Star
Don't shoot me, but I think come dradt day a lot of Kings fans are going to be pretty pissed off when you see Rubio's name being picked 2nd or 3rd and we take Flynn or Holiday.
There will be hope of a sign and trade, but once you see the Kings taking a PG at 4th then you will know that Rubio will not be traded here
Not sure why I feel this way.. i think it has to do with everyone wanting him so bad, and the Kings bad luck over the years. It's like when we want something bad enough it usually comes back to kick us in the face.
There will be hope of a sign and trade, but once you see the Kings taking a PG at 4th then you will know that Rubio will not be traded here
Not sure why I feel this way.. i think it has to do with everyone wanting him so bad, and the Kings bad luck over the years. It's like when we want something bad enough it usually comes back to kick us in the face.
SacKings7
Starter
Don't shoot me, but I think come dradt day a lot of Kings fans are going to be pretty pissed off when you see Rubio's name being picked 2nd or 3rd and we take Flynn or Holiday.
There will be hope of a sign and trade, but once you see the Kings taking a PG at 4th then you will know that Rubio will not be traded here
Not sure why I feel this way.. i think it has to do with everyone wanting him so bad, and the Kings bad luck over the years. It's like when we want something bad enough it usually comes back to kick us in the face.
Yeah I feel the same way. Luckily for me I'll be happy with someone like Flynn or Holiday. If we take Hill or Jennings on the other hand...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Don't shoot me, but I think come dradt day a lot of Kings fans are going to be pretty pissed off when you see Rubio's name being picked 2nd or 3rd and we take Flynn or Holiday.
There will be hope of a sign and trade, but once you see the Kings taking a PG at 4th then you will know that Rubio will not be traded here
Not sure why I feel this way.. i think it has to do with everyone wanting him so bad, and the Kings bad luck over the years. It's like when we want something bad enough it usually comes back to kick us in the face.
I think he'll be there at 4, but I'm reconciled that he won't. If that makes any sense. It won't be the end of the world if we end up with someone else. No point in getting pissed over something you can't control. Now what might really pee off some fans is that he is there at 4, and the Kings pass on him, or trade him for a lower pick and a player.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Don't shoot me, but I think come dradt day a lot of Kings fans are going to be pretty pissed off when you see Rubio's name being picked 2nd or 3rd and we take Flynn or Holiday.
There will be hope of a sign and trade, but once you see the Kings taking a PG at 4th then you will know that Rubio will not be traded here
Not sure why I feel this way.. i think it has to do with everyone wanting him so bad, and the Kings bad luck over the years. It's like when we want something bad enough it usually comes back to kick us in the face.
Yep. With the Kings it's a dangerous game to think that "it's different this time." I don't even know whether I want Rubio or not, but the intrigue is, well, intriguing. Based upon the number of people who wanted to jump off the cliff when we got #4, I wouldn't want them to get their hopes up on this, otherwise they will go in a dark, dark place.
I think the majority of people who are high on Rubio right now are well aware of how silly it is to count on anything too much for the Kings. Right now, Rubio is the topic of the day. If we get him, I'm sure he'll bring excitement and energy to the Kings...and the fans. If we don't, we're still in a better place - with expiring contracts, a coach who actually has legitimate NBA experience, etc - than we've been in a long time.
Kings fans already were in a dark, dark place. We're on the way out, Rubio or no Rubio.
Kings fans already were in a dark, dark place. We're on the way out, Rubio or no Rubio.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I appreciate the logic. But I also appreciate how with a 75% probability of not getting the #1 pick, that a lot of people still ended up jumping off the building..
Gary
All-Star
Yah... Seems though this Rubio talk has even beat out the topic about getting the #1.
It was to the point that Brick had to merge threads..
It's to the point that people that aren't even much of a basketball fan are on the Rubio bandwagon. My 91 year old grandfather (he watches the Kings) is excited about Rubio.
My teenage niece thinks he's cute lol.
Look at it this way... I said this a long time ago, but the kid is going to put butts into the seats. He's got a bunch of fair weather fans on his side, and this is basically the boost that the Maloofs need.
Sacramento NEEDS Rubio. Notice I didn't say "The Kings need Rubio"? Reason is that if we don't get Rubio a lot of seats will remain empty and that might cause the Kings to move.. So yes, Sacramento NEEDS rubio.
It was to the point that Brick had to merge threads..
It's to the point that people that aren't even much of a basketball fan are on the Rubio bandwagon. My 91 year old grandfather (he watches the Kings) is excited about Rubio.
My teenage niece thinks he's cute lol.
Look at it this way... I said this a long time ago, but the kid is going to put butts into the seats. He's got a bunch of fair weather fans on his side, and this is basically the boost that the Maloofs need.
Sacramento NEEDS Rubio. Notice I didn't say "The Kings need Rubio"? Reason is that if we don't get Rubio a lot of seats will remain empty and that might cause the Kings to move.. So yes, Sacramento NEEDS rubio.
kingsnation
All-Star
That's how I tend to see it, too...
So that's where Petrie is gonna earn the big bucks. Does he go strictly for what the Kings need? Is Rubio not only what the city needs but also what the Kings need? Does he have to consider what the city needs, since if things don't turn around the franchise might well be forced to go elsewhere and start over?
I'm getting a headache just thinking about it.
Telemachus
Starter
I don't think that people were jumping off the ledge because the Kings didn't get the 1st pick, it was because they ended up with the 4th pick (worst possible senario).