Mike Bibby: Status of his contract (MERGED)

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hammystyle

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The whole reason he would opt out would be to secure a long-term deal while he's 29 and still relatively young. The most he can sign with another team for is 5 years, and without knowing who'll have cap space, he might be able to get around 5y/60m. As of now he'd have 2y/28m left after this year. He'd be a 31 year old free agent at the end of that deal, so to match the above deal he'd have to sign for at least 3y/32m, which would seem unlikely at that point. So opting out would make sense.

So my guess is that Walker60 is right and he tries to opt out, but resigns with us because we could do 6 years.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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hammystyle said:
The whole reason he would opt out would be to secure a long-term deal while he's 29 and still relatively young. The most he can sign with another team for is 5 years, and without knowing who'll have cap space, he might be able to get around 5y/60m. As of now he'd have 2y/28m left after this year. He'd be a 31 year old free agent at the end of that deal, so to match the above deal he'd have to sign for at least 3y/32m, which would seem unlikely at that point. So opting out would make sense.

So my guess is that Walker60 is right and he tries to opt out, but resigns with us because we could do 6 years.
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Yeah, I agree with this analysis. I think he'll opt out. And there are going to be teams out there with cap room (despite what Chad Ford says) who might be willing to drastically overpay Bibby. All the more reason to either extend him or trade him now. Yes, now. I'm tired of watching free agents walk.
 
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popcKic1

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are the Kings nothing w/out Bibby?

Fortunatley, no. Every player has a good quality in them that helps the team. But as a long time Kings fan, I must say that Bibby brought that "oomph" to the game. He was one of the star players and contributed a lot while on the team. Although the rumors may be true about Mike being a free agent, there's no reason for all the fans to be bummed out about it. We still should be fans of the player and the team. :)
 
kennadog

kennadog

Dog On It!
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Actually, I was surprised to hear Napear say yesterday that the rumor is that Bibby will terminate his contract next year. Napear says Bibby thinks his value is higher than what he will be earning.

Napear was saying if Bibby terminates, with the other expiring contracts, the Kings would have quite a bit of money to throw around next year. It could be very interesting.

Still, consider the source. Napear can be wrong, as we all know. :p
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

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kennadog said:
Actually, I was surprised to hear Napear say yesterday that the rumor is that Bibby will terminate his contract next year. Napear says Bibby thinks his value is higher than what he will be earning.

Napear was saying if Bibby terminates, with the other expiring contracts, the Kings would have quite a bit of money to throw around next year. It could be very interesting.

Still, consider the source. Napear can be wrong, as we all know. :p
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yeah, mr 'The Bonzi Wells situation will be resolved in the next 48 hours', back in June.:D I will say one thing about Bibby, if we DO lose him after next year...what are our options at PG when/if that happens? What direction should we take at this position? I dont like to play around with hypotheticals too far in advance, but it is a viable question...who is out there that would be the best for our team?
 
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hammystyle

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^Chauncey would be available. Or maybe Salmons could be the starter with backups like Douby and Price. That could allow us to go after Darko or Kaman maybe.
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
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I would be shocked if Bibby opted out. Grant on his show said he thinks that he will. Here's the problem. Bibby is due to make 13.5 mil his opt out year. Thats not chump change. In order to make more that that, first he has to find a team that is far enough under the cap to be able to do it. Secondly there is a limit to how much a player can be paid as a starting salary. For a 7 year player to a 9 year player the max is 14.9 mil. Would you gamble on throwing away 13.5 on the chance you could make 1.4 mil more? If my agent advised me to do that, I think I would fire him on the spot. Look what happened to Bonzi.
 
kennadog

kennadog

Dog On It!
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I do think Hammystyle's analysis gives good argument for why bibby would do it, tho. Its not the one year he'd be thinking about. Its the next 5 years and his age.
 
CruzDude

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
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An interesting poll in ESPN Sat 8/12 asks:
"Which potential 2007 free agent is most likely preparing for a final season with his current team?

Bibby comes in 2nd at 24% behind Rashard Lewis of the Sonics at 32%
(as of 7pm Sat 8/12)

In view of the comments in this thread, this implies that Bibby can be a free agent after 2007-08 season which implies he has an opt out for 08-09.

He is due $12.5M this year and $13.5 next year.

I think he will showcase and I think he may leave. Depends on level of performance we get from Salmons, Martin and Price this year. Maybe Hart too. If Price steps up he is more a true PG than Bibby ever was. Salmons is the big ?

Gets more interesting by the week.
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

All-Star
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CruzDude said:
An interesting poll in ESPN Sat 8/12 asks:
"Which potential 2007 free agent is most likely preparing for a final season with his current team?

Bibby comes in 2nd at 24% behind Rashard Lewis of the Sonics at 32%
(as of 7pm Sat 8/12)

In view of the comments in this thread, this implies that Bibby can be a free agent after 2007-08 season which implies he has an opt out for 08-09.

He is due $12.5M this year and $13.5 next year.

I think he will showcase and I think he may leave. Depends on level of performance we get from Salmons, Martin and Price this year. Maybe Hart too. If Price steps up he is more a true PG than Bibby ever was. Salmons is the big ?

Gets more interesting by the week.
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I honestly dont see either Price or Salmons being a stout replacement for Bibby. Salmons is intriguing, but I dont think he's a full time starter at the PG position in the NBA. Who knows, though?? Geoff and staff are going a different direction now and we have no idea what they're doing. It's anyone's guess...
 
acisking

acisking

Bench
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Considering the fact that good point gaurds are very hard to find, it would be rather foolish to do anything other than retain Bibby's service until at least a comparable pg comes into the equation.
 
TheJoker

TheJoker

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What do you guys think the Kings should do???? i do want him to be resigned but at the right price i don't want them to overpay and as much as i like Bibby hes not worth overpaying for.

i do think he will be resigned long-term but it depends if Bibby accepts the price the Kings give him.
 
TheJoker

TheJoker

Bench
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Well it depends, i do think we should discuss this now because its important. if we do resign Bibby i'm just hoping we resign him at a good price. we'll see how this plays out lets hope for the best.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

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u never want to let talent walk. if someone offers you a young stud and maybe some cap relief, draft picks. you gotta pull the trigger. ppl will want him bc hes clutch in the 4th quarter
 
TheJoker

TheJoker

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KMart23 said:
u never want to let talent walk. if someone offers you a young stud and maybe some cap relief, draft picks. you gotta pull the trigger. ppl will want him bc hes clutch in the 4th quarter
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There is no doubt if someone offers us a good deal we have to accept it. something like Devin Harris and a pick for Bibby can gain interest.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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SacTownKid said:
Too early to tell. We should discuss this next offseason. He may not even opt out for all we know.
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That would be an error, same as letting Peja reach that stage would have been an error. Waiting waiting waiting can get you badly burnt, and our free agent retention rate right now is roughly 0% in the last 4 years. If it gets to the summer without some sort of resolution one way or the other, then Mike is in control, and we can't do a thing about it. If at all possible we need to either extend him, find out he does not intend to exercise that option, or trade him. But waiting for a 20ppg scorer to follow all of our other talent out the door is just begging for a one way return to lottery status.
 
TheJoker

TheJoker

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Brick, would you overpay Mike Bibby if he stayed or would you let him walk? cause i think it's gonna come down to overpaying and its GP's call rather he will overpay. i think Bibby is gonna look for the biggest market price out there.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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Bricklayer said:
That would be an error, same as letting Peja reach that stage would have been an error. Waiting waiting waiting can get you badly burnt, and our free agent retention rate right now is roughly 0% in the last 4 years. If it gets to the summer without some sort of resolution one way or the other, then Mike is in control, and we can't do a thing about it. If at all possible we need to either extend him, find out he does not intend to exercise that option, or trade him. But waiting for a 20ppg scorer to follow all of our other talent out the door is just begging for a one way return to lottery status.
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Um...OK. But unfortunately he IS in control. He has a PLAYER OPTION. This season hasn't even started yet for cripes sake. Who knows if he is even going to fit in Musselmans plans. Of course he is a tremendous talent and him walking for nothing would be beyond rediculous but the future of this team should be more clear 2-3 months into the season.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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TheJoker said:
Brick, would you overpay Mike Bibby if he stayed or would you let him walk? cause i think it's gonna come down to overpaying and its GP's call rather he will overpay. i think Bibby is gonna look for the biggest market price out there.
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But what teams are out there with the cap space to offer him for than the 13 million he'll be getting next year? That's why I say it's too early to discuss this because teams may load up on expirings at the deadline that are not even thinking about doing so at this point. It's just too speculative at this point IMO.
 
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ImAKing

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SacTownKid said:
But what teams are out there with the cap space to offer him for than the 13 million he'll be getting next year? That's why I say it's too early to discuss this because teams may load up on expirings at the deadline that are not even thinking about doing so at this point. It's just too speculative at this point IMO.
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there are actually a few teams with enough cap space next year to sign Mike.
 
Kingzrool

Kingzrool

Starter
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I would like to see Bibby give more. The recent article about him losing weight made me feel this may be possible. I say wait and see if he's attempting to step up his game and put effort into getting better. If we have another year from him like last year, I am all for moving him for a big player (obviously KG is first on my list, but others could work as well), before he has his option.

IMO, he could become better with effort. If so, I would hate for him to be on another team! Also, how he works with Muss is a factor. Not that I am worried there.
 
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KingFred4

G-League
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Forgive my ignorance but, why would Bibby opt out?

This is the way I see it. According to HoopsHype he's guaranteed $40.5 million over the next three years. 28 Mil left after this year over 2 years. Why would he pass on that?

At the end of his current contract he'll be 30 years old. Not yet out to pasture but grey around the ears as far as the NBA is concerned. He's never been an all-star and his defensive game leaves MUCH to be desired.

I greatly respect Mike's game and what he's done for the Kings' organization. He's a great point. He shoots a good percentage, hits clutch shots, can penetrate and distribute. But his numbers are sliding and his defense is a big hole in his game.

I know contracts like Peja's and Nene's happen but I gotta think that the odds of some team coming up with the money for Mike that make opting out of his current contract make sense range between "probably not" and "umm NO."

^ opinion of course but I think he'd be retarded to opt out.
 
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