Mike Bibby and Chris Webber both rank higher than Peja in FGA!
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SacTownKid
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Padrino said:
Not shooting percentages!! Shot attempts. Two completely different subjects. Is it not the least bit shocking that Chris webber has almost 200 more shot attempts than Peja this season.
PixelPusher
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Padrino said:
Most stats are misleading, and often taken out of context...but that one is pretty damning. A PG outrebounding a SF.
But in fairness, every player on this roster has a least one "damnable" weakness in their game. Bibby's is defense. Our defensive woes start with him getting consistently beat off the dribble.
Padrino
All-Star
SacTownKid said:
pardon me. i read it wrong. either way....it dont matter. that doesnt disturb me at all. both mike and chris can create their own shots, so it's no surprise that they have more shot attempts. i still find it more disturbing that mike bibby (a 6'1" point guard) averages more rebounds a game than peja stojakovic (a 6'10" small forward).
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Padrino said:
That shocks you! C'mon man Bibby is a rebounding machine. Well I guess compared Peja.
Padrino
All-Star
PixelPusher said:
heh...it has definitely occurred to me that every king has at least one flaw that needs correcting. but i call peja's lack of rebounding "disturbing" because i (a 5'10" high school senior) could step out on an nba court and play 35 minutes and have the basketball fall into my hands thru sheer luck more times than peja will rebound the ball in a game. ya can't teach height....and ya can't teach hustle, either.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
KP said:
On the flipside, the more shots you take the better your percentage can get.
King Peja said:
omg.
So you're any better than the Peja bashers how exactly? You come here to KINGSFANS.com and you have to build your hero up by dragging Webber down?
Have you even bothered to read more than a couple of posts on this board?
Most of us aren't player fans; we're team fans. We may have favorite players but for most of us the bottom line is that we support the Sacramento Kings.
It is, quite frankly, posters like YOU that cause problems on this board. If you're here to simply attempt to make Pedja look good at the expense of the rest of our team, you might as well leave now.
El Paljasso
Bench
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=sachttp://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=sac
peja is averaging more shots than bibby
peja is averaging more shots than bibby
outsider62
G-League
PPS is my favorite shooting statistics. Go Brad!
bigbadred00
Starter
Webber is the what 10th most efficient player according to ESPN? And even higher if you do by per 48 (7th) and was even higher before the slump. Webber was a big MVP candidate what 3 or 4 years ago when like Peja got 4th place. Your right Peja was a leading MVP candidate, I love the guy, but he disappeared and has been a shell of himself. Honestly last year I thought he was easily better than Dirk, but this year it's not even close. Hopefully he returns because we love the guy but if he doesn't he other than Bibby, have the most trade value for anyone on the team.
bigbadred00
Starter
Like Peja, Webber fell off the MVP radar with a Kings late season slump. The end of the season is 10 times more important in the MVP voting because it's what the voters remember. For all of those who forgot, 2000-2001 Stats.
Games 70
PPG: 27.1
FG%: 48%
RPG: 11.1
MPG: 40.5
APG: 4.2
SPG: 1.33
BPG: 1.71
In comparison to KG's MVP year and TD's, of course they are also all-nba defenders.
Games: 82
MPG: 39.4
FG%: 49.9
RPG: 13.9
APG: 5.0
SPG: 1.46
BPG: 2.17
TD
PPG: 23.3
RPG: 12.9
MPG: 39.3
APG: 3.9
SPG: .68
BPG 2.93
Webber's is comparable on almost all fronts except games played and wins. Kings had 55 wins good for 3rd in the West, to the Spurs and the Lakers.
Games 70
PPG: 27.1
FG%: 48%
RPG: 11.1
MPG: 40.5
APG: 4.2
SPG: 1.33
BPG: 1.71
In comparison to KG's MVP year and TD's, of course they are also all-nba defenders.
Games: 82
MPG: 39.4
FG%: 49.9
RPG: 13.9
APG: 5.0
SPG: 1.46
BPG: 2.17
TD
PPG: 23.3
RPG: 12.9
MPG: 39.3
APG: 3.9
SPG: .68
BPG 2.93
Webber's is comparable on almost all fronts except games played and wins. Kings had 55 wins good for 3rd in the West, to the Spurs and the Lakers.
Vlad
Bench
Webber is third worst in pps on the kings after daniels and house?El Paljasso said:
Miller is the best (no surprise), then Bibby, Peja, and Songaila are right behind.
Last year/this year PPS comparison:
Peja: 1.42/1.29
Miller: 1.39/1.46
Bibby: 1.29/1.31
Songaila: 1.23/1.28
Divac: 1.20/NA
Mobley: 1.17/1.23
Jackson: 1.16/1.15
Webber: 1.02/1.06
KP
Starter
Did you even read my post above about using just one stat to make your point? Webber ranks higher in total effeciency than anyone on the team.Vlad said:Webber is third worst in pps on the kings after daniels and house?
Miller is the best (no surprise), then Bibby, Peja, and Songaila are right behind.
Last year/this year PPS comparison:
Peja: 1.42/1.29
Miller: 1.39/1.46
Bibby: 1.29/1.31
Songaila: 1.23/1.28
Divac: 1.20/NA
Mobley: 1.17/1.23
Jackson: 1.16/1.15
Webber: 1.02/1.06
bigbadred00
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Your right he shouldn't be taking a ton of shots but he is most efficient player on the court for the Kings, maybe not shotwise but as a whole. You have to take the good with the bad. Problem with Kings players this year is we haven't gotten to the line enough. Webber and Peja for top scorers in the league need to get the line more often, that's how players like Dirk, Kobe, etc. who don't shoot much better than either of them from the field but have much higher ppg. Those are the King players though.
there is one point that has not been touched on that i know of. So many of you are whinning about webber having the ball too much, well heres why. as said before any championship caliber team needs a good post player. i love songaila and miller, but can they really play back to the hoop? what do you need to do when the other teams defense is tightening up and your shots arent dropping and the team is getting frantic (as the kings often do)? you need to get the ball into the CONFIDENT, STRONG hands of a good post player to either get a close, high percentage shot,...or draw a double team to open up an outside shot! my man vlade was one of the best at doing just this. now webber is the man.
i like darius in the post because hes strong and wont be bullied,...but can play somewhat frantic at times,.. but improving.
miller is terrible in the post because he cant palm the ball and cant jump so he gets swatted every time.
but now Webb is so efficient playing the post. amazing hands, sweet jump hook, and one of the best passers ever. but my main point is, he doesnt get pushed around. he is a muscular force to be reckoned with down low. i cracks me up when miller gets some position down low. and while trying to catch the feed from bibby the man guarding him from behind almost knocks him over ....several times a game. LIFT WEIGHTS BRAD.
i like darius in the post because hes strong and wont be bullied,...but can play somewhat frantic at times,.. but improving.
miller is terrible in the post because he cant palm the ball and cant jump so he gets swatted every time.
but now Webb is so efficient playing the post. amazing hands, sweet jump hook, and one of the best passers ever. but my main point is, he doesnt get pushed around. he is a muscular force to be reckoned with down low. i cracks me up when miller gets some position down low. and while trying to catch the feed from bibby the man guarding him from behind almost knocks him over ....several times a game. LIFT WEIGHTS BRAD.
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shacko
Guest
bigbadred00 said:
Sure that looks great but what happens when you run the numbers another way..................???
Say how the team does when he is on or off the court????
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
shacko said:
Might be more relevant if he hadn't been intentionally skipping games against patsies at home all season -- Charlotte 11-39, New Orleans 11-42, Denver 24-29, New Jersey 23-30, @Minnesota 27-27, Seattle 35-15, @Golden State 15-38, New York 21-32. That's a combined 85 games under .500, and even the one winning team was missing its best player that night. 6 of the 8 were also at home.
Just for comparison (and not because Peja has a great +/- this year either), but for comparison simply because they've missed the same number of games -- Peja has missed the following contests: @Spurs 41-12, @Houston 32-21, @Minnesota 27-27, Seattle 35-15, @Golden State 15-38, New York 21-32, @Chicago 26-23, @ New Jersey 23-30. That's a combined 22 games OVER .500, and 6 of the 8 on the ROAD.
now if one guy misses easy games at home, and one guy misses tough ones on the road, what do you think that's going to do to their +/- stats? Well I'll tell you what it will do -- in the 8 patsie games Webber has missed we've outscored our opponents by 92 pts. In the 8 road heavy games that Peja's missed, we've been outscored by -10 pts. It makes a tremendous difference -- those 92 pts are more than enough to turn Webb +/- from a negative to a positive. Without implying that anyone is doing suhc a thing, maybe Webb should start missing he tough ones rather than the easy ones and he too can have a nifty +/-.
And that's before we even get to the issue of by far the steadiest backup player on our shallow bench being the guy backing up Webber -- not nearly as much fall off.
bigbadred00
Starter
Go check the +/- stats, Jumaine Jones is top 10. Dirk is also top 5, guess who his backup is? Allen Henderson. +/- reflects your backup as well as your team's success and Brick is right Webb has set in pansy games.
bigbadred00
Starter
It's also no suprise that Brad I believe leads the team in +/-, as much as I love Ostertag he's not a very capable backup.
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