Miami / Kings trade
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91sickness
Bench
I found this on SI.COM in the truth n rumors section. It was written by Sam Amick in todays bee. Pretty interesting idea. At least we are getting some quality talent in return even if it is a rental.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/57901
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/57901
Kingzrool
Starter
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1082869.html
I am way down for a Matrix trade, if KT is in the mix. Now that is a trade.
DocHolliday
Starter
Doesn't Shaun Marion play Power Forward? Didn't he become a malcontent in Phoenix, because they wanted to move Amare back to his true position of Power Forward, and make him a 2nd option at Power Forward, or possibly to the 3 spot? I realize we'd be eliminating one of our PF's, but it's the one we don't play. Would Shaun Marion be happy playing at the 3 spot? That's the question, because that's where he would need to play, or else Jason Thompson will be the 3rd or 4th option at PF, instead of the 2nd, or 3rd.
For that reason I don't like it unless Marion is playing at the 3 spot. Then I'm good with it. I would also like it, because we give 2 for one, and clear a roster spot for this season. Then that's 17 million off the books at the end of the season.
For that reason I don't like it unless Marion is playing at the 3 spot. Then I'm good with it. I would also like it, because we give 2 for one, and clear a roster spot for this season. Then that's 17 million off the books at the end of the season.
Heuge
Starter
Artest and KT one in one fail swoop!!! AND with an allstar who is expiring. Where can I sign up?
SacKings7
Starter
Marion played the 3 for Phoenix for years, even though he started at the 4 his last few years. IMO he's more of a 3 than a 4 anyway. And I like this trade, make it happen
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Marion is a natural Three and thats where he played most of his career until of late, when he was forced to play PF out of necessity. I like Marion and he would fit in with the Kings fine. It would probably be just for one year though. I can't see the Kings spending that much money on him in the long term.
He's probably a better athlete than Artest, and in some ways a better defender, as in blocking shots and playing good team defense. He's been an all star, something Artest has not been, if memory serves. He's also been somewhat of an ironman, in the sense that he has seldom missed any games because of injury. Like Odom, he's an outstanding rebounder, and like Odom he's capable of playing PF and SF. I would say he's a little quicker than Odom and probably plays with more passion. I would say that Odom is a better passer. Neither of them are very good outside shooters, but both can get hot from the outside on occasion.
If I had to choose who I like better as player, I would probably go with Marion, but it would be a close call, mainly in the sense that Odom would probably be more signable for less money at the end of the year, if thats what we desired.
NoBonus
Starter
My thoughts exactly... who would we have to include to get this deal done?
mbkings10
G-League
Marion upon his arrival in Miami said he was happy to go back to his natural position at the 3. He said it took a physical toll on him playing the 4 and matching up against the monsters in the west like Duncan, Brand, Boozer, etc. I would love the trade, but I don't see why the Heat would take on Artest and KT. Marion is a versatile terrific defender, better rebounder and not a nutcase.
NoBonus
Starter
Maybe a deal like Marion for Artest, Douby, and Moore; the salaries work, but are the Kings giving up too much (I tend to think so)
Or, this also works:
Marion for SAR, Artest, and Shelden Williams...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Probably giving up too much in the first one, only in the sense that in one year, you'll have nothing to show for it, other than cap space, because I don't see the Kings resigning Marion. But who knows?
I like the second one better, with the one exception of KT still sitting on our bench.
Gary
All-Star
I don't think the Kings are giving up too much in either trade idea. We don't even use Douby, and Moore will be giving up more minutes this year to Hawes, and Thompson. So it's basically Artest for Marion which is doable in my books.
DocHolliday
Starter
Then I'm for it. I thought he had an issue with going back to 3. Also, it is possible. The rumors are coming out of Miami that they are interested and are possibly willing to trade Marion, so it's a possibility. This idea wasn't derived by the rise guys or this board.
Kings Faithful
Starter
You guys arn't thinking this thru. Why would the Heat be giving up Marion????? Because they have beasley at the 3. Why would they want Artest who is also at the 3 and KT who has 1 more year on his contract than Marion. Lets say that Marion and Artest are = in talent, because they are similar. So there is no benefit whatsoever for Miami. They get a player who plays the same position as the one they gave up and has similar talents, and loses 7 mil worth of expiring since Thomas' doesnt expire til 09/10 season........It makes no sense.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well, for starters, I'm not saying Beasley can't play some three, but the dude was a PF in college and thats what he's projected to be in the NBA. That gives them two PF's if you count Haslem. It then would allow them to move Marion back to the SF position which is his natural position.
Now as to why they would prefer Artest over Marion, you'll have to ask them. They're the ones that said they're interested in trading Marion for Artest. Maybe because Artest is a better outside shooter than Marion and he fits better into the system they want to run. Who know's?
I read this where Wade wants Odom, and it gives us the opportunity to clear space for young players while still getting good value for Artest.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53590/20080715/wade_would_welcome_reunion_with_odom/
Lakers out..... Odom
Lakers in ...... Artest and Kenny Thomas
Miami out ..... Marion
Miami in ..... Odom and SAR
Kings out....... Artest KT and SAR
Kings in .... Shawn Marion
It works in the trade checker...
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53590/20080715/wade_would_welcome_reunion_with_odom/
Lakers out..... Odom
Lakers in ...... Artest and Kenny Thomas
Miami out ..... Marion
Miami in ..... Odom and SAR
Kings out....... Artest KT and SAR
Kings in .... Shawn Marion
It works in the trade checker...
NoBonus
Starter
Well, if I came in last place with two all-stars on the roster last season, I would be looking at making some changes, too. I understand Marion has a reputation of having poor locker room demeanor as well.
NoBonus
Starter
I think ANYTHING that can be done to avoid having Ron go to the Lakers is worthwhile; it just seems like a Kings nightmare if Ron and Kobe got to matchup against the Kings four times a year.
BLNINJA #81
Bench
You know what's funny? If that deal were to go down... we would have effectively turned CWebb, Peja, & Bibby into Shawn Marion!
Emma
Starter
Maybe Riley thinks he can control Artest and that he will be easier to sign to a 5/6 year deal and will fit the Heat better than Marion. Artest is 1-1/2 yrs younger than Marion and that can be a big deal also at their ages. Hey, we thought we could control his antics and maybe with Riley and a long term deal Artest will grow up and behave. Good luck to that ... although I would rather have picks and potential youngs than Marion.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
artest is a much better player than marion.
im not sure marion can play outside of phoenix .. not to mention he has the ugliest shot i can remember.
marion and kmart could pair up for two of the awkwardest(sp?) shots of two players on the same team.
with that being said, marion for artest and kt wouldnt be a bad deal at all for us, even if marion sucks outside of phoenix he's a big expiring and a better player than odom.
im not sure marion can play outside of phoenix .. not to mention he has the ugliest shot i can remember.
marion and kmart could pair up for two of the awkwardest(sp?) shots of two players on the same team.
with that being said, marion for artest and kt wouldnt be a bad deal at all for us, even if marion sucks outside of phoenix he's a big expiring and a better player than odom.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
... one more thing.. and i know its early, but it has to be done..
if marion where to work out, a lineup of
Udrih
Martin
Salmons ( Considering he plays how he did last year when he started)
Marion
Miller
With Moore (Solid Energy backup big) , Cisco ( solid energy posey type ) , hawes ( young promising big ) , and then hoping we get something from thompson this year ...
dare i say we might have a playoff team?
if marion where to work out, a lineup of
Udrih
Martin
Salmons ( Considering he plays how he did last year when he started)
Marion
Miller
With Moore (Solid Energy backup big) , Cisco ( solid energy posey type ) , hawes ( young promising big ) , and then hoping we get something from thompson this year ...
dare i say we might have a playoff team?
nbrans
All-Star
No, I'm sorry, this still makes zero sense for Miami, unless Pat Riley has gone completely senile. Miami is rebuilding around Wade and Beasley, and you're telling me they want to exchange Shawn Marion, who is expiring, to take on KT's contract and let Ron Artest and Beasley run wild in South Beach?
Something's not adding up.
I could possibly see an Artest/Miller for Marion trade if Riley wants to give one big playoff push in the next two years with a PG/Wade/Artest/Beasley/Miller starting lineup, which would be tough. But anything else doesn't make any sense to me.
Something's not adding up.
I could possibly see an Artest/Miller for Marion trade if Riley wants to give one big playoff push in the next two years with a PG/Wade/Artest/Beasley/Miller starting lineup, which would be tough. But anything else doesn't make any sense to me.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
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NewArena
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Lets not Analyze it, just make it happen...PLEASE!
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