Maurice Evans to the Spurs?

[VF21]

There hasn't been an undrafted All-Star since 1989? Hmmmm. Wonder if BRAD MILLER knows that.

 

[BigSong]

There hasn't been an undrafted All-Star since 1989? Hmmmm. Wonder if BRAD MILLER knows that.

my bad...guess we should sign evans

 

[hrdboild]

In the last game of that Seattle series the Kings were facing elimination and I saw four players who stepped up and answered the call. Peja, Brad, Mike, and Mo. The rest of the team rolled over but those guys fought. And those four guys to me represent who this team is and their best shot moving forward. That's the biggest reason I want to see Mo back next year. That was something we can build off of. The one bright note in a series that was mostly disappointing. I'm happy Bonzi's here and I think Martin is ready for regular minutes now but there's still a place for Evans.

PS - Ben Wallace was also undrafted.

 

[Kings113]

I'm with you on Evans hrdboild, though he'd easily be our back-up.

 

[Bricklayer]

Look, I think very few people are talking about Mo as an All-Star -- and those few are completely delusional and probably have several hallucinogenic subatances in their bodies. But he was a nice little roleplayer for us, who if he could have just been more consistent could have been a VERY nice roleplayer for us. As it is, we lose him, no big deal. But there are reasons you could keep him. EXCEPT, and here is the giant monkey again, that he's going to cost us part of our MLE, and that is just too much to ask. Geoff and Rick have a little bit of a problem seeing and understanding the usefulness of roleplayers anyway, and you can tell from their comments that they were really less enamored of Mo than were the fans. Guess he could not shoot well enough. But you throw in the money issue, the Bonzi signing, etc., and it seems far more likely that somebody who does use roleplayers in their system, such as San Antonio and Detroit (as in the two teams that have won the last three titles! -- a lesson their for our front office perhaps) will make an offer to him considerably above what it is worth for us to match.

 

[Kings113]

Mo likely won't be an all-star (thought never came to mind). But he'll be a good player, and a solid starter if the oppurtunity arises later this season or in a future season or two, and great back-up in the league.

I'd like to keep him if it won't cost a lot, but if he wants a lot of the MLE, he can go to Detroit/SA/Minny and fit in fine there similar to how he did with us. If Martin isn't in a trade, and we don't get a veteran back-up SG, hopefully he does well in camp and in pre-season.

 

[hrdboild]

I agree with you Bricklayer, he's probably gone for those reasons. Mostly I was responding to people asking why we should keep him, not whether we would or not. With the Wells signing, I'm pretty sure he's gone. Though as regards the MLE, it seems like Eddie Griffin or Steven Hunter might be willing to sign 2-3 million dollar contracts considering the offers they've recieved so far. I think we should make offers to both of them, but if only one of them accepts or neither of them, than 2-3 million for Evans seems like a reasonable way to spend the money. If we wanted to go after Reggie Evans, that would probably take the whole MLE - and I would consider Mo Evans a neccesary sacrifice in the case that we got him. I don't think a backup PG should be a higher priority for that money though. We can find someone else to fill that role for less.

 

[outsider62]

Why not just sign Mo to back up peja he did allright last year as a SF. Then trade corlis. Then he wouldn't have to fight martin for minutes.

Because RA will use him as backup 2 and 3, which equals lost year for our young guards. Rick plays yung players only when he doesn't have choice. Corliss had to be traded to start Peja, Jason started because we had no backup pg.

 

[Kings113]

We could a S/T to get either Griffin or R. Evans. On signing R. Evans, I don't think it'd take the whole MLE. We could do a S/T for Watson I bet, Memphis wants to do that.

I'd say Mo is probably gone, based on he most likely wants a lot of the MLE, and a Martin trade (in one) won't come soon enough, I think.

Because RA will use him as backup 2 and 3, which equals lost year for our young guards.

I'd rather have Mo as the primary back-up, I just hope K-Mart can do well in pre-season/training camp.

 

[outsider62]

:: shrugs ::

I only said that he's the projected starter assuming no other changes, and I stand by that; it's not like either Skinner or Williamson have proven that they deserve to start ahead of him.

I would prefer Skinner starting, as far as Brad is our starting center.

 

[BigSong]

Look, I think very few people are talking about Mo as an All-Star -- and those few are completely delusional and probably have several hallucinogenic subatances in their bodies. But he was a nice little roleplayer for us, who if he could have just been more consistent could have been a VERY nice roleplayer for us. As it is, we lose him, no big deal. But there are reasons you could keep him. EXCEPT, and here is the giant monkey again, that he's going to cost us part of our MLE, and that is just too much to ask. Geoff and Rick have a little bit of a problem seeing and understanding the usefulness of roleplayers anyway, and you can tell from their comments that they were really less enamored of Mo than were the fans. Guess he could not shoot well enough. But you throw in the money issue, the Bonzi signing, etc., and it seems far more likely that somebody who does use roleplayers in their system, such as San Antonio and Detroit (as in the two teams that have won the last three titles! -- a lesson their for our front office perhaps) will make an offer to him considerably above what it is worth for us to match.

Thats mostly because he doesn't have any of the skills an off guard should have, poor passer, poor ball handler. hes really only good in the open court, but when it comes to half court sets or moving in traffic he doesnt utilize his athleticism very well. he had a whole year to get into the kings system, but a lot times he just looked lost. at this point it would be better to take back christie for a year.

 

[nbrans]

Geoff and Rick have a little bit of a problem seeing and understanding the usefulness of roleplayers anyway, and you can tell from their comments that they were really less enamored of Mo than were the fans. Guess he could not shoot well enough. But you throw in the money issue, the Bonzi signing, etc., and it seems far more likely that somebody who does use roleplayers in their system, such as San Antonio and Detroit (as in the two teams that have won the last three titles! -- a lesson their for our front office perhaps) will make an offer to him considerably above what it is worth for us to match.

I have to disagree a bit about your analysis of roleplayers and how it relates to the Kings, Spurs and Pistons. San Antonio absolutely utilizes roleplayers such as Bowen (defense and open 3's), Horry (clutch situations only), Barry (3 point shooting), etc.

But I don't know that I'd consider Detroit a team of role players. I don't know what player on that team you'd really consider a role player -- maybe you could make the case that Prince is a role player, although he's pretty skilled on both offense and defense, or Ben Wallace, but it's tough to call someone who dominates so thoroughly on defense and an All-Star a "role player. McDyess is a very skilled player off the bench.

I actually think that Sacramento and Detroit actually utilize similar success models, which is having multitalented players at all five positions but no superstars. Detroit's players mostly star on the defensive end and Sacramento on the ofensive end. Both models have worked -- Detroit won the championship and the Kings were a few missed free throws away from playing for a championship.

My main point is that Geoff and Rick don't have blinders on, it's just that the idea of "role players" doesn't really fit the Kings' system. Role players are great when only one or two players are going to bear the load on offense and you can have some players on the floor who are only good at one or two things. That's not the case with the Kings or the Pistons. They have to have really good players at all five positions in order to win.

Geoff and Rick didn't have blinders on when it came to Evans -- he made the playoff roster and Martin didn't. I think the Kings' interest in Evans has more to do with the fact that they have Martin already and they believed Garcia was the best player available at the draft at 23. It's a shame to lose Evans, but I think it's more of a result of circumstances than a lack of belief in his talent or role with the Kings. I'm hoping that they're able to ditch Garcia and retain Evans, but that's probably wishful thinking.

 

[hrdboild]

Thats mostly because he doesn't have any of the skills an off guard should have, poor passer, poor ball handler. hes really only good in the open court, but when it comes to half court sets or moving in traffic he doesnt utilize his athleticism very well. he had a whole year to get into the kings system, but a lot times he just looked lost. at this point it would be better to take back christie for a year.

I think Mo's biggest strength is his defense, and that's why it'd be nice if we still had him next year. He's strong enough and quick enough to guard opposing two guards, which isn't true of Martin or Garcia. On offense he goes after rebounds, he doesn't just let them come to him. Offensive rebounds are huge for a shooting team. If you get another shotclock and another shot, your offense is that much more potent. You're right that he doesn't pass or handle the ball particularly well. And he doesn't create his shot either. But he compliments our other players well because he excels in the areas they don't. Hopefully Bonzi will bring in some of that defensive intenisty and rebounding. He's a much better starter than Mo would have been. But Mo would still be the best backup we've got at SG, and 2-3 million for a backup SG is not overpaying at all, it's about market price. I know the PF problem is still the biggest and I hope we can use our resources to correct that this offseason, but we have an opportunity here to plug a hole. If we let him walk, there's no guarantee we can get that impact PF people expect us to get and then we're in even worse shape because we don't have a proven backup SG/SF either.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

But I don't know that I'd consider Detroit a team of role players. I don't know what player on that team you'd really consider a role player -- maybe you could make the case that Prince is a role player, although he's pretty skilled on both offense and defense, or Ben Wallace, but it's tough to call someone who dominates so thoroughly on defense and an All-Star a "role player. McDyess is a very skilled player off the bench.

I get the sense that you misunderstand the concept of roleplayer; Detroit has proven to utilize roleplayers more effectively than Sacramento. For starters, McDyess is a roleplayer; no matter how "skilled" he is coming off the bench, he's still a roleplayer. Hunter has also been a key roleplayer for them. Additionally, Detroit has shown a willingness to use more than just two roleplayers (as when Williamson, Okur, Hunter and Ham were used fairly extensively off the bench the year they won the championship). By comparison, Sacramento has not been nearly as effective at utilizing roleplayers, and this seems to be due to Coach Adelman's apparent reluctance to play anybody who can't hit a twenty-foot jump shot.

 

[Kings113]

I think Mo's biggest strength is his defense, and that's why it'd be nice if we still had him next year. He's strong enough and quick enough to guard opposing two guards, which isn't true of Martin or Garcia. On offense he goes after rebounds, he doesn't just let them come to him. Offensive rebounds are huge for a shooting team. If you get another shotclock and another shot, your offense is that much more potent. You're right that he doesn't pass or handle the ball particularly well. And he doesn't create his shot either. But he compliments our other players well because he excels in the areas they don't. Hopefully Bonzi will bring in some of that defensive intenisty and rebounding. He's a much better starter than Mo would have been. But Mo would still be the best backup we've got at SG, and 2-3 million for a backup SG is not overpaying at all, it's about market price. I know the PF problem is still the biggest and I hope we can use our resources to correct that this offseason, but we have an opportunity here to plug a hole. If we let him walk, there's no guarantee we can get that impact PF people expect us to get and then we're in even worse shape because we don't have a proven backup SG/SF either.

I'm with you on this.

BTW, Mo has a decent three point shot, and who knows how improved he'll be after working on his game.

 

[SacTownKid]

this love fest for evans is really getting to be absurd. he sprang to the top of a lackluster traing camp, above the likes of anwar ferguson, alton ford, tony bland, liu wei, and adam parada. If it wasn't for alexander being injured, evans probably wouldn't have even made the team. people think evans is some diamond in the rough, when hes really just some sandstone we polished up for a season. hes not gonna explode next year, and so what if hes "working on his game," so is everyone else. if he takes the offer sheet fine, if not nice knowing him.

Couldn't disagree more. Mo is NBA ready, and will become a reliable player with flashes of stardom if he gets the chance. Unfortunately I don't think it will be with the Kings next season, unless we get him super cheap.

 

[Bricklayer]

Couldn't disagree more. Mo is NBA ready, and will become a reliable player with flashes of stardom if he gets the chance. Unfortunately I don't think it will be with the Kings next season, unless we get him super cheap.

Flashes of stardom? Might be a bit much. He MIGHT be able to average double figures if he hooked up with a team that could afford to start a roleplayer and play him 30+min (and Mo was that roleplayer). And that's really only if he gets a lot more consistent. Just has a roleplayer's game -- not a very good handle, has trouble creating his own shot. Plays best off of others.

He is NBA ready as a roleplayer, and should be around for a few years. But his overall numbers were pretty modest even in his putative breakout season, and he's really not so young that you would expect him to be taking giant steps forward at this point.

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, Mo will be a good player, and a decent starter if he ever gets that chance. Which I doubt. Best chance probably would of been with the Kings this year.