TaxMan
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It’s crazy how he had everyone he’s played fooled up until the second game of summer league. Here I didn’t even realize he was missing a hand up until now. smh. It’s really sad. you really got to admire how he made it this far.
MARVIN BAGLEY III
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Mass
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Some people here have so much expectation on this guy just because he is a number 2 pick that it's crazy. If you didn't know, I have news for you: being a second pick doesn't make you a star. These are the second picks of the last 10 drafts:
Beasley, Thabeet, E. Turner, D. Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist, Oladipo, J. Parker, Russell, Ingram, Ball.
Not so many superstars, right? If you think a number 2 pick should come in and dominate, well, you are very wrong.
I can't believe people are ready to judge a kid after 2 freaking summer league games. Good thing he had a very good game one, I can't imagine the level of craziness around here if he had 2 horrible games.
Beasley, Thabeet, E. Turner, D. Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist, Oladipo, J. Parker, Russell, Ingram, Ball.
Not so many superstars, right? If you think a number 2 pick should come in and dominate, well, you are very wrong.
I can't believe people are ready to judge a kid after 2 freaking summer league games. Good thing he had a very good game one, I can't imagine the level of craziness around here if he had 2 horrible games.
sactowndog
All-Star
They are rookies. No Rookie is dominant on the floor especially a one and done player who missed the entire college summer development program because he reclassified.
You are correct he needs to develop his right handed finishing around the rim. But to right him off after 2 days of summer practice might be a little premature don’t you think?
TaxMan
Starter
Oh, I have very high expectations. The kid better pan out and be at least a low level star. Otherwise we are in deep ****. However, I’m cetainly not going to make that call after 2 summer league games. What your list tells me is that it’s not a lock; however that shouldn’t temper expectations for his career. If your point is that it might not happen right out of the gate, then I completely agree.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Actually that’s true about the history/expectations. I think it’s compounded by the fact that it’s been a decade of this (prospects not getting us encouraged). After a decade, tolerance slips a bit
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I don't recall Harden being one player who uses his off hand, if so, very rarely. He knows he's going left, teams know he's going left, the fans know too. Bosh when he played is another example I can think of, I know he isn't considered a top go to guy, unless you want to count the Raptors years but Z-Bo is another prime example and we want to label and expect Bagley to be a go to guy right away which may not even be his calling card, which is fine because the Kings will have another opportunity to assess their players heading into the 2020 lottery.
Telemachus
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I was going to bring up the same thing. Fans barely notice when players are right hand dominate, but always quick to point it out with lefties. Bagley went up against 2 players with NBA experience who are only in the NBA because of their defense. Now you watch and see how he responds. Players having bad games doesn't bother me. How they respond to those bad games is much more telling.
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Lauri Markkanen played some lousy ball last summer, and people were panicking. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/07/bu...arkkanen-denzel-valentine-hawks-cameron-payne This happens all the time. In fact, just for fun, let's take a moment to remember some Kings who did very well in Summer League.
Seth Curry, 24.3 points per game, All-NBA SL first team
Ray McCallum, SL Championship MVP
Spencer Hawes, SL All Tournament First Team
Ronnie Price, SL All Tournament Second Team
Who were the SL's most recent season MVPs?
2017 - Lonzo Ball
2016 - Tyus Jones
2015 - Kyle Anderson
2014 - Glen Rice
2013 - Jonas Valanciunas
People need to take these games a bit less seriously.
Seth Curry, 24.3 points per game, All-NBA SL first team
Ray McCallum, SL Championship MVP
Spencer Hawes, SL All Tournament First Team
Ronnie Price, SL All Tournament Second Team
Who were the SL's most recent season MVPs?
2017 - Lonzo Ball
2016 - Tyus Jones
2015 - Kyle Anderson
2014 - Glen Rice
2013 - Jonas Valanciunas
People need to take these games a bit less seriously.
Im not saying Bagley wont improve but those players like Harden and Bosh you mentioned seem to be far ahead of Bagley on using their week hand. I dont remember a lot of positions with Harden refusing to use his right hand in obvious right hand situations and getting his shot blocked because of that. Player can prefer going to his strong hand and its fine if he can put himself to a position where he can use that hand. Its the situations where its either a layup attempt with weak hand or blocked shot with strong hand that create problems. I dont recall a lot of these kind of situations with dominant offensive players where they put themselves in very bad situations because they refuse to use the week hand.
And I'd like to think Bagley as our future 1st/2nd options since we drafted him at 2 and his strengths were purely on offensive side of the ball.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Just because he was drafted at number 2 doesn't equate to him panning out the way we want him to. He is a hard worker, smart kid and has a good head on his shoulder. I'd imagine within time and repetition, he will continue to work on his weaknesses. Him using his off hand is not at the top of the list as far as development in my eyes, there are more pressing issues such as a consistent jump shot to expand his game. In the mean time, expect him to do a lot of the dirty work and get put backs, catch lobs and hit the occasional three. Which is fine in my eyes for a rookie season so long as he shows promise from the start of the season until the end.
SCKingsfan
Bench
I know I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I noted a few weeks ago that every single clip I'd ever seen of Bagley, he scored with his left hand. Seriously, not one right-handed move in the 35 to 40 minutes of clips I saw, and some were play-by-play of games he played in college. He has a lot of work to do if he wants to be a post scorer in the NBA
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burekijogurt
Starter
We will see how Ayton does once he faces NBA level defenders in the summer league. His production in college was similar to that of Bagley so while no conclusive conclusions will be drawn at least we will have a reference point of some sort.
Shows he isn’t working on his weaknesses.
I didn’t write him off. I criticized him. Don’t be dramatic
Livinthedream
All-Star
It shows no one has been able to stop his strength before.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Nah, stick around. There is safety in numbers. We need sane posters.
I utilized the ignore button for the first time today. You should too.
That's pretty much what Doug was saying. He and Grant also indicated they have every reason to believe the kid is smart enough to figure out a way to turn this to his advantage in a short period of time.
Since you watched all those clips, did you notice that he dribbles up court with his right hand? I thought I saw that several times yesterday but don't want to have to wade through tons of clips to verify.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
He averaged 20 points in his rookie year, but he took 17 per game to get them, and he was on a crappy team and we know how crappy teams inflate stats anyway. He averaged only 43% in field goal percentage, and a measly 29% on his 3s. His rebounding was only 4.4 per game and his assists were a putrid 2.4 per game. So essentially he was a chucker and that's all he ever would be - a chucker. And by the way, he did not play defense. He was a chucker who didn't get rebounds, didn't get assists, and didn't defend. He was so damned skinny he could be nothing other than a skinny chucker.
would never make it in the NBA. He certainly would never live up to the hype.
Kevin Durant
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
He averaged 8.2 points per game in his rookie season, shooting a whopping 41% from the field and a 21% from the 3 point line. He averaged 3.4 rebounds per game, one assist per game, he was lousy on defense, and was obviously a big white 7 foot stiff who was headed for the dumpster.
You think this guy is going to be a Hall of Famer? Are you out of your freaking mind?
Only an idiot would think this guy is Hall of Fame material.
You think this guy is going to be a Hall of Famer? Are you out of your freaking mind?
Dirk Nowitski was Dunkirk Nowitski, No-witski, Who-witski?
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Nice. Gotta admit I didn't know where you were going at first.
I added the spoiler tags for intrigue.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
This sucky sucky player put up 14.5 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.5 spg, 1.2 bpg on a godawful .30 FG% in 30 minutes a game in his rookie Summer League. Obviously would never amount to anything.
Should also be noted that Quincy Douby once average 22 ppg in summer league so being good in July isn't really an indicator of anything either.
Should also be noted that Quincy Douby once average 22 ppg in summer league so being good in July isn't really an indicator of anything either.
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Could you @them so they know who you are talking about? Then everyone knows who you are reffering to when you talk about what "some" and "people" should be doing. I can recognize only one poster and it would be nice to know the rest
TBH, I feel like we've given Marvin too much of a leash. Most guys only get 1 day of work before judging how their 15 year career is going to play out. Just Kings fans being homers I guess.
Oh, I'm pretty sure they know.
People who bring opposing views and support them aren't a problem, even if they may be swimming against the tide so to speak. What I was referring to are/were the few who make matter-of-fact statements about how bad a player is without any basis in fact or reality. They don't even attempt to have an honest debate/discussion. Think of Jay Bilas on the Carmichael Dave show. SCKingsfan
Bench
I didn't notice that - I just was noting what hand he finishes with around the rim. From what I've seen, it's almost exclusively the left hand.
TaxMan
Starter
I watched a lot of those highlights and do agree that he is heavily, HEAVILY, left dominant. With that said, When I watched him in full games over the course of the college season, I was not focused on it. It’s very possible that highlight clips accentuate plays with his left because those are his BEST plays. It’s not like the guy has never made a shot or dribbled with his right, but likely efficiency goes way down. It is clearly something he needs to work on, but this is no surprise. Every scouting report I read had defense and left hand dominant as his two ‘cons’ (in either order....). Yet somehow he put up one of the most dominant college seasons in the past decade and was still consensus top of the draft ranked. This is all not a surprise (and if Vlade and team scouts are, we are in trouble). I think part of the offsets to those cons that the team liked was his attitude and work ethic that got them comfortable he can work on those areas. Imagine....a 19 year old that isn’t a finished project. What a shock!
Let’s let it play out a bit. As a reminder....we are not only just talking about game two of summer league, but it’s summer league games that are a week earlier than normal Vegas summer league. Last year at this time the SL squad was still in practice for game 1. Chill.........
