MARVIN BAGLEY III

[Kingsfan23]

I’m going to be honest, my intuitional read, take that for what it is, after two games, is that he will be a role player, with positives and negatives, falling short of the franchise player you’d like at 2. In retrospect, he will not be considered the second best prospect of this class, at all.

What does that mean? I can take the notion of it if I think of him as the 7th pick (we never moved up), having to pay the difference to get Vlade sufficiently out of the head decision making role and Vivek learning his lesson on who should be hired for the task (a vetted person with previous experience)

I still hope he will be a good match for De’aaron though in the coming years

 

[Sam0ah]

I think Marvin is going to do quite well in this league. He is showing flashes of what he can be. I believe he is having trouble with the physicality of nba. He doesn't look strong enough yet. That will come....

 

[John Galt]

a short break from KF might be due. Seems to be a critical mass of crazy and/or magical people who can determine 19 year old basketball player career paths after two summer league games. I mean for the sake of sanity... might just stick to twitter for a little while (unless there is some trade to talk about).

cheer up everyone it is just a scrimmage.... good God.

 

[sactowndog]

I’m going to be honest, my intuitional read, take that for what it is, after two games, is that he will be a role player, with positives and negatives, falling short of the franchise player you’d like at 2. In retrospect, he will not be considered the second best prospect of this class, at all.

What does that mean? I can take the notion of it if I think of him as the 7th pick (we never moved up), having to pay the difference to get Vlade sufficiently out of the head decision making role and Vivek learning his lesson on who should be hired for the task (a vetted person with previous experience)

I still hope he will be a good match for De’aaron though in the coming years

I’m curious if you saw both games and what you base your conclusions on?

 

[Joer]

They should cut both of them

Dramatic much

 

[Joer]

Why can’t you just be happy we got the guy? He is 19, nowhere near a finished product. You act like all the top prospects were chomping at the bit to come here. MBIII was ecstatic to come to Sac.

He might be the most athletic player in Kings history. He is a student of the game and has limitless intangibles. Seems odd to dump on him so soon, we are stoked.

I am happy. But I expect Nba players to be able to play both hands.. more on vlade for taking him number two

 

[sactowndog]

a short break from KF might be due. Seems to be a critical mass of crazy and/or magical people who can determine 19 year old basketball player career paths after two summer league games. I mean for the sake of sanity... might just stick to twitter for a little while (unless there is some trade to talk about).

cheer up everyone it is just a scrimmage.... good God.

Yeah especially since in game 1 he played well and in game 2 not so well. Definitely a clear trend here on how he will perform

 

[NYKingsfan]

People are so quick to judge. I have said time and time again that I believe Marvin will be great. Why? A combination of skill and determination. I have said in previous posts that the NBA is littered with skilled players and effort players. You can survive in the league with either of those traits. When you have BOTH..watch out. That is where the greats come from. MNIII will be the best King since CWebb. Look at his body language in the huddles. Laser focus upon the coach. Asking questions. He is driven to be great. He will not be 19 forever.

 

[sactowndog]

Dramatic much

Dude your sarcasm meter might be worse than mine. Lol

 

[Padrino]

a short break from KF might be due. Seems to be a critical mass of crazy and/or magical people who can determine 19 year old basketball player career paths after two summer league games. I mean for the sake of sanity... might just stick to twitter for a little while (unless there is some trade to talk about).

cheer up everyone it is just a scrimmage.... good God.

Because Twitter is, of course, a bastion of level-headedness devoid of even the most lukewarm of takes.

 

[John Galt]

Because Twitter is, of course, a bastion of level-headedness devoid of even the most lukewarm of takes.

but on twitter even the worst take is limited to about 140 characters of horsecrap - which helps.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Dramatic much

LOL!

 

[biltalent]

I’m going to be honest, my intuitional read, take that for what it is, after two games, is that he will be a role player, with positives and negatives, falling short of the franchise player you’d like at 2. In retrospect, he will not be considered the second best prospect of this class, at all.

What does that mean? I can take the notion of it if I think of him as the 7th pick (we never moved up), having to pay the difference to get Vlade sufficiently out of the head decision making role and Vivek learning his lesson on who should be hired for the task (a vetted person with previous experience)

I still hope he will be a good match for De’aaron though in the coming years

I respect your opinion, but man, how can you come to the conclusion that a guy that is 6'11", has elite ahleticism, dominated college at a historic rate after skipping high school, apparently has a great character and work ethic and that now comes to summer league at age 19, immediately delivers one of the most impressive poster dunks I have seen in this setting in his first game, already shows he can shoot nba 3s and just blocked a shot, grabbed the rebound, runs up the court with it, and drives past the defender for an and-one.. that this guys ceiling is role player?

I'm far from an Bagley apologist, but this strikes me as odd.

 

[Blob]

Bagley obviously struggled last night. This adversity is good when you respond with renewed determination and dedication. And extract the lessons from the experience. That was probably the worst game Bagley had since high school. Maybe it was his worst game ever! Adversity makes you stronger when you have the champion DNA. I don't worry about Bagley at all. What I want to see from him these games whether he goes 10-12 FGs or 3-20 FGs is what is his comfort away from the basket? Can he make plays from top of the key with the dribble drive? Can he rebound and start (and finish) the break? Can he defend in space? These are the important questions to be answered. His post game is going to come. His rebounding is going to come. How expansive is his game away from the basket? This is going to portend how good he can be and how soon. This is what an astute observer will watch for instead of having these nervous hyperbolic reactions when he misses a few shots in a row.

 

[biltalent]

Bagley obviously struggled last night. This adversity is good when you respond with renewed determination and dedication. And extract the lessons from the experience. That was probably the worst game Bagley had since high school. Maybe it was his worst game ever! Adversity makes you stronger when you have the champion DNA. I don't worry about Bagley at all. What I want to see from him these games whether he goes 10-12 FGs or 3-20 FGs is what is his comfort away from the basket? Can he make plays from top of the key with the dribble drive? Can he rebound and start (and finish) the break? Can he defend in space? These are the important questions to be answered. His post game is going to come. His rebounding is going to come. How expansive is his game away from the basket? This is going to portend how good he can be and how soon. This is what an astute observer will watch for instead of having these nervous hyperbolic reactions when he misses a few shots in a row.

Exactly. The play where started and finished the break was insane. You can probably count the 6'11" guys that can do this in the league on one hand. I think we are loosing perspective here.

 

[Kingster]

It's a process....

 

[burekijogurt]

I’m going to be honest, my intuitional read, take that for what it is, after two games, is that he will be a role player, with positives and negatives, falling short of the franchise player you’d like at 2. In retrospect, he will not be considered the second best prospect of this class, at all.

What does that mean? I can take the notion of it if I think of him as the 7th pick (we never moved up), having to pay the difference to get Vlade sufficiently out of the head decision making role and Vivek learning his lesson on who should be hired for the task (a vetted person with previous experience)

I still hope he will be a good match for De’aaron though in the coming years

I understand your concerns about Bagely. Not sure though if you are saying that Bagley would have gone around 7 (or lower) as the more vetted and experienced GMs that followed the Kings in the draft would have recognized these concerns that Vlade was unable to recognize and pass on him?

 

[burekijogurt]

Exactly. The play where started and finished the break was insane. You can probably count the 6'11" guys that can do this in the league on one hand. I think we are loosing perspective here.

WCS one of them.. Or maybe he just talked about being able to do it...

 

[burekijogurt]

Too early to judge Bagely. All we can say for now is that he struggles in the low post especially when the paint is packed and well defended.. we shall see..

 

[sactowndog]

Too early to judge Bagely. All we can say for now is that he struggles in the low post especially when the paint is packed and well defended.. we shall see..

A more accurately he needs to learn how to pass to open shooters when the paint is packed.

 

[VF21]

I am happy. But I expect Nba players to be able to play both hands.. more on vlade for taking him number two

This is just delusional. NOBODY in the freaking league is saying Vlade made a mistake by taking someone who is left-hand dominant. You know why? Because it's a crap argument. This idea that Valde made a mistake after TWO pre-summer games is silly.

 

[VF21]

I respect your opinion, but man, how can you come to the conclusion that a guy that is 6'11", has elite ahleticism, dominated college at a historic rate after skipping high school, apparently has a great character and work ethic and that now comes to summer league at age 19, immediately delivers one of the most impressive poster dunks I have seen in this setting in his first game, already shows he can shoot nba 3s and just blocked a shot, grabbed the rebound, runs up the court with it, and drives past the defender for an and-one.. that this guys ceiling is role player?

I'm far from an Bagley apologist, but this strikes me as odd.

There are always a few posters who, right from the start, take the most pessimistic view of things. In this case, it appears we have 3 or 4. I don't understand them, for the simple reason they're talking about the player you just described and pretty much every single GM in the league thinks he was a worthy pick at #2.

My thought is let him and Giles and our other summer league kids get the kinks out. Let them go into training camp feeling good about each other and let the real learning process begin as they face pre-season and their first year in the NBA. We're not in a hurry here. Rebuilding is not for the faint of heart but unfortunately some - even some who clamored for the youth movement to begin with - seem to forget that.

There's reason to hope, there's reason to enjoy the journey. I just wish people could find a way to do that once in a while instead of getting ulcers after every little bump in the road.

 

[VF21]

but on twitter even the worst take is limited to about 140 characters of horsecrap - which helps.

Um, I don't know how to tell you this, but it's now 280 characters.

 

[burekijogurt]

A more accurately he needs to learn how to pass to open shooters when the paint is packed.

and that paint will be much less packed once bogdan and buddy are on the floor. someone mentioned (i think 206) that Bagley and Giles (especially with Fox on the floor) might not be the best option as of yet.

 

[ESP47]

Bagley obviously struggled last night. This adversity is good when you respond with renewed determination and dedication. And extract the lessons from the experience. That was probably the worst game Bagley had since high school. Maybe it was his worst game ever! Adversity makes you stronger when you have the champion DNA. I don't worry about Bagley at all. What I want to see from him these games whether he goes 10-12 FGs or 3-20 FGs is what is his comfort away from the basket? Can he make plays from top of the key with the dribble drive? Can he rebound and start (and finish) the break? Can he defend in space? These are the important questions to be answered. His post game is going to come. His rebounding is going to come. How expansive is his game away from the basket? This is going to portend how good he can be and how soon. This is what an astute observer will watch for instead of having these nervous hyperbolic reactions when he misses a few shots in a row.

So Trae Young with a similar game is garbage but for Bagley the adversity is good and was a learning experience.

Quite the spin Blob lol

 

[Gguod]

There are players that are one hand dominant in the league and despite defenses knowing to take it away, they still use that hand and/or go in that direction, Bagley will be fine. I don't believe he needs to develop a right hand shot from the bat, he needs to get a feel from the league and see what he can do in a organized setting, something that isn't summer league or preseason and then from there just grow every year and add to your game.

There are a lot of good NBA players that are right hand dominant and can't finish with their left hand, but most people don't bring that up because it is so common.

I think Bagley can develop the his right hand in time.

But, I think being a lefty would be more difficult for most defenders to defend, because the majority of player are used to defending against right hand dominant players.

There are a lot of players who storngly prefer their dominant hand. Alltough there arent many top players/go to guys that cant use their week hand. Atm it looks to me that Bagley is one of the worst case of these one hand dominant players (at least for a go to go guy/ 2nd option) and thats why I said its bigger problem that I thought. I originally just thougt that he didnt use his right hand because he didnt have to since he wad most of the time the superior athlete. Right now it looks like he allmost refuses to use his right hand and its a problem if you want to be a go to guy.

And since we drafted him, I dont want to sh*t on Bagley. He had a lot of positives on those two games: his effort on defense, not being afraid to take threes which is very important for him and I'm very happy he takes them even if he doesnt make them. But, its obvious his lack of right hand is a problem right now. Especially in one-on-one iso situations. Obviously we have to hope and assume he can improve it to a level that he can make a contested right handed lay up.

 

[Blob]

So Trae Young with a similar game is garbage but for Bagley the adversity is good and was a learning experience.

Quite the spin Blob lol

Bagley is not overmatched physically and athletically like Young. That's the distinction. My concern with Young has been when goes up against NBA athletes he's not going to be able to consistently get clean looks. He's not going to be able to shake his man so he has to settle for 30 footers. Even when he made a couple of layups in transition he had to resort to high degree of difficult shots on the opposite side of the rim. Whether he makes the shot or not it does not portend high efficiency. With Bagley his shots have been decent to good quality except when the defense forces him to his right and he insists on going into the D with his left hand. But we already knew this. Trae Young in my mind should have been a mid 1st round draft pick. Collin Sexton is the better prospect.

 

[Hoovtrain]

This is just delusional. NOBODY in the freaking league is saying Vlade made a mistake by taking someone who is left-hand dominant. You know why? Because it's a crap argument. This idea that Valde made a mistake after TWO pre-summer games is silly.

I think it’s clear that someone’s player of choice was not taken so they are now just crapping on MB. Although I saw the same person crapping on Giles as well so thinking maybe they just like crapping on anything kings

 

[sactowndog]

So Trae Young with a similar game is garbage but for Bagley the adversity is good and was a learning experience.

Quite the spin Blob lol

Except Trae has had two bad games and Bagley is one for one.

Let’s be honest, if we drafted Bagley expecting him to make contested 3’s like he took last night we are sadly mistaken. He can hit wide open 3’s but when contested he misses badly.

 

[Joer]

This is just delusional. NOBODY in the freaking league is saying Vlade made a mistake by taking someone who is left-hand dominant. You know why? Because it's a crap argument. This idea that Valde made a mistake after TWO pre-summer games is silly.

No it’s an argument that makes sense. Your opinion is based on blind feelings and that’s crap. And not the left hand dominant...the no right hand. Number 2 picks should be dominant on the floor IMO.