Marty Burns: Artest may be a good fit for Heat

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After his team lost to the Knicks last Friday, its fifth defeat in seven games, Dwyane Wade could no longer hide his frustration over the Heat's sluggish play.

"Something has got to change," Wade said. "Something has got to happen. I will leave it up to your imagination [what it should be]."
Miami apparently will take a step in that direction soon when it signs veteran guard Eddie Jones, waived by the Grizzlies on Tuesday, to shore up its perimeter depth. The Heat are also still seeking a point guard, with veteran forward James Posey as the trade bait.

But will Jones and/or some second-string castoff point guard be enough to cure what ails the Heat, currently mired in ninth place -- out of the playoff field -- in the East? Will either provide the scoring help Shaquille O'Neal and Wade need? Will either provide the emotional spark the defending champs have been lacking?

Maybe the guy the Heat should be pursuing is Ron Artest.

Yes, Artest is a head case. Yes, he can cause problems. Yes, he might wander off to South Beach in the middle of the season to promote a rap album.

But Artest, who has been rumored to be on the trade block in Sacramento, is also one of the best two-way swingmen in the game. He can shoot from long range. He can score inside. He can pass. Best of all for a Pat Riley-coached team, he can defend.

With Artest in the lineup, Jamal Crawford won't be going for 52 points -- hitting 16 straight field goals at one point -- as he did against Miami in that loss that prompted Wade's frustration.
The question for Riley and the Heat is whether they have anything to lose at this point. Maybe they'd be better off sticking with their current roster and hoping Shaq gets back to full strength. But Shaq has not looked anything close to 100 percent (he sat out Tuesday night's win over the Bucks because of his lingering knee issues) and it might be a long time, if at all, before he can dominate.

Besides, the Heat look like a team in need of a spark. They need something to get their home crowd fired up again and those role players excited about going to the arena each night. Artest certainly would create a buzz at the box office, while also giving the Heat a needed dimension on the court.

Would the Kings go for it? Who knows? Sacramento general manager Geoff Petrie is playing his cards close to the vest, even saying recently that he wasn't looking to deal his mercurial swingman. Few around the NBA seem to believe him.

At any rate, Miami could offer Posey and his expiring contract to the Kings, along with maybe a future first-round pick or young player. In Posey, Sacramento would get a solid veteran defender for the rest of the season. It could then either re-sign him this summer or use him in a sign-and-trade. Even if Posey walked away for nothing, the Kings still come out ahead because they rid themselves of Artest and the remaining two years and $14.8 million on his contract.

Again, any GM would have to be very careful before taking on Artest. As I wrote in a recent blog, he is just too big a risk to team chemistry. Just ask the Bulls, Pacers and Kings.

But as one Eastern Conference GM told me last week, Miami might be the one team that could bring out the best in Artest. They have two superstars in Shaq and Wade who command respect. They also have other veterans such as Alonzo Mourning and Antoine Walker to keep Artest in line.

Riley, meanwhile, is a coach who loves hard-nosed players with a bit of an edge. Xavier McDaniel. Anthony Mason. John Starks. Bruce Bowen. Artest just might buy into Riley and his championship rings the way Dennis Rodman bought into Phil Jackson when he joined the Bulls.

"Riley himself, I'd think he relish it," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. "It's a challenge."

Walsh said the Heat showed interest in Artest last year but didn't have the particular pieces needed to get a deal done. He also said he was reluctant to deal him to another East contender. Likewise, the Kings no doubt would rather ship Artest to Miami rather than a conference rival.

As for Artest, one has to believe he'd love to be in a major media market. It certainly wouldn't hurt his music career. Artest reportedly wanted to be traded to Los Angeles last year for that reason before he wound up in Sacramento.

"As of right now Ron's a member of the Kings," Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, said this week. "He's happy to be in Sacramento. He doesn't want to be traded. But it's a business. If it happens, we'll deal with it."

Maybe it's just too risky for the Heat. But Artest can play. It all depends on how much Miami is willing to risk to defend its title.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/marty_burns/01/31/artest.heat/
 
Fine, and I've mentioend that possibility before. But they pretty much better be offering Posey's ender, a young player (Wright) AND their #1 THIS year before I'm even listening for a Ron Artest type player. He is not remotely a salary dump guy.
 
Would they consider taking Artest AND Bibby, giving up Posey, J-Will and Haslem? Works under the cap, according to Real GM. Haslem may be too valuable to them -- not sure how'd they'd backfill -- but the Heat would solve a couple of problems and so would we.
 
Would they consider taking Artest AND Bibby, giving up Posey, J-Will and Haslem? Works under the cap, according to Real GM. Haslem may be too valuable to them -- not sure how'd they'd backfill -- but the Heat would solve a couple of problems and so would we.



No we wouldn't. We only need Wright, an expiring and a 1st from them, and that can probably be attained with 1 of Mike/Ron. The other one can be used in a different trade for more assets/young players. No need to do that trade, where we take back inferior players at each position without getting younger and getting picks.
 
Fine, and I've mentioend that possibility before. But they pretty much better be offering Posey's ender, a young player (Wright) AND their #1 THIS year before I'm even listening for a Ron Artest type player. He is not remotely a salary dump guy.

What kind of player is Dorrell Wright? I have not seen the Heat much this year.

But I would make that deal.
 
Had tried to post this sometime back, but I guess the server was having some issues. Some other people have put in similar posts since

Also saw this on ESPN.com rumour central

"Jan 31 - One NBA general manager said Tuesday that even though there is a market for James Posey's expiring contract, there's little quality available among point guards on the trade market. The Heat always has liked Mike Bibby, but Sacramento has no interest in Miami's available commodities. -- Miami Herald"

Any takers for trading Bibby to Miami for JWill (he has one more year), Posey, picks etc. Now that they are signing Eddie, they might be willing to give away Posey as well.

Unless we clean up space, we shall have major cap issues in 2008 (assuming Bibby doesn't opt out). This could be a chance to move in a rebuild mode.
 
No we wouldn't. We only need Wright, an expiring and a 1st from them, and that can probably be attained with 1 of Mike/Ron. The other one can be used in a different trade for more assets/young players. No need to do that trade, where we take back inferior players at each position without getting younger and getting picks.

What does Wright do for the Kings that Martin and Garcia don't? He's 6-8, 205. Had some nice games, but isn't he backing up Jason Kapono?

What inferior players are we taking back? Yes, J-Will would be a stopgap, but for one year. Meanwhile, Posey's an expiring and I'd consider Haslem a (young) upgrade at the power forward spot?

Sure, if we can trade Mike and Ron separately and get more assets, I'm all for it. Of course, none of us know what kind of value either guy has.
 
I wonder if Miami would go for something like Artest/Kenny for Posey/Haslem/1st? Haslem has been a bit of a disappointment for them and he's been losing PT, but of course he would look like a bed of roses from the Kings' perspective.
 
Getting rid of Mike would definitely signify the beginning of a rebuild. I would love to see Mike have the chance to go to a potential playoff contender. If the offer is right then I think we should do it (which I'm not sure they could do). Same goes for Artest.
 
I wonder if Miami would go for something like Artest/Kenny for Posey/Haslem/1st? Haslem has been a bit of a disappointment for them and he's been losing PT, but of course he would look like a bed of roses from the Kings' perspective.

I just wonder whether other GMs hang up the phone the second the words "Kenny Thomas" escape Petrie's lips ;)
 
Probably true. If we could move Kenny and get a 1st rounder the deal would probably already be done by now.

No doubt.

Miami strikes me as a good target, because the expectations have to be high there and there's so much uncertainty about Shaq. If there's a better potential trade partner -- in the sense that both teams could end up with something to help them -- not sure who it is.
 
What does Wright do for the Kings that Martin and Garcia don't? He's 6-8, 205. Had some nice games, but isn't he backing up Jason Kapono?

What inferior players are we taking back? Yes, J-Will would be a stopgap, but for one year. Meanwhile, Posey's an expiring and I'd consider Haslem a (young) upgrade at the power forward spot?

Sure, if we can trade Mike and Ron separately and get more assets, I'm all for it. Of course, none of us know what kind of value either guy has.


Why not get the valuable young guy(Wright) and a pick anyway?

BTW Wright was getting PT under Riley, then Rothstein became head coach for them and he seems to hate Wright. Trust me though, he is a really good defensive player with a ton of athleticism and a good wing span. He locked Kobe up on Christmas day. I've seen a couple of his games, the guy is going to be a good player. And we can get a pick out of them too.
 
Why not get the valuable young guy(Wright) and a pick anyway?

BTW Wright was getting PT under Riley, then Rothstein became head coach for them and he seems to hate Wright. Trust me though, he is a really good defensive player with a ton of athleticism and a good wing span. He locked Kobe up on Christmas day. I've seen a couple of his games, the guy is going to be a good player. And we can get a pick out of them too.

Not saying I don't want Wright -- hey, he was on my fantasy team for a week, so I know he can play -- just wondering if there's an opportunity here to go even farther and do what so many on the board seem to want: dump older players with big salaries, get younger, get a more athletic power forward, add another draft pick.

Like I said in another post, some type of Kings-Heat deal might make sense for both sides. The Heat probably isn't ready to write off the season and may be willing to take a couple of big-money vets for a shot at another ring. If the Kings are ready to rebuild -- after the loss to Memphis, even I don't object -- adding a Haslem or Wright, an expiring contract, and an unprotected first-rounder while shedding salary makes sense.
 
What kind of player is Dorrell Wright? I have not seen the Heat much this year.

But I would make that deal.


As far as impact, Wright is the Heat's version of Garcia. He's more of an athletic, power swing, whereas Garcia is more of a finesse, shooter. Both are hustling, do-it-all players and both have shown flashes of their potential playmaking abilities. Both still make bone headed decisions that keeps them on the bench. Wright needs to work on his jumpshot, but he's young and has upside.

Heat fans really like him because of the chemistry he has with Wade, and sees him and Wade as the future of the franchise.

The reason why Kapono is starting is because they need a shooter, and Kapono is only playing about a minute more than Wright.
 
Had tried to post this sometime back, but I guess the server was having some issues. Some other people have put in similar posts since

Also saw this on ESPN.com rumour central

"Jan 31 - One NBA general manager said Tuesday that even though there is a market for James Posey's expiring contract, there's little quality available among point guards on the trade market. The Heat always has liked Mike Bibby, but Sacramento has no interest in Miami's available commodities. -- Miami Herald"

Any takers for trading Bibby to Miami for JWill (he has one more year), Posey, picks etc. Now that they are signing Eddie, they might be willing to give away Posey as well.

Unless we clean up space, we shall have major cap issues in 2008 (assuming Bibby doesn't opt out). This could be a chance to move in a rebuild mode.


We've been discussing that deal over in the other thread...the idea behind being....

Bibby
Thomas
Hart

for

Doleac
Wright
Williams
Posey
lottery protected 1st
 
I think this article is just someone inventing rumors for the sake of having rumors. Trading away Ron ARtest for garbage is just ridiculous. We're not interested in expirings for Ron because 1, his expires end of next year, and 2, he only makes 6.8 million this year, making him one of the bargains of the nba.

As far as the trade of bibby & artest for the heat's garbage? What what what?

The heat just don't have any tradeable commodities and their picks over the next few years won't be high.

Can't see any of this rubbish happening.
 
I think this article is just someone inventing rumors for the sake of having rumors. Trading away Ron ARtest for garbage is just ridiculous. We're not interested in expirings for Ron because 1, his expires end of next year, and 2, he only makes 6.8 million this year, making him one of the bargains of the nba.

As far as the trade of bibby & artest for the heat's garbage? What what what?

The heat just don't have any tradeable commodities and their picks over the next few years won't be high.

Can't see any of this rubbish happening.

how many losses will we miss out on because of the difference of play between artest and james posey? a good young player (wright), an ender, and a 1st round pick is a good sensible package for artest. you said it yourself, he's going to be gone after next year anyways, might as well get some youngs, enders, and picks while we add ping pong balls for a kickass draft.
 
No we wouldn't. We only need Wright, an expiring and a 1st from them, and that can probably be attained with 1 of Mike/Ron. The other one can be used in a different trade for more assets/young players. No need to do that trade, where we take back inferior players at each position without getting younger and getting picks.

totally agreed.
 
I think this article is just someone inventing rumors for the sake of having rumors. Trading away Ron ARtest for garbage is just ridiculous. We're not interested in expirings for Ron because 1, his expires end of next year, and 2, he only makes 6.8 million this year, making him one of the bargains of the nba.

As far as the trade of bibby & artest for the heat's garbage? What what what?

The heat just don't have any tradeable commodities and their picks over the next few years won't be high.

Can't see any of this rubbish happening.
Ditto. You don't dump a guy like Artest for a journeyman, a kid who could one day become a journeyman and an iffy mid/late 20s draft pick. Can you say talent bleed? When you consider that we have the services of a legitimate impact player in this league for a little over the MLE, you just don't do this trade. A good salary dump is when you trade a bloated contract in return for expiring contracts and/or picks. Bleeding talent and throwing away lean contracts is just plain dumb if you want to do a smart rebuild.
 
Ditto. You don't dump a guy like Artest for a journeyman, a kid who could one day become a journeyman and an iffy mid/late 20s draft pick. Can you say talent bleed? When you consider that we have the services of a legitimate impact player in this league for a little over the MLE, you just don't do this trade. A good salary dump is when you trade a bloated contract in return for expiring contracts and/or picks. Bleeding talent and throwing away lean contracts is just plain dumb if you want to do a smart rebuild.


None of the above applies with Ron Artest -- his actual "value" is approximately half of his talent, and the risk he poses to you is always in the background. Next year we are going to be faced with the prospect of either committing long term giant $$ to such an unstable force, or to watch him walk. He may in fact not even give us that choice with more glamorous cities beckoning, and ones with better teams/coaches.

And a few notes: 1) Wright is already a rotation worthy player for a young team. Doubt he'll become a star, but he could easily become a starter (did well for the Heat in that role). 2) that pick may well be sub 20, and if not almost surely early 20s. Miami is too far back to push up into the 50s in wins, Ron or no Ron. 3) Posey is obviously just an ender, but his ender then makes us players in the free agent market that could net us another good player.
 
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Why not get the valuable young guy(Wright) and a pick anyway?

BTW Wright was getting PT under Riley, then Rothstein became head coach for them and he seems to hate Wright. Trust me though, he is a really good defensive player with a ton of athleticism and a good wing span. He locked Kobe up on Christmas day. I've seen a couple of his games, the guy is going to be a good player. And we can get a pick out of them too.


It has more to do with Wade and Shaq getting healthy than either coach's personal preference for Wright. Wright is definitley a talented youngster (he's only 21, he was drafted out of high school), the problem for him in Miami is that he is stuck in the same situation with them that Gerald Wallace was with us. Miami is still a contender and their window to win is now, so they are more interested in playing veterans and doing what it takes to win the championship now. As a result, Wright is burried on their bench unless there are injuries. However, he has shown a lot of potential when he has played. If the right deal was to come along, he is definitley a player I would want, he has far more upside than Garcia.
 
petrie NEEDS to get something done with miami for bibby or artest. they're too good of trading partner not to. Get it DONE Petrie!!!!
 
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