Martin now NBA's 2nd leading scorer! (title updated)
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I think he hasn't.
Let's just suppose, for the sake of argument, that Martin can keep this up all season... if the Kings carry on winning one out of every four games, his scoring average isn't going to impress me not even a little bit.
I respect and appreciate the hustle and effort, but no, I'm not going to let myself get "excited" about Martin being "fourth in the league" in scoring, if you don't mind. Now, if he's still doing it at the All-Star Break, I'll re-evaluate my opinion, and issue a public retraction. But, for right now, I'm firmly in "wait and see" mode.
Let's just suppose, for the sake of argument, that Martin can keep this up all season... if the Kings carry on winning one out of every four games, his scoring average isn't going to impress me not even a little bit.
I respect and appreciate the hustle and effort, but no, I'm not going to let myself get "excited" about Martin being "fourth in the league" in scoring, if you don't mind. Now, if he's still doing it at the All-Star Break, I'll re-evaluate my opinion, and issue a public retraction. But, for right now, I'm firmly in "wait and see" mode.
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In my mind, the problem with the "long term view" is that we cannot then live in the moment and appreciate what we have. At the moment, Kevin ranks 4th in the league. A month from now, he could be 4th from the bottom (although very doubtful). At least my looking at today's stats, I get to feel happy in the moment instead of letting that little bit of happiness pass me by.
I don't mind in the least if you don't get excited. It isn't going to change how I feel in the least.
I was there last night. I felt the excitement and it was GOOD to have Arco feel that way again. And Kevin Martin was a HUGE part of our success last night.
Was it transitory or something that will continue? No one knows for sure but if Kevin continues to improve the way he has so far, I think my money would be on the latter and not the former.
I find my joys from the Kings when and where I can. If you don't, that's fine...for you.
This thread, as I mentioned above, echoes comments on KTHK, in the Bee, on sports talks shows, etc. People are talking about Kevin being 4th in the league in scoring thus far. And I suspect they'll continue to talk about it as long as they can.
If the Kings end up having a losing season, which is still a pretty safe assumption, I'm going to celebrate whatever else I can in anticipation of the time when I can celebrate a return to days when winning outnumbered losing.
My thought on this - and I know I've said it before - is those who are finding reasons to be positive don't need to have their hopes dashed on the rocks by those who view most everything about the team in a negative light. On the other hand, those who are seeing only the minus can't possibly have their hopes dashed - for the simple reason they have none.
There are still a lot of things that can be discussed, aren't there?
I was there last night. I felt the excitement and it was GOOD to have Arco feel that way again. And Kevin Martin was a HUGE part of our success last night.
Was it transitory or something that will continue? No one knows for sure but if Kevin continues to improve the way he has so far, I think my money would be on the latter and not the former.
I find my joys from the Kings when and where I can. If you don't, that's fine...for you.
This thread, as I mentioned above, echoes comments on KTHK, in the Bee, on sports talks shows, etc. People are talking about Kevin being 4th in the league in scoring thus far. And I suspect they'll continue to talk about it as long as they can.
If the Kings end up having a losing season, which is still a pretty safe assumption, I'm going to celebrate whatever else I can in anticipation of the time when I can celebrate a return to days when winning outnumbered losing.
My thought on this - and I know I've said it before - is those who are finding reasons to be positive don't need to have their hopes dashed on the rocks by those who view most everything about the team in a negative light. On the other hand, those who are seeing only the minus can't possibly have their hopes dashed - for the simple reason they have none.
There are still a lot of things that can be discussed, aren't there?
I can only speak for myself, Slim. I think what you perceive as a somewhat hypocritical pile on was (at least for me) a time when I chose to comment and "fight back" at what has been going on around here lately.
Hopefully, jon e understands that I was attempting to explain my philosophy and will not take it personally. jon e, if it was taken personally, I apologize, as that was not my intention.
I have no problem with Slim's posts as they are usually if not always simply his view of the Kings and he has the perfect right to his views. This comment by me may surprise some people because I have objected to negativism but my objection to some posts has nothing to do with a negative analysis of the Kings.
Opinions are opinions and I don't think Slim has ever represented his views as anything but his opinion and that is absolutely fine with me as it sometimes gives me something to ponder.
Here's an example: Slim writes, "I think he hasn't" as opposed to "he hasn't." One way (Slim's) of stating a simple concept is clearly an opinion and the 2nd way (mine) of stating things sounds more like a statement of fact.
Opinions are opinions and I don't think Slim has ever represented his views as anything but his opinion and that is absolutely fine with me as it sometimes gives me something to ponder.
Here's an example: Slim writes, "I think he hasn't" as opposed to "he hasn't." One way (Slim's) of stating a simple concept is clearly an opinion and the 2nd way (mine) of stating things sounds more like a statement of fact.
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Good points all around. So now can we get back to the original topic of the thread?
If Kevin Martin is doing this well with virtually NO help, isn't it a reasonable assumption that he might easily do better when he has Bibby and Artest on the court to draw away some of the pressure?
If so, he could easily continue to get 10-12 baskets a night AND earn a number of trips to the stripe. And if he does that, I can't help but think he could end up in a slot towards the very top of the scoring charts. He was there for a while last year, until Musselman started pulling him for things like "two fouls in the first quarter regardless of what kinds of fouls."
If Kevin Martin is doing this well with virtually NO help, isn't it a reasonable assumption that he might easily do better when he has Bibby and Artest on the court to draw away some of the pressure?
If so, he could easily continue to get 10-12 baskets a night AND earn a number of trips to the stripe. And if he does that, I can't help but think he could end up in a slot towards the very top of the scoring charts. He was there for a while last year, until Musselman started pulling him for things like "two fouls in the first quarter regardless of what kinds of fouls."
I am thrilled with Kevin's present success and doubt very much that it is some kind of fluke. He can shoot; he can draw fouls, and he has reponded positively to being the number one option. It is somewhat surprising that his scoring his kept at such a high level when teams can focus on him defensively.
He was a good investment.
He was a good investment.
Good morning everyone.
Its been awhile since I have posted here. I have read everyone's post on this subject and everyone's opinion, be they negative or positive. The kings are a team in transition. I think that we have the makings of a pretty good team, IMHO. When Artest and Bibby come back it can only improve our team. I think that Theaus is a coach that won't forget the contrubutions that the younger players have made in their absence. Sorry, I kind of got of the subject. Martin, as someone else said, can be better when all the starters are back. I will always root for the Kings, win of lose. Sure, its better to win then to lose, that's easy. The season is young and the Kings have the 4th leading scorer in the league. When, at any point in any season could they say that in the past?
GO KINGS!!
Its been awhile since I have posted here. I have read everyone's post on this subject and everyone's opinion, be they negative or positive. The kings are a team in transition. I think that we have the makings of a pretty good team, IMHO. When Artest and Bibby come back it can only improve our team. I think that Theaus is a coach that won't forget the contrubutions that the younger players have made in their absence. Sorry, I kind of got of the subject. Martin, as someone else said, can be better when all the starters are back. I will always root for the Kings, win of lose. Sure, its better to win then to lose, that's easy. The season is young and the Kings have the 4th leading scorer in the league. When, at any point in any season could they say that in the past?
GO KINGS!!
The season is young and the Kings have the 4th leading scorer in the league. When, at any point in any season could they say that in the past?
GO KINGS!!
GO KINGS!!
Led the Kings and finished 4th in the NBA in 1997-98 with 23.2 ppg, becoming only the 4th player (with (Abdul-Jabbar, Jordan and Robertson) in NBA history to top 21.0 ppg in each of his first 10 seasons
By the way the Kings went 27-55(34 games back from 1st place) that year under Eddie Jordan. Toodles!
Let us not forget that Kevin finished 2nd in the nation in D1 his junior year. Yeah you can say that he played at Western Carolina but then again you can look at it as he was getting double and triple teamed and still putting up those numbers. What if he stayed for his senior year. Or he transfered to Ohio State after his freshman year. We will never know. Kevin has been a scorer his whole life ( minus his sophomore year and down in high school) so i dont see him slowing down anymore. Just through the 4 games i have seen this year I think he is getting the mentality that he can score anytime he wants whether it be from the foul line or not. And last years rumor around zanesville is that kevin would have been asked to be on the all-star team if Ray Allen wasnt getting to the the end of his career. Didnt Allen Join the team once someone ( i forget who) got injured?
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Kevin Martin and Kobe Bryant
Kevin Martin is the 2nd highest scorer behind Kobe and not far behind him.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...litScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=
Kevin Martin is the 2nd highest scorer behind Kobe and not far behind him.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...litScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=
Dude, Acetomenophine is much better for you. Minds the blood pressure
so anyway,
Kevin Martin is carrying a very heavy load right now, and he is a big reason the kings have even been competitive. You know how awesome this team could be with a david lee type?
I'll tell you how awesome: FREAKIN AWESOME!!
so anyway,
Kevin Martin is carrying a very heavy load right now, and he is a big reason the kings have even been competitive. You know how awesome this team could be with a david lee type?
I'll tell you how awesome: FREAKIN AWESOME!!
I doubt that second 4. Its just not naturally Kevin's game. We used to have a similar discussion about Peja. Kevin's much more of a minimal assists, 2 assist a game guy. Can make a nice pass -- so could Peja -- but his game is not set up to create many of those opportunities, he likes to move without the ball (makes it hard to get assists), he is not a great ballhandler etc. Will have to significantly alter his game to consistently get 4+, let alone the 5+ or something of the TMac type players.
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