Martin/Artest for Arenas would work

[Kingsin07]

If Gilbert is looking for the 18-19 mil range for six years, we could trade Martin and Artest for him in a S&T.

Arenas is better than K-Mart, plays point guard and brings experience and a big name talent. Artest isn't going to be around for much longer, so instead of getting what we got for Bibby, which was zilch, we get a big name, big time player.

PG-Arenas
SG-Cisco
C-Miller
PF-Moore
SF-Salmons

That is a young, decent starting lineup. Enough to make the playoffs, probably not. Certainly a push in the right direction.

 

[nbrans]

I'd take Martin at $10 million over Gilbert Arenas at $20 million any day of the week. I'd take Artest with all his problems at $8 million over Gilbert Arenas at $20 million. I might take someone from the WNBA over Gilbert Arenas at $20 million.

This is ridiculous. You don't blow up your roster for a guy who doesn't win. There are max players in the league who are worth whatever price. You trade Martin and Artest for LeBron or Dwight Howard or someone on that level. You don't blow it up AND overpay someone at the same time.

 

[sactownfan]

umm NO.... never gonna happen... this is one of the worst ideas i've ever read on this site... sorry but its true...

 

[captain bill]

umm No.... Never Gonna Happen... This Is One Of The Worst Ideas I've Ever Read On This Site... Sorry But Its True...

Qft

 

[Bricklayer]

The whole point of getting Arenas, form where I am sitting, would be to combine him with Kevin in the highest scoring (and worst defending) backcourt in the league. Just swapping one for the other doesn't get us very far. Gilbert is a better player, but he's not LeBron, not a guy who will get it done by himself.

 

[sactownfan]

Qft

Qft?

 

[captain bill]

Qft?

quoted for truth

 

[AyeCarly]

Qft?

In this case, Quit friggin trying, but usually quoted for truth.

 

[Rockmeister]

It really sounds like Gilbert will be staying with the Wizards.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I wouldn't give up Martin+Artest for Arenas. Martin is a team player and if he improves again this season, he would be just as good if not better than Arenas.

Agent Zero is a very good scorer, but his knee is still a big question. I wouldn't give up the team's 2 best players for a guy coming off a knee surgery.

 

[bench_blob]

If Gilbert is looking for the 18-19 mil range for six years, we could trade Martin and Artest for him in a S&T.

Arenas is better than K-Mart, plays point guard and brings experience and a big name talent. Artest isn't going to be around for much longer, so instead of getting what we got for Bibby, which was zilch, we get a big name, big time player.

PG-Arenas
SG-Cisco
C-Miller
PF-Moore
SF-Salmons

That is a young, decent starting lineup. Enough to make the playoffs, probably not. Certainly a push in the right direction.

Get a clue: K-Mart >>>>>>>> Gilbert Arenas

Gilbert Arenas might be a better overall player than Artest, but just barely.

K-Mart + Artest for Arenas would be INSANE and set back the franchise 5 years

 

[bajaden]

The idea is not worth commenting on...

 

[Bricklayer]

Get a clue: K-Mart >>>>>>>> Gilbert Arenas

Um....no.

Ron is better than Kevin.

Gilbert is better than Kevin.

But Kevin is a) far cheaper than Gilbert; b) the same age as Gilbert and c)probably only Kevin << Gilbert or so. And so swapping him out for Gilbert at twice the price, and throwing in Artest as well, is not going to advance your cause very much. Combining Kevin+Gilbert on the other hand...who can guard both of them?

 

[AriesMar27]

this team the way its constructed wont go anywhere in 5 years anyways.... but its a bad trade. we would need a 3rd team, too bad we traded bibby...

 

[VF21]

If Gilbert is looking for the 18-19 mil range for six years, we could trade Martin and Artest for him in a S&T.

Arenas is better than K-Mart, plays point guard and brings experience and a big name talent. Artest isn't going to be around for much longer, so instead of getting what we got for Bibby, which was zilch, we get a big name, big time player.

PG-Arenas
SG-Cisco
C-Miller
PF-Moore
SF-Salmons

That is a young, decent starting lineup. Enough to make the playoffs, probably not. Certainly a push in the right direction.

1. Geoff Petrie is NOT going to trade Kevin Martin away for someone like Gilbert Arenas...ever.

2. That lineup isn't a young, decent starting lineup. It's a trainwreck. A young decent starting lineup would include Martin and Hawes and a PF not named Moore.

3. Push in the right direction? I guess that depends on what direction you're trying to go.

4. What we got for Bibby was a commitment by TPTB to REBUILD. We got expiring contracts, which was something most around here were glad to see. We got a chance to look at a former #5 pick to at least see if he's someone we'll want to utilize going forward.

Sorry, but this is about as poor a trade idea as I've ever seen.

 

[bench_blob]

Um....no.

Ron is better than Kevin.

Gilbert is better than Kevin.

But Kevin is a) far cheaper than Gilbert; b) the same age as Gilbert and c)probably only Kevin << Gilbert or so. And so swapping him out for Gilbert at twice the price, and throwing in Artest as well, is not going to advance your cause very much. Combining Kevin+Gilbert on the other hand...who can guard both of them?

Um...that's your opinion.

Kevin and Gilbert are both primarily scorers. Kevin is a more efficient scorer than Gilbert. I am fan of boths, it's not as black and white as you claim it to be who is the superior player.

I agree though Kevin + Gilbert would be unstoppable.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

No Martin in any deal.

 

[1kingzfan]

Moderators: Please give this thread the respect it deserves...and close it.

 

[Spike]

Come on now, if every thread were closed based on its level of inanity, there wouldn't be much to read. That being said, this trade idea is silly. If you can someone manage an Artest/Arenas swap with a little KT thrown in then fine.

 

[hammystyle]

Um....no.

Ron is better than Kevin.

Gilbert is better than Kevin.

But Kevin is a) far cheaper than Gilbert; b) the same age as Gilbert and c)probably only Kevin << Gilbert or so. And so swapping him out for Gilbert at twice the price, and throwing in Artest as well, is not going to advance your cause very much. Combining Kevin+Gilbert on the other hand...who can guard both of them?

Thank you...I love Kevin as much as anyone, but let's get a realistic take on his place in the league. Gilbert is a better player than Kevin and plays a more valuable position. He's also the same age as Kevin and has displayed just as much of an improvement arc.

Now trading Artest and Gilbert gets you nowhere, and the Wizards aren't trading Gil for Miller and Artest. I think a realistic trade that would make some sense for both sides is Gilbert for Kevin+Moore. They fill a hole at the 2, and have an expiring contract in Moore.

You sign Gilbert for a deal 6y/105m deal starting at about 16 million.

I don't buy the "he's not a winner" talk. That's not a well-constructed team in Washington. All scorers and poor defenders. If you put a sound defensive team around Arenas you could have something. Kevin Martin has never taken a team anywhere either.

 

[nbrans]

I don't think the question is really whether Kevin or Gilbert is better, because Gilbert is obviously better. He can create his own shot, he's versatile, he has shown eh can be an elite scorer.

The question is whether Kevin is a better player to have at $10-12 million than Gil at $20 million, which is what we'd have to pay. And when you frame the question that way I'd take Kevin no contest.

 

[Kevin_Martin_23]

Gilbert is ovverrated and overpriced. he is a decent player not a great one. he is worth 8 - 9 mil per year imho

 

[VF21]

Moderators: Please give this thread the respect it deserves...and close it.

Closing it would make it seem much more important or controversial than it is.



You may not agree with the assessment of Arenas v. Martin, but there's some decent discussion. Besides, it's TDOS. If we don't talk about things like this we're going to be reduced to yet another discussion of things like which shoes will make the average couch potato a better street court player.

 

[Spike]

If we don't talk about things like this we're going to be reduced to yet another discussion of things like which shoes will make the average couch potato a better street court player.

I've always been a fan of converse, personally. These have helped to elevate my game:

Simple, yet fashionable, they function for me when I throw down a nasty one on an unsuspecting defender, and I can combine them with jeans, a T, and a sportcoat (AKA blazer) for a night out on the town.

Suave and stylish, they're the choice for me.

 

[DocHolliday]

I was hearing on the Rise Guys this morning, that insiders from the wizards or somewhere (I came in during the conversation) had quoted that officials from the Kings organization told Gilbert they would do whatever it took to get him, even if it meant trading the whole team.

Now that's nowhere near confirmed that's just what some source said.

Also, The Rise Guys said they thought from the sounds of it that Gilbert would be staying with Washington, but that they also have reason to believe that the Kings may make a MAJOR move this summer.

They said they believe this because something that was sent to the station that they had a chance to see, but they can't comment on it right now.

 

[Kingsin07]

I didn't expect that much negative sentiment. On paper, the Kings are giving up a lot and now that we have resigned Beno, we can truly put this to rest. I guess in a couple years when we have some cap room, the thought of teaming up a guy like Arenas with a big time PF would have been looking to the future. The Maloof's love big names and big names draw other big names, that was the line of thinking. If you knew that acquiring Arenas might lead to a guy like Chris Bosh coming here, you might feel differently about this type of deal. It would be a leap of faith and would basically be a deal straight up for K-Mart. Artest, while still and excellent player, is a headache and will not be around much longer.

I am a huge K-Mart fan so I would be disappointed to see him go in any scenario. If Arenas is the Zito of 2008, I want no part of him and I'm sure he wants no part of Sacramento either.

 

[Kings Faithful]

It may not be for Gilbert but we are making a huge move this summer, and i don't think its gonna be for tiny pieces like sheldon williams and anthony johnson...I just hope to god it doesnt involve Kevin Martin...

 

[Semi]

It may not be for Gilbert but we are making a huge move this summer, and i don't think its gonna be for tiny pieces like sheldon williams and anthony johnson...I just hope to god it doesnt involve Kevin Martin...

And this would be based on?

Oh, nothing?

Gotcha.