Malone fired

funkykingston

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Well, I'm late to the party, having just seen this news now.

My outlook on this is that while some of the losses this season have been incredibly frustrating, I never expected this team to be near .500 at this point in the season. I thought the roster lacked talent and cohesiveness and I thought the early schedule was brutal.

To me, the fact that the team WAS dramatically improved on defense and was winning games despite getting very little consistency from the bench (especially the guard spots), having only one three point shooting threat in McLemore (whose play was a pleasant surprise in and of itself) and an extended absence by Cousins (not to mention Rudy, DC and Omri missing games) was really encouraging to me as a fan.

And I put the credit on the team's improvement on basically two things: (1) DMC's continued ascent to being a big time player and leader and (2) Mike Malone's coaching.

I can't pretend that the Grizzlies, Mavericks, Lakers, Rockets and Pistons games weren't gut wrenching and infuriating. But the fact that the Kings HAD big leads on Memphis, Dallas and Houston was unexpected to begin with.

I think this is a terrible move. Part of creating a successful franchise and a winning culture is consistency. Getting your foundational players in place, keeping the same coach and front office working hand in hand to develop a system and a way of doing things.

The Spurs are the obvious example but to me a more apt analogous situation is the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders or Washington Redskins.

Constant impatience leading to a coaching carousel or always wanting to make the splashy move pretty much always leads to continual rebuilding, justified by the new coach needing players for "his system" etc etc.

Malone had a lot of work to do but as a first time head coach that's the expectation. That he would grow WITH his team. And I thought they were doing just that. Had Demarcus not gotten sick I doubt this move happens, which to me means it shouldn't be happening now either.
 
5 reasons the choice is likely to be George Karl:

1) He's tight with PDA
2) He's an established NBA head coach with over 1000 career wins and NBA coach of the year in 2013
3) He's knows lay of the land in WC as good as anybody
4) He's hot property that wants back in the league and will get a top job sooner rather than later
5) George Karl is such a big name it will tame naysayers who are trashing PDA and Vivek over abrupt Malone firing
This is the big one for me. Generally, you don't make yourself look like an idiot like this unless you have something else up your sleeve. Despite my questions about Karl, he's a big name. One that would turn the general public back on Viveks side.

But if Karl doesn't start coaching tomorrow, why fire Malone mid season? and if Karl does start tomorrow, why announce Corbin as the guy?
 
5 reasons the choice is likely to be George Karl:

1) He's tight with PDA
2) He's an established NBA head coach with over 1000 career wins and NBA coach of the year in 2013
3) He's knows lay of the land in WC as good as anybody
4) He's hot property that wants back in the league and will get a top job sooner rather than later
5) George Karl is such a big name it will tame naysayers who are trashing PDA and Vivek over abrupt Malone firing
All good reasons
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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How is Karl "meh"? The guy is undoubtedly a superior coach to Malone. My lord, I feel as if people on here believe if we don't get Phil Jackson or Pop, we are doomed.
The concern with Karl is that he's partial to a style that is not necessarily compatible with the strengths of our best player. That, and he's a step back, defensively.
 
How is Karl "meh"? The guy is undoubtedly a superior coach to Malone. My lord, I feel if people on here believe if we don't get Phil Jackson or Pop, we are doomed.

If memory serves me correctly, I remember some disappointment on here when Karl became available after getting the ax shortly after we hired Malone.
 
I would be okay with Karl, and only Karl from the candidates mentioned, as long as he realizes he can't run his Denver system in Sacramento. The team's not built for it. Nonetheless, he's won everywhere he's been and I'd hope he'd be able to adapt to Rudy and DMC's talents.
 
This is the big one for me. Generally, you don't make yourself look like an idiot like this unless you have something else up your sleeve. Despite my questions about Karl, he's a big name. One that would turn the general public back on Viveks side.

But if Karl doesn't start coaching tomorrow, why fire Malone mid season? and if Karl does start tomorrow, why announce Corbin as the guy?
I've seen no officials announcement of anything.

Including the firing actually. Is that right?
 
There's a huge difference between firing Malone while having Karl lined up, and firing Malone without having Karl or a replacement lined up.

If Karl was our guy, it also makes little sense to not have made the move this summer and have a full training together. Of course, that might have limited the ability to re-sign Rudy, which the circumstances around that look quite shady to me.

This wasn't well thought out and it was poorly executed. It's an atrocious business plan, unless of course Karl is pretty much on his way to Sac as we speak and it was already agreed upon.

As for the pros and cons of Karl, I'll wait until he's actually our coach.

BTW, is PDA having a press conference today?
 
There's a huge difference between firing Malone while having Karl lined up, and firing Malone without having Karl or a replacement lined up.

If Karl was our guy, it also makes little sense to not have made the move this summer and have a full training together. Of course, that might have limited the ability to re-sign Rudy, which the circumstances around that look quite shady to me.

This wasn't well thought out and it was poorly executed. It's an atrocious business plan, unless of course Karl is pretty much on his way to Sac as we speak and it was already agreed upon.

As for the pros and cons of Karl, I'll wait until he's actually our coach.

BTW, is PDA having a press conference today?
I'm listening to 1140 and they said 1:15 if I heard correctly .......
 
After finding about the situation this morning and reading through much of this thread for more info, here are some thoughts I have:

First, I'd be careful of fully buying in to all these twitter comments/speculation coming from all sides. While it's easy to connect dots, we really don't have an idea what's truth and what isn't.

Secondly, while I don't agree with the timing of Malone's firing at all - especially considering what's gone down with Cousins in recent weeks - I do understand the lack of belief in him as a tactical head coach. The .03 play in Memphis, the iso plays with Rudy at the end of games, questionable defensive matchups (such as Rudy on Harden late in the game), sticking with Ramon Sessions and suddenly dropping Omri out of the rotation in favor of Derrick Williams, etc. -- there are plenty of head scratchers to point at.

That said, were many of those questionable decisions all on Malone? Some of the speculation coming from the media suggests that Malone may have had things forced upon him, such as playing Derrick Williams. Maybe, Maybe not. I mean, the front office was responsible for acquiring both players so it doesn't entirely make sense that they'd mandate playing Williams when Casspi was playing reasonably well. Same logic applies to Sessions over McCallum, who were both acquired by the same FO. Also, I doubt any of the FO members made the in-game decision to switch Ben McLemore off James Harden (while he was 9-25 late in the contest) in favor of Rudy Gay or the game before against Kobe.

Without knowing the background or who is truly responsible for what, I do see a lot of reasons on the surface to let Malone go. However, I also see a lot of seasons to keep him, such as the improvement of DeMarcus, Rudy and Ben and the relationships he seemingly has developed with each of them.

Even with the horrible play as of late, I do not agree with firing the coach when your best player has been sidelined during the entire slide and it's still so early in the season. It does seem quite reactionary to me.

Lastly, if any of this non-sense is true regarding what was said or presented to Gentry and it's the same reason they hired Corbin, they really have made an egregious mistake that could set the franchise back a long time. One of the biggest no-nos in pro sports is secretively conducting a coaching search while you already have one. Word always spreads fast and you lose credibility across the league. Nobody will want to work in that environment fearing that it could happen to them one day.

I sure hope it's not true.
 

funkykingston

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The more I think about this the angrier I get.

I think Boogie's viral meningitis just gave Vivek/D'Alessandro an excuse to do what they wanted to do for a while now and I think that's just poor form.

They could bring back Adelman to be the head coach and I'd still think this was a bad move. Malone was turning things around. He was getting a lot out of a poorly assembled roster. In my opinion he had absolutely earned the right to finish this season.

I'll always be a Kings fan but I think my emotional investment in this season certainly just took a big hit.
 
I suppose you never know....maybe the moves we made last season and in the offseason were all pushed by the FO and Malone had little to do with Gay and Collison and now the FO get's to say "see, we told you so, we know what we're doing." Maybe we could be higher in the standings at the moment...but either way this is just so poorly executed and i think will leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. These are the types of moves that make other teams and players weary of dealing with us.

We went from the Maloofs who were afraid to make any splashy moves for fear of having to pay top name guys, to a guy who is trying to do too much and make too big of a splash. I suppose i'd rather have the latter than the former, but either way, it appears Kendrick Perkins may have been right, we're still the same Kings... and it just makes me sad, in all honesty. Very sad.
 
I think I'm most upset that I am hoping we get George Karl.


Karl is a strange bird. He could either be the perfect guy for their style or the worst coach for Cousins. Both in terms of personality and style. Interesting read here that aptly describes him to a T.


Is he intense or a "go along, get along" type?
In his younger days, Karl earned the nickname “Furious George,” which tells you something about his prickly demeanor, and he has been known to blast his players in the media. But after going through an unspeakably brutal cancer treatment and living a healthier life (Karl is much more trim than he was a decade ago), he seems to have mellowed a bit. Still, he's no teddy bear, and players will see a rapid decline in minutes if he feels they are not playing with passion and trust. “Respect the game” is one of his favorite phrases.

Does he rely on systems, or does he coach ad hoc to his personnel?
Karl’s philosophy, dubbed “Random Basketball,” is really an ad hoc system. There aren’t intricate rules, per se, but there are fixed guidelines and easily understood goals. Karl wants 30 free throws, 30 layups and 30 assists every game, which reflects his core beliefs in ball movement, pushing the ball quickly up court and driving to the rim. The only real restrictions on offense: Don’t hold the ball and don’t take 2-point jump shots. That system works for the young, fast team he has in Denver. Last season, the Nuggets led the league in layups, took the fewest long 2s, and were second in free throw rate. As a result, they had the league’s best offense.

In Seattle, Karl was known as a defensive-minded coach, and with Milwaukee he was sometimes criticized for being too focused on offense. The various perceptions of him and his teams speak to his impressive adaptability. He has a talent for developing players and finding ways to get the most out of a player; thus, his teams are defined by the types of players he has.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/52027/the-book-on-george-karl
 

Spike

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John Dickinson ‏@JDJohnDickinson
Source: Kings recruited Alvin Gentry as Malone assistant telling him HC job could be his quickly. Gentry declined, told Malone, signed w/GSW
More respect for Gentry. Coaches are a tight knit group - you don't stab your peers in the back. I can't believe PDA would go this route. That's beyond Gerbily. That's straight up weasel. Now, as a coach, if I were offered the assistant position, there's always the underlying assumption that you could take over should things go pear-shaped, but you never take a job planning unseat the person. That's like the IT-style of coaching.
 
I don't know who is making all of these ridiculous decisions in the front office, but if it's Vivek, he needs to step back. I'm treating these stories of him using his experience as a girls basketball coach and 4 on 5 defense with a grain of salt until I hear it, but he doesn't have any tangible basketball knowledge. He's a businessman, not a basketball mind. The Kings have been a league comedy for so long that it hasn't been funny anymore.
 
If Karl was 10 years younger and healthy, Yea, you'd probably have to take him. I don't love his style (despite 9 playoff seasons in Denver, only out of first round once) but I don't know if he is a reliable coaching option at his age with his medical history. It's just the reality of his situation. I obviously hope him nothing but the best

He should be fine. If anything he might sympathize with Malone. He just got canned in Denver in the same "WTF?" kind of fashion. Not as crudely and in such an amateurish way but similar none the less.
 
Look, I'm not a fan of isolation basketball, and apparently neither is the front office. And that's what you were getting with Malone. like it or not.
This was another thing I forgot to mention in my previous post and I think it's a biggie. We've heard multiple times that they (the FO) want to emulate the Spurs offense. A consistent theme that developed at the end of games and also when the Kings held giants leads on the road was the lack of ball movement and passing.

Another factor is the team's play coming our of the half. That often has a direct tie to coaching or at least is perceived that way.

Again, not saying I am siding with firing Coach Malone, just mentioning things that I believe played a huge factor in the decision. Then again, maybe all this crap that they've been setting this change up for a long time is true. Who knows?
 
More respect for Gentry. Coaches are a tight knit group - you don't stab your peers in the back. I can't believe PDA would go this route. That's beyond Gerbily. That's straight up weasel. Now, as a coach, if I were offered the assistant position, there's always the underlying assumption that you could take over should things go pear-shaped, but you never take a job planning unseat the person. That's like the IT-style of coaching.
Section101 says it wasn't PDA. Maybe he/she knows something, maybe they don't ........
 
More respect for Gentry. Coaches are a tight knit group - you don't stab your peers in the back. I can't believe PDA would go this route. That's beyond Gerbily. That's straight up weasel. Now, as a coach, if I were offered the assistant position, there's always the underlying assumption that you could take over should things go pear-shaped, but you never take a job planning unseat the person. That's like the IT-style of coaching.
hahaha sad but true
 

Spike

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I would be okay with Karl, and only Karl from the candidates mentioned, as long as he realizes he can't run his Denver system in Sacramento. The team's not built for it. Nonetheless, he's won everywhere he's been and I'd hope he'd be able to adapt to Rudy and DMC's talents.
I think he's smart enough to realize that, but is the FO smart enough to realize that?