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Malone mentioned EVERYBODY in his comments. EVERYBODY.
Hey, Coach Malone, who did you want to see about the poor defense?

Malone mentioned EVERYBODY in his comments. EVERYBODY.
Malone mentioned EVERYBODY in his comments. EVERYBODY.
If he wants to carry out his threat, I'd have no problem with it.
As far as IT is concerned, here are his minutes since 1/15
41.5
38.5
39
38.5
39
43
36
25(sick)
38.5
Here are Tony Parker's minutes since 1/15:
33.5
35
38
27
24
32.5
33.5
It's obvious to me that IT is being played far too many minutes. His production in the last four games or so speaks to that fact. If Malone wants to reduce his minutes to 30 a game, yahoo! Let's do it!
I'm sorry, but beloved leader himself has always said he wants to play 48 minutes a game. Also, he expends all his energy on the offensive end and none on the defensive end whatsoever. If he wants to make a claim like that then playing 40 minutes shouldn't be a problem.
And I really don't understand why you're comparing him with 31 year old Tony Parker
Yeah, Jimmer was terrible last night.Cause there's no backup PG?
I'm sorry, but beloved leader himself has always said he wants to play 48 minutes a game. Also, he expends all his energy on the offensive end and none on the defensive end whatsoever. If he wants to make a claim like that then playing 40 minutes shouldn't be a problem.
And I really don't understand why you're comparing him with 31 year old Tony Parker
I think Thornton has every right to be upset in this one.
He got zero scoring opportunities from teammates in this one. He got 2 whole shots. Both off his own dribble...and the thing is...when Rudy and Cousins were out he got 55 field-goal attempts in 3 games.
So to go from that, to being completely frozen out and getting zero opportunities from IT had to have been frustrating, especially since IT got up 21 shots.
I tend to agree with you that it's more than possible that Thornton said something either to Malone or that Malone overheard. Because out on the floor Thornton didn't do a poor job on defense, which I've already outlined. And even if you could consider Ben's effort as being better, Marcus was actually more effective in this one. So yeah, I could see Thornton saying something and then Malone letting him know his displeasure by not giving him any more minutes.
Interesstinggg ... IT finally gets asked about his defense
[sarcasm]Fire Malone![/sarcasm]
Ok... That's out of my system... IT is at least trying. MT isn't even trying on offense or defense. He's definitely gone soon.
Malone mentioned EVERYBODY in his comments. EVERYBODY.
If he wants to carry out his threat, I'd have no problem with it.
As far as IT is concerned, here are his minutes since 1/15
41.5
38.5
39
38.5
39
43
36
25(sick)
38.5
Here are Tony Parker's minutes since 1/15:
33.5
35
38
27
24
32.5
33.5
It's obvious to me that IT is being played far too many minutes. His production in the last four games or so speaks to that fact. If Malone wants to reduce his minutes to 30 a game, yahoo! Let's do it!
That was a wise edit my friend![]()
IT is spot on here. His D does need to get better and he admits it. However, the lack of team D/help defense is even a more glaring issue. Once a pick is set against us, the dribbler will not even be slowed because our effort on help D is nearly non-existent.
You could put a great man on man defender in place of IT and there would still be huge issues with this team defensively. Defensively, we treat the game as if it is 5, one on one games.
It's not who you take out, it's who you put in.Malone mentioned EVERYBODY in his comments. EVERYBODY.
If he wants to carry out his threat, I'd have no problem with it.
As far as IT is concerned, here are his minutes since 1/15
41.5
38.5
39
38.5
39
43
36
25(sick)
38.5
Here are Tony Parker's minutes since 1/15:
33.5
35
38
27
24
32.5
33.5
It's obvious to me that IT is being played far too many minutes. His production in the last four games or so speaks to that fact. If Malone wants to reduce his minutes to 30 a game, yahoo! Let's do it!
Interesstinggg ... IT finally gets asked about his defense
Yeah, I don't understand the singling out of MT. He's a bad defender, but no different than the rest of the team. Ben and Jimmer look more active on D, but not any better.
Maybe Malone expects MT to translate the energy not used on O to D, which is hard to expect a a player like him to do. Don't see a lot of scorers become defenders, especially formerly bad ones. I can't see MT becoming Ron Harper even if he wanted to.
indeed. i very much agree with your series of posts in this thread. in my view, thornton is reacting to the imbalanced nature of the roster. demarcus cousins is likely to return on friday, and i know i've been hammering on this point since rudy gay proved he's more than capable of being the kings' second best player, but it simply isn't sustainable for chemistry or team morale to shove three 20 ppg scorers in the starting lineup. it just doesn't work when no one else is getting shots. it'd be nice if the kings were filled with defensive-minded role players who don't require a lot of shots, and are in fact satisfied enough to just lock down the opposition and hit the occasional spot-up jumper, but it's quite the absent-minded fantasy to think that the kings are going to find their ibaka/sefalosha to carry the majority of the defensive load in the starting unit...
as a sport, football only asks its players to commit to offense or defense for an entire season. baseball only asks its players to commit to defense at the top or bottom of every inning. but basketball asks its players to commit to defense every other possession. that's a lot of effort to sustain in a game that moves up and down the court every 24 seconds. it's simple psychology: a player who believes that he isn't valued on the offensive side of the ball--the more glamorous side of the ball--is then less likely to perform up to standard on the defensive side of the ball. it's why we talk about "touches" in the first place. when a team's chemistry is solidified, when every player owns up to his role, "touches" are almost never an issue. when the losses pile up and players are dissatisfied in their roles, "touches" often become an issue...
if the kings had a starting PG who better fit alongside demarcus cousins and rudy gay, and if isaiah thomas was returned to a more appropriate role as the kings' sixth man, then it would become much easier to control his impact on the game, and it would become much easier to keep everyone else involved. the unfortunate side-effect of the rudy gay trade was that it left the kings without a starting PG and a sixth man. isaiah thomas may be thriving as a starter, but the team is not. it's all about isaiah when he's the primary ball handler. you can see it in the kings' body language every time IT enters into hero ball mode. again, this isn't about beating up on the little man. it has and continues to be about balancing the roster (with the assumption that demarcus cousins and rudy gay are two cornerstone pieces moving forward). if thomas can be retained at a sixth man's salary, then the kings should tie him down for the long term. he's born for that sparkplug's role. but if he is re-signed to big money to start at PG, then don't expect the friction at kf.com to recede...
there's a reason these arguments might sound so similar to many of us. we went through the same thing when tyreke evans was a king. however, with thomas we're not dealing with a player who has a tremendously capable nba body and versatile two-way ability, and we're not dealing with a SG who's struggling to learn how to play PG. we're dealing with a PG who's struggling to learn how to play PG. many of us at kf.com look at isaiah thomas and see a talented young player with a massive napolean complex. it would be unwise to assume that his teammates don't see the same thing on the court. basketball remains a team sport. everyone wants to be involved. not many enjoyed playing with allen iverson. no one has ever enjoyed playing with kobe bryant. is isaiah thomas at their level as a two-way player, where you can excuse his style of play and ignore the grumbling of his teammates because he's just that good?
Malone did stipulate that it's the whole team, and not just MT. See the last response above. Jason Jones put the focus on Marcus at the beginning of the interview and Malone simply responded.
If they do it, you warm up the plane before the ink dries and get the hell out of dodge, squealing like a teen at a Bieber concert.I see a trade of IT and MT for Conley coming up. Just a joke, kinda.I don't even know if it could be done and much less if the Griz would do it.
Appreciate the full context, VF. I remember hearing it live on the radio last night but missed some of the details.
Maybe it's time to change title of thread from "calling out Marcus Thornton" to something else? Seems like people are getting the wrong impression.
Malone: Mike Conley is an all-star level point guard in my eyes. I've said it many times this season. I think he's one of the more under-rated players in the NBA. He's got a lot of playoff experience, he's a two-way player. The reason I like Mike Conley so much - he's a guy who plays both ends of the floor and that's becoming a very rare breed in the NBA. He has an impact on both ends, he runs his team, he's an improved three-point shooter, he makes the right plays for his teammates. I'm not surprised he's had his way with us all three games this year. And that's why he's the player that he is.
That can be taken taken as a shot at our PG or more importantly, IMO, what he wants from his PG and why I think he and PDA are still looking for one. Whether it's answering questions on MT not getting enough touches on offense or repeated questions on our perimeter defense, there's one guy at the center of the equation on both ends and I don't believe Malone is all that pleased about it but is stuck playing the PR game and not throwing a key player for us under the bus.
...That can be taken taken as a shot at our PG or more importantly, IMO, what he wants from his PG and why I think he and PDA are still looking for one. Whether it's answering questions on MT not getting enough touches on offense or repeated questions on our perimeter defense, there's one guy at the center of the equation on both ends and I don't believe Malone is all that pleased about it but is stuck playing the PR game and not throwing a key player for us under the bus.
I see a trade of IT and MT for Conley coming up. Just a joke, kinda.I don't even know if it could be done and much less if the Griz would do it.