Make a play for DJ Augustin?
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Bricklayer
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What would we do with him??
We're kind of out of the guard market unless we decide Jimmer is not going to pan out and move him. Tad premature on that front.
Recontact AK47 in the offseason and go find me a shotblocking big and we can keep going forward.
GoodOldDouwe
G-League
I like Augustin; he's a good defender, a playmaker and a willing passer. But do we need another guard with Tyreke, MT, Jimmer and Isiah? I'd love to see a backcourt with Augustin and Tyreke, but it's just not going to happen...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ok, that solves things on our end, but then we would probably have to flip the question: why would the Bobcats do that?
Gary
All-Star
The whole point to getting a good passer is having someone with him that can shoot the ball after the passer finds the open man..
Evans is not that type of player. We would have Augustin passing Evans the ball and then what? Evans will just hold the ball and play one on one like he always does.
On the other hand putting Thorton with Augustin would net you a tiny back court but one that would work a lot better than DJ and Tyreke.
If we were going to make a play for a pass first PG we would need cutters, and pick and pop players. Evans, and Salmons do not bit that role. So Evans, and Salmons would have to go... The good thing with that is that you would have to throw Salmons in with an Evans trade in order to get salaries to match for a decent player who's getting 10+mil a year (unless we absorbed salary being under the cap).
So if this team was mine, and I knew we were going to Get Augustin, then I would be looking at moving Evans/Salmons in a package to get a shooting small forward like Granger, or a center like Hibbert. I might even try to make a play for Curry as well or Harden. Guys like Rudy Gay are guys I wouldn't look for with a pure PG because they tend to hold the ball and try to create and drive to the basket. DeRozan has a nice looking shot this year, and Wes Johnson has a sweet stroke but before making a play for Johnson I would want to make sure that he can play well with a pure PG and Rubio is about as pure as they come.
Evans is not that type of player. We would have Augustin passing Evans the ball and then what? Evans will just hold the ball and play one on one like he always does.
On the other hand putting Thorton with Augustin would net you a tiny back court but one that would work a lot better than DJ and Tyreke.
If we were going to make a play for a pass first PG we would need cutters, and pick and pop players. Evans, and Salmons do not bit that role. So Evans, and Salmons would have to go... The good thing with that is that you would have to throw Salmons in with an Evans trade in order to get salaries to match for a decent player who's getting 10+mil a year (unless we absorbed salary being under the cap).
So if this team was mine, and I knew we were going to Get Augustin, then I would be looking at moving Evans/Salmons in a package to get a shooting small forward like Granger, or a center like Hibbert. I might even try to make a play for Curry as well or Harden. Guys like Rudy Gay are guys I wouldn't look for with a pure PG because they tend to hold the ball and try to create and drive to the basket. DeRozan has a nice looking shot this year, and Wes Johnson has a sweet stroke but before making a play for Johnson I would want to make sure that he can play well with a pure PG and Rubio is about as pure as they come.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People have this odd fascination with pass first PGs that would make them give up all the talent in the world to get one, despite almost no correlation between having one and winning games whatsoever. You don't force a Tyreke Evcans out so you can acquire a DJ Augustin, who until a couple of hot games was in danger of bieng benched on his own near worst in the league team. You just don't. As in ever. Unless you're Joe Axelson.
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upinsmoke
All-Star
Give up all the talent in the world??? We are talking about the Kings backcourt okay. This roster is put together so poorly made up mostly of guards who have trouble facilitating an offense especially down the stretch. Kings will continue to lose close games like yesterday where it was there for the taking until a true point is acquired. 21 and 4 are not walking threw those doors anymore, peace.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yes we are talking about the Kings backcourt. One of the most talented starting duos in the league. And we are talking about DJ Augustin, who turns 25 this year, and who's very best season thus far has been 14pts 6ast on .416 shooting.
As an aside, #21 and #4 were veteran players playing for their thrid teams by the team we got them. All of the knee jerkers around here would have us be the foolish teams that gave them up in the first place.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I have nothing against D.J. Augustin. OK! Nice little player. We have a similiar one in Thomas. Hell, why don't we trade for Augustin and pair them together in the backcourt. Go for the shortest backcourt in the league. I don't know how to tactfully say what I would like to say, so I'm going to shut up. But there are people on this fourm that seriously make me question why I bother. On about 90% of the teams in the NBA, Tyreke Evans wouldn't be facilitating the offense, he would be the offense. Thats how freaking good he is, and will be when people stop trying to make him into something he's not.
He's not John Stockton or Steve Nash!! He's Tyreke Evans! Is he perfect? No! Does he need to improve? Yes! But with that said, if you leave him alone and build around him, he'll play good defense, score 20 plus points, grab 5 plus rebounds, and give you 5 plus assists, every stinking night, if healthy. And if you think that type of player grows on tree's, then I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you.
He's not John Stockton or Steve Nash!! He's Tyreke Evans! Is he perfect? No! Does he need to improve? Yes! But with that said, if you leave him alone and build around him, he'll play good defense, score 20 plus points, grab 5 plus rebounds, and give you 5 plus assists, every stinking night, if healthy. And if you think that type of player grows on tree's, then I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you.
Gary
All-Star
Most talented back court? Who cares.. I would rather have a PG who makes the team better than two chuckers in there where one of them holds the ball for half the shot clock.. You want to know why Salmons is sucking so bad this year? Because there isn't enough time on the shot-clock for both Evans and Salmons to hold onto the ball. I have been saying this since we drafted Evans.. Evans is not a PG. I don't care how talented the back court is INDIVIDUALLY, together they play like an average back court at best. I would rather have a PG that makes the team better and a SG that can hit open shots than what we have now.
Individual talent =/= teams being good. Right now we have 5 individuals on the floor and the only guys I see that's trying to get others involved are a rookie, and the last guy on the bench.. It's pretty sad.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Now you're telling me that you just haven't watched the Kings play this year, perhaps in an effort to catch Minnesota's games?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's me. Don't watch them a bit.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Kobe and Wade love the talk of turning teams over to pure pg's.
They're all for it. Means more rings for them. Maybe if Chi traded Rose for a pure pg they'd have a chance. Or maybe OKC can trade Westbrook for Steve Blake. Yes, that's the missing piece. But LA wouldn't do it, by this logic. Why would they want Westbrook when they already have a more pure pg in Derek Fisher already there? And I'm sure Ainge is ecstatic about how pure of a pg Rondo is now, to the point nobody guards him because he can't shoot straight, as the Big 3 limp around on their last legs. But no worries, even when Pierce retires, they'll have pure pg Rondo to win games for them.
They're all for it. Means more rings for them. Maybe if Chi traded Rose for a pure pg they'd have a chance. Or maybe OKC can trade Westbrook for Steve Blake. Yes, that's the missing piece. But LA wouldn't do it, by this logic. Why would they want Westbrook when they already have a more pure pg in Derek Fisher already there? And I'm sure Ainge is ecstatic about how pure of a pg Rondo is now, to the point nobody guards him because he can't shoot straight, as the Big 3 limp around on their last legs. But no worries, even when Pierce retires, they'll have pure pg Rondo to win games for them.
OKC probably would be better if they traded Westbrook for a more traditional PG and a talented big man. The Thunder were better in the playoffs with a Harden/Maynor backcourt than they were with Westbrook/X in the backcourt.
Also, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Rose and Westbrook are all better players than Tyreke and . Evans is essentially Gilbert Arenas without a jumpshot. Now think of Arenas' limited team success and then remove all those times he hit a bunch of threes in a game. That's the risk with Evans if he never grows his game. Tyreke just doesn't have the athleticism to be Kobe, Lebron, Wade or Rose. His ceiling is Arenas if he ever gets a shooting stroke that doesn't make you worry when it goes up.
Somehow, someway, the Kings need to have a guy who doesn't need shots and who can set others up for this roster to work. It's a talented roster, but not a working roster. I'm not sure if DJ is that guy. I kind of like Lowry better if he becomes available due to off-court problems.
Also, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Rose and Westbrook are all better players than Tyreke and . Evans is essentially Gilbert Arenas without a jumpshot. Now think of Arenas' limited team success and then remove all those times he hit a bunch of threes in a game. That's the risk with Evans if he never grows his game. Tyreke just doesn't have the athleticism to be Kobe, Lebron, Wade or Rose. His ceiling is Arenas if he ever gets a shooting stroke that doesn't make you worry when it goes up.
Somehow, someway, the Kings need to have a guy who doesn't need shots and who can set others up for this roster to work. It's a talented roster, but not a working roster. I'm not sure if DJ is that guy. I kind of like Lowry better if he becomes available due to off-court problems.
KingsCitizen
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Arenas can't hold a candle to Reke's size and defense.
ParniValjak
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
Evans and Arenas? That is without a doubt, one of the absolute dumbest comparisons I've ever heard.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That may be a little ambitious for the little guy.
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