looking back on the pendergraph sergio trade

[fxhsurjono]

Looking back on the Sergio/Pendergraph trade...

At first this was a great trade but now looking back on it did we really need sergio? Pendergraph was that shotblocking defensive C we needed and we gave that up for another pg when we already have udrih and reke and if we didn't trade for him we couldve resigned bjaxx right? I haven't read anything on this topic, just wondering wat yall think

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

I was thinking the exact sme thing....I think we would have been better off with Pendagraph, then Brockman. But I like Sergio I think he has potential to be a great assist man. His game sort of reminds me of a Jason Williams without the shot....But anyway back on topic. I don't know if we can write of this trade until Pendagraph actually plays.

 

[USNAVY15]

Its always nice to have another point, and where would Pendergraph fall on our depth chart... probably behind May and Brockman(theoretically). He isn't a C, and he barely looks like a PF, and he can't rebound. Jeff looks like he has the stuff, but the chances were that, even if he was the real deal, any team that drafts him would most likely have to trade him or overpay him or let him walk for nothing. Brockman is going to be easier to evaluate(rebounder) and Sergio is going to help with our 3pt % and AST/TO ratio. Jeff wasn't going to rebound like Brockman can, and It is safe to say he wasn't going to help us with our 3's or ast/to ratio....A+ trade...Jeff isn't a sure shot NBA player but he has some tools. It might take 2 seasons for him to adjust or 5 seasons. either way, his rookie contract would expire leaving the kings without a player for a 2009 2nd round pick. This way is much more lucrative.

 

[dbfish]

At first this was a great trade but now looking back on it did we really need sergio? Pendergraph was that shotblocking defensive C we needed and we gave that up for another pg when we already have udrih and reke and if we didn't trade for him we couldve resigned bjaxx right? I haven't read anything on this topic, just wondering wat yall think

If we didn't pick Pendergragh for Portland and trade for Sergio, we could have used the pick on DeJuan Blair. Now we will have 2 unhappy point guards on the bench instead of one. With his longer arms imo Blair will be a much more effective rebounder than Brockman. I don't think Blairs knees will be an issue or the Spurs wouldn't have picked him. I don't think Pendergraph will make the team in Portland,but he might catch on with somebody.

 

[HighTopKicks]

At first this was a great trade but now looking back on it did we really need sergio? Pendergraph was that shotblocking defensive C we needed and we gave that up for another pg when we already have udrih and reke and if we didn't trade for him we couldve resigned bjaxx right? I haven't read anything on this topic, just wondering wat yall think

You bring up an interesting point. That hole trade was worked out before the draft as I remember. So, maybe the Kings believed that someone they would need like Pendergraph wouldn't be available.

Or, hopefully GP has some long term plan to bring in someone better, sometime in the future. But, If I had to bet, I'd bet the Kings head into the Feb 2010 trade deadline with only one Center, and look to make the best of their expiring contracts.

 

[fxhsurjono]

The thing is pendegraph was a quality big long lanky reminds me of sean williams and speaking of which if we somehow get sean williams dam we"d b good hhaha

 

[Warhawk]

You bring up an interesting point. That hole trade was worked out before the draft as I remember. So, maybe the Kings believed that someone they would need like Pendergraph wouldn't be available.

Or, shockingly, they just wanted Sergio and this was the way to get him. The picks just took care of themselves when they saw who was available.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I'm not that high on Pendergraph's game, and I think a lot of what he does, Jason Thompson can do (which is rebound and operate as a high efficiency inside-outside offensive player). Pendergraph can develop into a poor man's PJ Brown like cog player over time, but it really depends on the team he's in...not sure the Blazers are fit for that. I'd rather see what Rodriguez's passing ability can do for us.

 

[Telemachus]

Pendergraph's game has never impressed me all that much. When I watched him in college all I ever thought was how what he did wouldn't work for him in the NBA. My guess is that he will not be in the league for very long (if he even makes it at all).

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'd say it's a wee bit early to look back on this trade. Ask again in two years.

 

[fxhsurjono]

Pendergraph's game has never impressed me all that much. When I watched him in college all I ever thought was how what he did wouldn't work for him in the NBA. My guess is that he will not be in the league for very long (if he even makes it at all).

he was the 31st pick in the draft? he'll make an NBA team. its not like he's the 60th pick, hes basicly a first rounder.

 

[SacKings7]

Well technically this trade was agreed upon before the draft even began, so maybe Petrie wanted a PG just in case the draft went Griffin-Rubio-Evans for example. In any case, I think this proves that Geoff realizes what a mistake re-signing Udrih was. I really hope he's our 3rd string PG next season

 

[Telemachus]

he was the 31st pick in the draft? he'll make an NBA team. its not like he's the 60th pick, hes basicly a first rounder.

I looked to see how the 1st player in the 2nd round faired over the past 10 years.
2 never played a game in the NBA.
5 are still in the NBA.
Of the other 3, James White played 10 games (over 2 seasons), John Celestand played 16 games, and Maciej Lampe played 64 games (over 3 seasons).

Being the 1st pick in the second round by no means guarantees a player a spot in the NBA. And if he makes it on the roster, there is still a good chance that he won't stay there very long.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well technically this trade was agreed upon before the draft even began, so maybe Petrie wanted a PG just in case the draft went Griffin-Rubio-Evans for example. In any case, I think this proves that Geoff realizes what a mistake re-signing Udrih was. I really hope he's our 3rd string PG next season

Beno is a very good back up point guard who can start in spots to cover injuries. Its just that he is overpaid for a back up. He is being paid starter like money for a back up role.

Beno as a back up PG would be one of the better back ups in the game but we cannot to carry that contract for the production that he gives.

Just because he is not a starter material it doesn't mean that he cannot play!

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't know about that one. Pendergraph is pretty average, whereas Brockman is an absolutely elite rebounder. I like Brockman myself.

 

[Aenadin]

heres the thing... if evans for some reason wasnt able to (knocks on wood) live up as our point guard.. who would you want to run the point? beno or ser-rod?

think of it this way... it could be a sign that beno is part of trade talks

i wouldnt say that it is a bad trade, it is too early to look at it that way...

getting blair would give us 2 bigs with bad knees already, may and blair.

 

[SacKings7]

Beno is a very good back up point guard who can start in spots to cover injuries. Its just that he is overpaid for a back up. He is being paid starter like money for a back up role.

Beno as a back up PG would be one of the better back ups in the game but we cannot to carry that contract for the production that he gives.

Just because he is not a starter material it doesn't mean that he cannot play!

I didn't say he couldn't play. We just paid him too much because he's not good enough to be a starter and is paid too much to sit on the bench. I'd rather see the backup PG minutes go to Sergio because I feel he hasn't really gotten a chance to show what he can do in the league yet, and I feel there is some potential to grow there.

 

[AriesMar27]

beno is trash.... petrie ****ed up by giving him that contract. he thought that beno could be a starting pg, he was wrong. he thought that douby could play pg, he was wrong. he thinks that evans can be a starting pg.... how many of you think that we will be drafting a pg next year?

sergio is the best pg we have on the team will pendergraph be a impact player that is worth having beno be our best pg? no.... hell no....

 

[fxhsurjono]

beno is trash.... petrie ****ed up by giving him that contract. he thought that beno could be a starting pg, he was wrong. he thought that douby could play pg, he was wrong. he thinks that evans can be a starting pg.... how many of you think that we will be drafting a pg next year?

sergio is the best pg we have on the team will pendergraph be a impact player that is worth having beno be our best pg? no.... hell no....

either way reke will be our starting pg from day 1, so what were really talking about here is essentially adding an extra BACKUP point rather than a backup bigman.

 

[fnordius]

This whole thread is kind of based on the premise that, had we not traded that pick, we would have drafted Pendergraph. I don't know of any reason to think that's the case, though. The FO must have thought we needed a PG, since they traded for one, so my guess is we'd probably have drafted someone like Sergio Llull if we hadn't traded for Sergio Rodriguez.

As for the argumant about whether we need a shot blocking defensive C or a pass-first PG, I think we need both, but I'd give the PG priority. My reasoning is this: we can't get a solid defensive C who blocks a lot of shots and also makes 5 assists a game, and threatens the opponent with deadly 3-point shooting. Players like that barely ever show up, and if one did, we'd be in no position to get him. So we will have to settle for a defensive C who is simply a good defensive C, and has no real PG skills.

When that C steps onto the court, we will not be able to run the offense through him, which means it's going to be up to someone at another position to be making most of our assists for us. Like, for example, a pass-first PG. If we have one of those, we have insurance against Evans not adjusting to the switch from SG to PG quickly (if at all), and can go from a Princetonian system to a more conventional offense at a moment's notice, even if it's just for a play or two. In that way, it's a good thing for us, even if we don't have a defensive C for another decade. But if we DO add one, we're ready start playing with him right away.

On the other hand, if we add the defensive C without a pass-first PG (or someone running the point at some other position), then we might become an 18 assist, 22 turnover team with intermittently better team defense. Any weakness at the point would become even more exaggerated, possibly cancelling out a lot of the benefit of the better D.

So I absolutely do want both, but I want the PG first. I'm very glad to have Rodriguez.

 

[bajaden]

The thing is pendegraph was a quality big long lanky reminds me of sean williams and speaking of which if we somehow get sean williams dam we"d b good hhaha

Sorry! I don't see the comparison of Pendegraph to Williams. Williams is far more athletic. I'm not a big Pendegraph fan. I tried very hard to like him last year. He just disappeared too much in games to suit me. .

 

[bajaden]

he was the 31st pick in the draft? he'll make an NBA team. its not like he's the 60th pick, hes basicly a first rounder.

It doesn't matter where your picked. What matters is whether you can play or not. Please, don't start elevating Pendegraph into something he's not. He was a dissappointement in college, so don't expect him to suddenly become the next Ben Wallace.

 

[fxhsurjono]

So I absolutely do want both, but I want the PG first. I'm very glad to have Rodriguez.

i agree we need both, but what im saying is why do we stock up on pg's when we have 4-5 if we resigned bjaxx or solomon, towards the end of the season solomon was playing solid pg, looked like he can run the princeton to some degree, now spanish chocolate is a pure point guard, but he's going to backup reke, now my point is, if we drafted pendergraph, we still have solomon, bjaxx, reke and udrih and yea udrih solomon or bjaxx is not a PURE point guard, but they are capable of running the offense, something that we expect from sergio. all im saying is udrih, bjaxx or solomon can do most of the things sergio can do, so why not try to add depth at the 5, when we have a logjamm at the 1. does anyone here sergio will be our starting point or our point of the future? now granted we also go brock but again thats another guy at a position we already have a logjam in, jt, may, kt (even tho he's going to ride the bench) but he's still going to get some cleanup scrub minutes. now kt, may and brock is to short to back up hawes, so why not get lets say pendergraph who can back up the 5 and also play pf. i know im just ranting but i hope you see what im trying to say.

 

[fxhsurjono]

It doesn't matter where your picked. What matters is whether you can play or not. Please, don't start elevating Pendegraph into something he's not. He was a dissappointement in college, so don't expect him to suddenly become the next Ben Wallace.

im not saying he's going to be the next ben wallace all im saying is he's the young backup 4-5 that we want, would yu rather have pendergraph, steven hunter, or robert swift? and it doesn't matter where you are picked, but if your picked over blair and others there must be something that the scouts and FO see in pendergraph to take him over the others right?

 

[fnordius]

i agree we need both, but what im saying is why do we stock up on pg's when we have 4-5 if we resigned bjaxx or solomon...

Yeah. But we didn't stock up on PGs, we waived Solomon before the season was over, and there are no rumors that we're re-signing BJax... or even that he'd want to come back. So, as of the moment OKC was naming their pick, Udrih was our only PG, just like Hawes was our only C. After the draft, we had 3 PGs, which is the right number. We still only had 1 C, which sucks. But I wouldn't be blaming it on the 3 PGs, when we have at least 4 guys who can play PF, and SF, and SG. Instead, I'd be asking why we got two thick & stubby PFs, and one 6'9" SF, none of whom are really NBA center material.

 

[Telemachus]

im not saying he's going to be the next ben wallace all im saying is he's the young backup 4-5 that we want, would yu rather have pendergraph, steven hunter, or robert swift? and it doesn't matter where you are picked, but if your picked over blair and others there must be something that the scouts and FO see in pendergraph to take him over the others right?

I would rather have Robert Swift than Pendergraph any day. He has much more potential IMO. With Hunter, it all depends on how his knees are. If they are fine (which I doubt), then he would be a nice back up.

As for why Pendergragh was taken before Blair, that had much more to do with Blair's knees than anything Pendergragh had to offer. If not for his knees, Blair probably would have gone in the top 15 picks.

 

[fxhsurjono]

I would rather have Robert Swift

swift was a lottery and i disagree, i think pendergraph would be better than swifts current state

 

[Kings Faithful]

If we didn't pick Pendergragh for Portland and trade for Sergio, we could have used the pick on DeJuan Blair. Now we will have 2 unhappy point guards on the bench instead of one. With his longer arms imo Blair will be a much more effective rebounder than Brockman. I don't think Blairs knees will be an issue or the Spurs wouldn't have picked him. I don't think Pendergraph will make the team in Portland,but he might catch on with somebody.

How could you go wrong with where he was picked at? Think about it... He was projected to go as high as 13 at one point. For him to fall as far as he did says quite alot... Not only did we pass him up with our first pick, we passed up a chance to nab him AGAIN. I would have liked him too, but you got to think that there has to be something wrong when 30 teams pass him up and some even pass him up again.

 

[Smills91]

How could you go wrong with where he was picked at? Think about it... He was projected to go as high as 13 at one point. For him to fall as far as he did says quite alot... Not only did we pass him up with our first pick, we passed up a chance to nab him AGAIN. I would have liked him too, but you got to think that there has to be something wrong when 30 teams pass him up and some even pass him up again.

We passed him with #4 and #23, but #31 was Portland(as that pick had already been dealt) passing on him. He was picked #37 and we picked #38, so we missed passing on him again by one slot.

 

[bajaden]

im not saying he's going to be the next ben wallace all im saying is he's the young backup 4-5 that we want, would yu rather have pendergraph, steven hunter, or robert swift? and it doesn't matter where you are picked, but if your picked over blair and others there must be something that the scouts and FO see in pendergraph to take him over the others right?

I'm sure the scouts saw the same thing I saw, and I watched a lot of his games. They saw a guy that was an underachiever for the talent he had. This isn't a guy that just came out of highschool. He would show in brief moments a glimpse of his ability, and then receed back to just another big stiff on the floor. When your picking in the second round, you make choices on guys that maybe in the right situation, they'll bloom. In other words, your taking a chance on someone that may or may not be a player in the NBA.

Your raise Blair at though he's some sort of standard to be measured against. I wish him all the best. I liked him at Pitt. But he's proven nothing yet. And until he does, at this point he's no better than Pendegraph on paper.

By the way, Gray may be a guy that can back up the center position, but trust me, he can't play the 4 postion. He's just not quick enough. He's barely quick enough to play the 5, and thats questionable.