LeBron James may have a planet-sized ego, BUT...

Are you going to watch the LeBron James special?


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piksi

Hall of Famer
#33
my friend just called me and told me the 'grea" news

adding another team to my hate list

Lebron is a wuss and will never be one of the greatest. hell, I even resoect kobe more now and i don't respect kobe at all
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#34
my friend just called me and told me the 'grea" news

adding another team to my hate list

Lebron is a wuss and will never be one of the greatest. hell, I even resoect kobe more now and i don't respect kobe at all
On the one hand, I personally think it's a virtue that he's basically decided that winning a championship is more important than being The Man on a team that can't win.

On the other hand, I'd like to see Atlanta trade Jordan Crawford to Cleveland tomorrow.
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
#35
all the greatest players won the title with teams they started with

Lebron gave up or let's better say - he realized that he isn't in kobe's league
 
#36
Didn't want to watch it, but couldn't resist.

And I agree with Slim, Cleveland had 7 years with LeBron, and they couldn't quite get there. He's putting his $$ where his mouth is, and apparently taking a pay cut to win it all. Not quite Malone/Payton carpetbagging, as this is a new team they're assembling.

Still, would have preferred that he stayed.
 
#40
If nothing else, it gives everyone a team that's really enjoyable to root against and satisfying to beat.

If they ever win less than 70 games, fail to win the title, or let a playoff series go more than five games, chants of "FAILURE" should rain down upon them. :p
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
#41
sure if you make top 100 then you can put all of them in

make it top 5 greatest which is what Lebron was aiming for

maybe he is made for the 2nd fiddle since it is Dwayne's team

they will break the FTA all time record
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#42
Damn, how'd I forget about O?

Someone with access to a time machine has provided me with a snapshot of the Q this coming season:

 
#44
They don't call it the "mistake by the lake" for nothin.' I think, in fact I know, Cleveland is the most dumped on city in the east - maybe Detroit comes in a close second. I wonder what city is the most dumped on in the west? Don't answer that!
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#45
sure if you make top 100 then you can put all of them in

make it top 5 greatest which is what Lebron was aiming for

maybe he is made for the 2nd fiddle since it is Dwayne's team

they will break the FTA all time record
Top 100? If you have a list of the ten greatest players in NBA history, and Shaquille O'Neal isn't on it, your list is counterfeit. I personally have Shaq as the fifth-best player of all time, only behind Jordan, Russell, Johnson and Chamberlain, and just ahead of Mikan, Bird and Robertson.
 
#46
I personally have Shaq as the fifth-best player of all time, only behind Jordan, Russell, Johnson and Chamberlain, and just ahead of Mikan, Bird and Robertson.
Even though two-time NBA champ Hakeem Olajuwon dominated Shaq everytime they faced off when it meant something. Sort of the same way Olajuwon dominated Patrick Ewing and David Robinson.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#47
Even though two-time NBA champ Hakeem Olajuwon dominated Shaq everytime they faced off when it meant something. Sort of the same way Olajuwon dominated Patrick Ewing and David Robinson.
Eh... Sure, Dream in his prime dominated a young Shaq, no question. And then, the next time they faced in the playoffs, Shaq was in his prime, and he dominated Dream. In the final analysis, they're 1-1 against each other in the playoffs, and Shaq has more rings. Why would you consider Dream to be better?
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
#48
Top 100? If you have a list of the ten greatest players in NBA history, and Shaquille O'Neal isn't on it, your list is counterfeit. I personally have Shaq as the fifth-best player of all time, only behind Jordan, Russell, Johnson and Chamberlain, and just ahead of Mikan, Bird and Robertson.

if he is - your list is counterfeit
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#49
Bull****... I mean, it's been brought to my attention that I left off Kareem, but that still puts him at #6.

So, I'll give you Jordan, Russell, Magic, Wilt and Kareem. I dare you to name five more better players.
 
#51
If nothing else, it gives everyone a team that's really enjoyable to root against and satisfying to beat.
Meh... I would like to see them win one championship and would root for them to beat the Lakers every single time. But it sure will be nice to see the Kings of 2013 beat the Heat in the Finals.
 
#52
all the greatest players won the title with teams they started with

Lebron gave up or let's better say - he realized that he isn't in kobe's league
No offense, but this post is incredibly dumb. Not only did all the greatest players NOT win with the teams they started with, as has been demonstrated in this thread, some of the greatest players didn't even win. [rant]Charles Barkley was just on NBATV complaining about how it would have meant more if LeBron had done something special in Cleveland, but didn't Sir Charles force his way onto the Rockets Dream Squad in '99? Wasn't that after he forced his way out of Philly to go play with Kevin Johnson and Co.?[/rant]

Secondly, Kobe hasn't won **** without another top ten player on his team. Couldn't even get out of the first round. Meanwhile, LeBron was taking the Harlem Globetrotters to the NBA Finals.
 
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#54
No offense, but this post is incredibly dumb. Not only did all the greatest players NOT win with the teams they started with, as has been demonstrated in this thread, some of the greatest players didn't even win. [rant]Charles Barkley was just on NBATV complaining about how it would have meant more if LeBron had done something special in Cleveland, but didn't Sir Charles force his way onto the Rockets Dream Squad in '99? Wasn't that after he forced his way out of Philly to go play with Kevin Johnson and Co.?[/rant]

Secondly, Kobe hasn't won **** without another top ten player on his team. Couldn't even get out of the first round. Meanwhile, LeBron was taking the Harlem Globetrotters to the NBA Finals.
Gasol was not even considered top 10 before he got paired with Kobe.

Funny. Players get teamed with Kobe and become better. Guys get paired with Lebron and become Harlem Globetrotters.
 
#55
Gasol was not even considered top 10 before he got paired with Kobe.

Funny. Players get teamed with Kobe and become better. Guys get paired with Lebron and become Harlem Globetrotters.
Most people didn't know how good Pau Gasol was. He was no less than the third best big man in the NBA when he got traded. Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett(?), Pau Gasol. Maybe Elton Brand goes ahead of him at the time. And maybe he wasn't considered top ten at the time. He's top ten now, and it's not about Kobe's great post-entry passes. It's because he is more skilled offensively than any other big in the game.

And who exactly went to Cleveland, in their prime, and regressed as a player?
 
#56
Most people didn't know how good Pau Gasol was. He was no less than the third best big man in the NBA when he got traded. Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett(?), Pau Gasol. Maybe Elton Brand goes ahead of him at the time. And maybe he wasn't considered top ten at the time. He's top ten now, and it's not about Kobe's great post-entry passes. It's because he is more skilled offensively than any other big in the game.

And who exactly went to Cleveland, in their prime, and regressed as a player?
Does Larry Hughes fit?
 
#57
Secondly, Kobe hasn't won **** without another top ten player on his team. Couldn't even get out of the first round. Meanwhile, LeBron was taking the Harlem Globetrotters to the NBA Finals.
Well, to be fair.. the Cavs ARE in the East and Lebron took them to the finals in 2007 which was really, the Easts final bad year. Since then, in a more competitive East, the Cavs never made it back. They made it to the ECF of course, but that could be due to lack of competition in the regular season which lead to home court adv. etc etc.

Also, Lebron did have Ilguaskas, Boozer, Ben Wallace in the past... Mo Williams has had career years... and this year he had Jamison and Shaq as well as Delonte. I wouldn't call these guys globetrotters.

The two areas in which Kobe has had an advantage is: a) Prime Shaq and b) Phil Jackson.

That's pretty much it.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#58
Far be it form me to accidentally defend Kobe, even by proxy, but Gasol was not Top 10 before, nor after arriving in Cleveland. This idea that being able to play in Kobe's shadow somehow makes you some god is ridiculous and I am getting really annoyed at the ridiculous largely media and Laker fan driven overestimation of a 1x All Star who is about a 18 and 8 or 19 and 9 guy by nature. Good player, but people are being ridiculous. He's just another good big man. The player that Kobe needed of course, but strictly a second fiddle. Top 10 guys are guys who should get HOF consideration. With Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Amare, Boozer, Jefferson etc. all sitting at the position, he might not even be Top 5 at his own position.

If a guy is Top 10 you shoudl be able to take him from hsi current team, trade him to a team without a superstar, and build a contender around him. In no way is Pau in that class. I can name 8 guys ahead of him on that curve without even blinking: LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Howard, CP3, Melo, Durant, and have far too many contenders for the last two spots for a guy who's averaged 20-10 once in his whole career to nab it: Duncan, Yao, Roy, Amare, Bosh, our own Tyreke if he contiues his upward arc, Deron, Rose (with improvement) Joe Johnson, Nash etc.

And the subtext to all of this is of course that somehow there is now a rule that in order to keep a young superstar player you have to win a title with him by the time he's 25. Which just qaulifies as a "are you serious"? The kid isn't even truly in his prime yet, but if you haven't delivered him a title by then its perfectly justified for him to pull up stakes and ditch you no matter how close you are because obviously he's never going to win one with you. Afterall, just look at all those poor ringless one team guys like Jordan (first at 27) Hakeem (first at 31) Isiah (first at 29) Admiral (first at 30) etc. Poor bastards having to wait until they were old enough to drink before their teams finally delivered a title to them.
 
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#60
Well, to be fair.. the Cavs ARE in the East and Lebron took them to the finals in 2007 which was really, the Easts final bad year. Since then, in a more competitive East, the Cavs never made it back. They made it to the ECF of course, but that could be due to lack of competition in the regular season which lead to home court adv. etc etc.

Also, Lebron did have Ilguaskas, Boozer, Ben Wallace in the past... Mo Williams has had career years... and this year he had Jamison and Shaq as well as Delonte. I wouldn't call these guys globetrotters.

The two areas in which Kobe has had an advantage is: a) Prime Shaq and b) Phil Jackson.

That's pretty much it.
I was talking specifically about 2007. Still, the list of teammates LeBron has had in the past four years is trumped by the teammates Kobe has had, and once you consider Pau Gasol, it's not even a debate.