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[Jose]

Ends with a bit of a cliffhanger.

Understatement of the year.

 

[bibbinator]

Do not see Pirates of the Carribean 2!

Everyone who sees it recieves a phone call and then dies exactly 7 days later!

If you die 7 days from now you won't know what happens with Bonzi!

Thus, you should not see POC 2.

(Bringing it back around.)

 

[Jerryaki]

I don't think it was as good as the first, but not bad at all. I'd see it again. Ends with a bit of a cliffhanger.

so is it worth full price or matinee? it didn't get great reviews here on the east as far as the story goes, and so i ended up letting my girlfriend pick the devil wears prada instead.

 

[Warhawk]

so is it worth full price or matinee? it didn't get great reviews here on the east as far as the story goes, and so i ended up letting my girlfriend pick the devil wears prada instead.

For me, I was fine with full price (that's what I paid). If you enjoyed the first you will like this one as well, I think. A bit more of a roller-coaster ride with a little less plot (or maybe less-explained plot ) and a few too many over-the-top stunts, but that is to be expected....

There is one character I had a hard time understanding at times because of a heavy accent, but she has a smallish part overall and didn't detract too much from the film.

 

[VF21]

Okay, there is a fairly long thread in the Lounge about POC2. One thing I'd ask everyone to remember is NOT everyone has seen it yet, so if you have to discuss it, please don't ruin it for others.

LIKE ME!!!

 

[Sac.Kings]

And me

 

[Warhawk]

Okay, there is a fairly long thread in the Lounge about POC2. One thing I'd ask everyone to remember is NOT everyone has seen it yet, so if you have to discuss it, please don't ruin it for others.

LIKE ME!!!

Hence the reason we posted no spoilers, mate. Saavy?

 

[VF21]

Kingsgurl keeps doing that, too...

And it's driving me nuts!! I want to see that movie, blast it, and I want to see it now!!!!!!!!!

 

[BigWaxer]

Hence the reason we posted no spoilers, mate. Saavy?

IMO best movie of the year to date

(call me)

 

[Kingsgurl]

Hey, do you know how hard I have tried NOT to spoil it for you. It ain't easy, mate. Savvy?

 

[TheJoker]

If Bonzi leaves who are we gonna replace him with?

 

[Kings113]

Kevin Martin would start most likely, and we'd get a decent swingman off the FA market (Ju. Jones/Ariza/Profit) or if one comes in a S/T for Bonzi.

 

[ParniValjak]

That would be very good for us, especially if K-9 can be sent somewhere. Gooden blocks shots and is a geat rebounder.

Since when? He has never averaged a block per game. Not in one single season in the NBA. Brad Miller is a better shot-blocker than Gooden.

 

[Kings113]

Gooden is NOT our, or an answer, for improving our interior defense. Plus, he wants a lot of money, and is not worth trading Bonzi for.

Overall it's not realistic... Larry Hughes is there and then you have Gooden's overall situation. Let the Bulls/Cavs/Wizards go after him.

 

[Sac.Kings]

If Gooden would come to Sacramento, i would be pissed. It would show that defense is not a top priority.

 

[Bricklayer]

Gooden is NOT our, or an answer, for improving our interior defense. Plus, he wants a lot of money, and is not worth trading Bonzi for.

Overall it's not realistic... Larry Hughes is there and then you have Gooden's overall situation. Let the Bulls/Cavs/Wizards go after him.

Oh, I think the Cavs could use Bonzi -- they'd have the absolute nastiest group of 2/3s in the league, could run LeBron or Larry some at the point to free up time, could go small for stretches with LeBron at PF (like to see Brad as PF guard him), and might gererally kick some booty. Stay healthy, and it could be very interesting. But they have nothing we want/need that they are willing to part with. Gooden, Damon Jones, etc. In that case, let's just pay our own guy and go home.

 

[Kings113]

Oh, they could use him... sure. I wasn't saying that, just that it's unlikely because Bonzi won't be coming off the bench, questionable whether Hughes does or they want to do that, and do they even want to give Hughes up. Plus they're really high on Shannon Brown and he'll be playing right away off the bench as a back-up SG/PG.

 

[Bricklayer]

Oh, they could use him... sure. I wasn't saying that, just that it's unlikely because Bonzi won't be coming off the bench, questionable whether Hughes does or they want to do that, and do they even want to give Hughes up. Plus they're really high on Shannon Brown and he'll be playing right away off the bench as a back-up SG/PG.

Not if they get Bonzi he won't.

Kids are kids. Sometimes you get a good one. But in any draft you'd be lucky to get 3 or 4 in the entire draft as good as Bonzi (crazy years like 2003 aside). Especially when you're trying to move into contention to convince LBJ to sign that next big extension, no time to worry about the Shannon Browns of the world.

 

[xyrin]

I actually hope we sign and trade Bonzi for a good player, possibly Nene or Camby (we'd probably have to give them something else for this). If we really needed another swingman afterwards, I would love to sign Ariza. I think the kid has A LOT of potential at only 21 years old.

 

[TXSactoFan]

nene signed with the nuggets today... there goes that dream.

 

[Kings113]

Not if they get Bonzi he won't.

Kids are kids. Sometimes you get a good one. But in any draft you'd be lucky to get 3 or 4 in the entire draft as good as Bonzi (crazy years like 2003 aside). Especially when you're trying to move into contention to convince LBJ to sign that next big extension, no time to worry about the Shannon Browns of the world.

Obviously if they got Bonzi, but you add that in along with the Hughes stuff, and it makes it more against getting Bonzi.

I actually hope we sign and trade Bonzi for a good player, possibly Nene or Camby (we'd probably have to give them something else for this). If we really needed another swingman afterwards, I would love to sign Ariza. I think the kid has A LOT of potential at only 21 years old.

Agreed.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Whats going on with the Bonzi situation or are there no updates so far?

 

[hammystyle]

Not if they get Bonzi he won't.

Kids are kids. Sometimes you get a good one. But in any draft you'd be lucky to get 3 or 4 in the entire draft as good as Bonzi (crazy years like 2003 aside). Especially when you're trying to move into contention to convince LBJ to sign that next big extension, no time to worry about the Shannon Browns of the world.

I hate to knitpick, but this is in line with the general overrating of Bonzi on this board. While its true that Bonzi is definitely better than most first rounders (and is likely better than Shannon Brown will evetr be), there are usually anywhere from 6-12 players that I would say are CLEARLY better than him in any given draft, and maybe some who are arguably as good or better.

 

[AleksandarN]

What about Carlos Boozer from the Jazz?

 

[VF21]

Whats going on with the Bonzi situation or are there no updates so far?

No updates so far. Of course, there is the whole "ARENA" thing going on.

 

[Bricklayer]

I hate to knitpick, but this is in line with the general overrating of Bonzi on this board. While its true that Bonzi is definitely better than most first rounders (and is likely better than Shannon Brown will evetr be), there are usually anywhere from 6-12 players that I would say are CLEARLY better than him in any given draft, and maybe some who are arguably as good or better.

Oh really.

Let's jsut go back by draft.

Guys better than Bonzi:

2005 -- Paul. Its early though and several others might be one day.
2004 -- Howard, and likely Okafor (assuming his injuries are healed). Several others in Bonzi's general range. Igoudala, Gordon etc.
2003 -- one of the all time best drafts -- LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade. And yet other than those 4...Howard, West, Heinrich, Diaw all in Bonzi's general class but not demonstrably superior.
2002 -- Yao, Amare, Butler, and probably Prince (althoguh that's a close one).
2001 -- Pau, Richardson, Johnson, Jefferson, Parker, maybe Randolph if he's ever healthy again. SXeveral others at Bonzi's level.
2000 -- weak draft -- not a single player clearly better than Bonzi. A few int eh general area (Magliore, Hedo, Miller, Mason etc.)
1999 -- another strong draft, about 6-8 better
1998 -- Bonzi drafted


If anything people UNDErestimate Bonzi. Was a time before all the attitude issues that he was widely regarded as a future All-Star and all around stud. He's that talented. His career went another direction, but he is a player of significance in this league, and unless you're drafting Top 10 you are rarely going to score a guy as good as he is.

 

[Sac.Kings]

No updates so far. Of course, there is the whole "ARENA" thing going on.

I know .

 

[whozit]

No updates so far. Of course, there is the whole "ARENA" thing going on.

I could see them being quiet for at least a day or two. I wouldn't think they would want to take away any of the attention from the agreement that been reached before it becomes "just old news." While they have the publics attention, it's a good time to put in some overdue groundwork in terms of education and such.

If it's a forgone conclusion that he won't be back AND he is just walking, I think (or possibly just hope ) it would be out there since there wouldn't be any incentive for the agent to remain silent.

 

[hammystyle]

^^ I'll start with 2002, 04 and 05 are to soon to tell, and 03 was pretty unusual.

02 - Yours plus Boozer. Gooden is at least comparable, he's a great rebounding big man with offensive skill. That's 5-6.
01 - Yours plus Arenas, and Randolph is pretty safe I think. 7.
00 - You're right. Bad draft. But Redd is clearly better, I would say Kenyon is pretty safe, and maybe Magloire. 2-3
99 - Brand, AK-47, Marion, Manu, Steve Francis, Andre Miller, Baron Davis, and Artest are better for sure. J-Terry and Rip hamilton are arguable. 8-10.
98 - Bonzi drafted, but Dirk, Vince, Miller, Pierce, Antawn, Rashard Lewis, and Bibby are better for sure. 7 + a few comparables.

I need to leave work now so....
97- I count 4
96 - 12
95 - 6

There's a thing in the NBA draft section of espn.com where John Hollinger goes over the drafts since 95 and shows how it would probably go now. I just looked at them quickly and picked the gus I think are better.

So most years I think 6-12 are better.

I think that Bonzi might be a little underrated league-wide, but is also overrated on this board.

 

[Bricklayer]

^^ I'll start with 2002, 04 and 05 are to soon to tell, and 03 was pretty unusual.

02 - Yours plus Boozer. Gooden is at least comparable, he's a great rebounding big man with offensive skill. That's 5-6.
01 - Yours plus Arenas, and Randolph is pretty safe I think. 7.
00 - You're right. Bad draft. But Redd is clearly better, I would say Kenyon is pretty safe, and maybe Magloire. 2-3
99 - Brand, AK-47, Marion, Manu, Steve Francis, Andre Miller, Baron Davis, and Artest are better for sure. J-Terry and Rip hamilton are arguable. 8-10.
98 - Bonzi drafted, but Dirk, Vince, Miller, Pierce, Antawn, Rashard Lewis, and Bibby are better for sure. 7 + a few comparables.

I need to leave work now so....
97- I count 4
96 - 12
95 - 6

There's a thing in the NBA draft section of espn.com where John Hollinger goes over the drafts since 95 and shows how it would probably go now. I just looked at them quickly and picked the gus I think are better.

So most years I think 6-12 are better.

I think that Bonzi might be a little underrated league-wide, but is also overrated on this board.

Boozedr has proven nthing that Bonzi hasn't. Gooden is Kenny Thomas reduct. Neither is better than Bonzi, sorry.

I'd forgotten about Arenas in the 2nd round. That's an obvious one.

Ditto Redd. Kenyon may have been a little better, maybe. Not anymore of course. Magliore = no go. What's he, 9 and 9 for his career? Same class only because fo the position he plays.

BTW, Bibby and in particular Miller are not necessarily out of range either. On the outsiede looking in All-Stars. Support players. You want to give Bonzi the minutes he'll chip in about 17 and 6.