Larry Brown? (merged)
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I have to say, that I am NOT interested in Brown as our coach. I just think that would be like putting a lit match on some dry leaves and hoping that it does not catch fire. I think that we have too many short fused players for LB to manage. I think he is a great coach, just not for this team. If the Maloofs do hire him, I HOPE that I am wrong. It is a very scary prospect in my mind.
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to be honest i would take anyone BUT LB...... the dude is the opposite direction from where the kings are headed... we are trying to mold Martin and Garcia for the future of our franchise and LB would kill that from happening.... look what he did to Darko in Detroit..... hes a great coach, but not one that fits the Kings state of mind
I would definetely agree, because I just dont know how much LB has left in his tank at this point...its been a tiring last few years, even going back to before the Pistons with AI, of course. I would just hate to see us fall into another Dick Motta situation...errr...Bill Russell....another big name legend coach(or in Russell's case, player-coach with the Celts), and then have him not able to bring his 'A' game plan because of whatever reason. I would rather see us bring in Carlesimo or Eddie Jordan than him. LB would be a definete gamble...but we are talking about the Maloofs here, right??
Oh really?
Same guys who bungled this most recent situation (as well as that of several former players), have badly misplayed the arena discussions, greenlighted the gold unis and giant cheesy #6 etc. etc.?
I trust neither of those parties particulalry. Maybe they get it right. Maybe not. But they certainly are more than capable of ****ing up even relatively simple transactions.
Same guys who bungled this most recent situation (as well as that of several former players), have badly misplayed the arena discussions, greenlighted the gold unis and giant cheesy #6 etc. etc.?
I trust neither of those parties particulalry. Maybe they get it right. Maybe not. But they certainly are more than capable of ****ing up even relatively simple transactions.
I don't know about Brown, lots of upside, could potentially make us a contender, but the downside would mean a full rebuilding, (not the minny rebuilding we're in now.) Sacramento has a history of taking guys with questions marks over their character and maximizing their talent, but was that Sacramento or Adelman?
My main concern with Brown taking over the reins would be on the offensive side of the ball. Recall that one of Ron's complaints (and take it with a pound of salt b/c it's Ron) in Indy was that the offense was too rigid under Rick Carlisle.
Now also recall how much the Pistons players have supposedly enjoyed being free of Brown's simplified, slow-it-down offensive system this year in running up 64 wins (ignoring that they are on the verge of getting bounced by the Cavs for the moment).
Will Larry get better effort defensively out of guys like Bibby and Miller? Undoubtedly.
But will he put such a stranglehold on the offense that Ron again becomes frustrated and starts mouthing off to the media about not liking it here, etc., etc.? Possibly, and I'm not sure hiring Brown for two years is worth that risk.
Most of the Kings (Miller excluded) stepped up their defensive intensity due to Ron's presence over the last half of the season, anyway. Kenny Thomas can't help that he is only 6'8". To some extent, Miller can't help that he has almost no athleticism compared to his opponent on an NBA floor. Upgrading certain positions is more important at this point than worrying about whether Brown can come in and get the Kings back to the 50-win plateau and catch lighting in a bottle for a second time in the next two years, imho.
Now also recall how much the Pistons players have supposedly enjoyed being free of Brown's simplified, slow-it-down offensive system this year in running up 64 wins (ignoring that they are on the verge of getting bounced by the Cavs for the moment).
Will Larry get better effort defensively out of guys like Bibby and Miller? Undoubtedly.
But will he put such a stranglehold on the offense that Ron again becomes frustrated and starts mouthing off to the media about not liking it here, etc., etc.? Possibly, and I'm not sure hiring Brown for two years is worth that risk.
Most of the Kings (Miller excluded) stepped up their defensive intensity due to Ron's presence over the last half of the season, anyway. Kenny Thomas can't help that he is only 6'8". To some extent, Miller can't help that he has almost no athleticism compared to his opponent on an NBA floor. Upgrading certain positions is more important at this point than worrying about whether Brown can come in and get the Kings back to the 50-win plateau and catch lighting in a bottle for a second time in the next two years, imho.
This is getting ridiculous. Flip Saunders didn't play Darko either. Was LB mad about that pick? You bet. But no matter what Darko develops into, selecting him will forever have been a bad idea for the Pistons considering the other talent on the board, particularly Wade. However, there are just not any minutes to be had for a player like Darko on the current Pistons team, under any coach. I think Darko has a bright future, but he also didn't do himself any favors while he was in Detroit.
Martin and Garcia are two young hustlers who like to play D. Garcia, especially, could become a Larry Brown favorite. And Larry is a teacher of the game above all else, which is why he alone is successful in both college and the NBA. As long as they stay attentive and respectful, and play hard defense, Larry will take the time to grow them as players.
Martin and Garcia are two young hustlers who like to play D. Garcia, especially, could become a Larry Brown favorite. And Larry is a teacher of the game above all else, which is why he alone is successful in both college and the NBA. As long as they stay attentive and respectful, and play hard defense, Larry will take the time to grow them as players.
"Pacers offense too rigid"=The ball goes through Jermaine O'Neal and not Ron. We don't have any other superstars on the Kings. Larry may force Bibby to become more of a distributor, but I don't think anyone would complain about that. Bill Simmons wrote a great article of how the rules changes have affected the PG position, and why the more traditional PGs are successful again.
The more I think about this, the more a two-year lease on Larry Brown doesn't sound all that bad. I have the feeling that the summer of 2008 will be another transition year for the Kings, considering:
1. Ron will likely opt out and be an unrestricted FA.
2. Kevin will be a RFA.
3. Mike will be entering a $14 million expiring contract.
And Bonzi should be expiring around then too.
Note: Hoopsworld says Kevin will have a team option for that year. Hoopshype says he'll be an RFA. Any ideas? Either way, that summer you look to dump Bibby and Bonzi's contracts for draft picks, then rebuild around a resigned Kevin, and if they're around, SAR and Cisco, as well as whoever we get in a S&T for Ron. Hopefully we'll have won a title in those two years, because I see Ron leaving just for the sake of leaving no matter what happens. We'll see. Just some random 3 a.m. thoughts
1. Ron will likely opt out and be an unrestricted FA.
2. Kevin will be a RFA.
3. Mike will be entering a $14 million expiring contract.
And Bonzi should be expiring around then too.
Note: Hoopsworld says Kevin will have a team option for that year. Hoopshype says he'll be an RFA. Any ideas? Either way, that summer you look to dump Bibby and Bonzi's contracts for draft picks, then rebuild around a resigned Kevin, and if they're around, SAR and Cisco, as well as whoever we get in a S&T for Ron. Hopefully we'll have won a title in those two years, because I see Ron leaving just for the sake of leaving no matter what happens. We'll see. Just some random 3 a.m. thoughts
I agree that the offensive personnel on the Pacers and Kings is different, but that doesn't mean that LB doesn't prefer a slow-down, grind it out type of game, which the article you referenced thinks may no longer be part of the NBA.
And Artest isn't Kobe or Lebron on the offensive side of the ball, so I find it hard to believe that LB would give him free reign on offense.
If a coach with LB's ability were on the market and could likely be considered to be with the Kings for a longer period than 2-3 years, I'd be much more in favor of hiring that coach. I am just not entirely sold that LB is the best coach for this Kings team right now.
And Artest isn't Kobe or Lebron on the offensive side of the ball, so I find it hard to believe that LB would give him free reign on offense.
If a coach with LB's ability were on the market and could likely be considered to be with the Kings for a longer period than 2-3 years, I'd be much more in favor of hiring that coach. I am just not entirely sold that LB is the best coach for this Kings team right now.
LPKingsFan said:
...then rebuild around a resigned Kevin, and if they're around, SAR and Cisco, as well as whoever we get in a S&T for Ron. Hopefully we'll have won a title in those two years, because I see Ron leaving just for the sake of leaving no matter what happens. We'll see. Just some random 3 a.m. thoughts
this is several posts back, but i think its worth bringing up again. the problem with the source of this thread (voison's article), is that it claims that the maloofs should not think about it and just sign brown outright. these kind of articles scare me because they reflect the gambler's attitude that the maloofs have. "don't think about it"?!?! what could be more dangerous for a franchise on the rise again? i bolded the above part of the quote because it addresses an incredibly key issue. in voison's article, she states that she knows that brown loves to come in, earn some money, stay for a couple of years, then bolt. if we have brown for two years screwing up ron's psyche, and larry bolts for a new team or retirement, and ron bolts to a larger market franchise that'll throw money at him, what then? star defender and leader of the team? gone. fiery defensive head coach? gone. bibby and miller (and possibly wells)? two years older. kevin martin? remains to be seen, but i don't think he'd do well under brown for two years.
what i'm saying is, i see an incredible risk in brown, and the payoff doesn't seem to equal the risk in my mind. you can bring in a lotta coaches who would bring about the same payoff, but without the ego, attitude, short term commitments, and overall risk. it is good to hear at least one report, though (even if it comes from new york), that claims the maloofs aren't interested in brown's ego.
what i'm saying is, i see an incredible risk in brown, and the payoff doesn't seem to equal the risk in my mind. you can bring in a lotta coaches who would bring about the same payoff, but without the ego, attitude, short term commitments, and overall risk. it is good to hear at least one report, though (even if it comes from new york), that claims the maloofs aren't interested in brown's ego.
Big difference.
Petrie never said anything about NOT just letting Adelman walk at the end of his contract. If anything, I think he probably knew quite a while ago that things just weren't very good between his coach and his owners.
As far as trading Peja goes, the handwriting was pretty much on the wall about that one, too. It may have been the Peja for ARTEST part that bore scrunity, but not that Peja's time may also have passed.
The situation with Larry Brown, however, is different. First Brown has made it clear before that he's only interested in the bright lights of the big cities. Sacramento just wouldn't appeal. AND, on the other side of the coin, my personal opinion is the very appeal Brown might have for the owners could be exactly the reason the Maloofs don't bring him. He's too much the media hog. Whereas they've said after the fact they wanted Adelman to be out and about more, bonding with fans more, etc. I strongly doubt Joe and Gavin would like to share the media spotlight to the extend Larry Brown would demand it.
When talking with the Maloofs, I'm sure Petrie could/would point out that the last thing they want right now especially is a high-maintenance individual who could alienate fans, players, VOTERS and potential arena backers all in one fell swoop.
Petrie never said anything about NOT just letting Adelman walk at the end of his contract. If anything, I think he probably knew quite a while ago that things just weren't very good between his coach and his owners.
As far as trading Peja goes, the handwriting was pretty much on the wall about that one, too. It may have been the Peja for ARTEST part that bore scrunity, but not that Peja's time may also have passed.
The situation with Larry Brown, however, is different. First Brown has made it clear before that he's only interested in the bright lights of the big cities. Sacramento just wouldn't appeal. AND, on the other side of the coin, my personal opinion is the very appeal Brown might have for the owners could be exactly the reason the Maloofs don't bring him. He's too much the media hog. Whereas they've said after the fact they wanted Adelman to be out and about more, bonding with fans more, etc. I strongly doubt Joe and Gavin would like to share the media spotlight to the extend Larry Brown would demand it.
When talking with the Maloofs, I'm sure Petrie could/would point out that the last thing they want right now especially is a high-maintenance individual who could alienate fans, players, VOTERS and potential arena backers all in one fell swoop.
She wants someone else that's noteworthy so she doesn't feel bad about bashing him when the team is losing and praise him when the guy is winning.
I like her writing style and her knowledge of the game, but the woman has gotta pick a side and stick to it. She bounces back and forth more than an LA fan.
I like her writing style and her knowledge of the game, but the woman has gotta pick a side and stick to it. She bounces back and forth more than an LA fan.
