[Game] Kings vs. Pacers, 11/07/21 3pm Pacific 6pm Eastern

[krylia sovetov]

i knew that luke's 8 man rotation will bite in the a$$ sooner or later

 

[EIM86]

I'm not a Bagley fan, I'm a realist. Bagley is a upgrade over harkless period. On top of that he's still on the team and we are still paying him. And here is the best part, if he plays good we can acually get a player you won't hate on. Right now, playing harkless who has no future over Bagley who we may get something in return makes zero cents for a team like kings who need to squeeze out all the talent we can to compete

 

[Tetsujin]

I'd love one piece of statistical evidence that Marvin Bagley contributes to winning basketball. Literally just one.

"DNP-CD"

 

[D13]

How are you not putting this on Luke? Not even a little? We played musical chairs with players at most crucial part of the game, set up terrible last minute plays, I mean what was that ending about? Kings players didn't play well, but there is def se blame that luke can and should take

Nobody was consistent this game. Has nothing to do with coaching, it was a crapshoot. Barnes is prob our best bet at hitting that shot, but this game was no guarantee with what he showed. Tyrese just hit a great 3. It was a gamble no matter what.

We are a mediocre team with some young guys who could have huge potential. Still, an absolute prayer to make the playoffs. You will not find anyone that will guarantee it for a reason. Not the pro pundits, certainly not me, and prob not you. Doesn't matter the coach.

 

[Woot!]

Who's Mr. Sensitive now? You're actually hillarious, can't believe Bagley stans still exist.

Literally no one thinks Harkless is more than a 8-9 man off the bench who should be like a 12-15 MPG defensive guy. The sad reality is he's forced into a big role BECAUSE of how inept Bagley is at playing basketball. That's the problem.

Yeah. Fair to say that the Kings braintrust would love to upgrade that position. Course, the possibilities for doing that extend beyond Bags to Metu and King. Mo's defense is solid, but he's weak on the boards and his current 28% from 3... ick. King and Metu are both trigger-happy, but would love to see one of them platooned w/Harkless as Luke is doing w/T and Len.

 

[The_Jamal]

I do think it's time to try Metu and/or King as the 9th man in the rotation. Get a little more size on the wing in certain looks and it'd be pretty hard for either of them to shoot/play as badly as TD has been for a majority of the season.

 

[SLAB]

I'm not a Bagley fan, I'm a realist. Bagley is a upgrade over harkless period. On top of that he's still on the team and we are still paying him. And here is the best part, if he plays good we can acually get a player you won't hate on. Right now, playing harkless who has no future over Bagley who we may get something in return makes zero cents for a team like kings who need to squeeze out all the talent we can to compete

except he isn’t, fit-wise. His anti-defense is oil and water combo next to Holmes. It’s a wide open funnel to the hoop with zero protection. It doesn’t work and it won’t ever work.

I’d love to see Metu get some run though.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

I'd love one piece of statistical evidence that Marvin Bagley contributes to winning basketball. Literally just one.

Winning basketball? No kings player on the court since 2004 has earned the (Winning Basketball Title). Name me a player on the Kings that's a winner? We haven't made playoffs since I was in high-school. That argument is garbage. He doesn't lose us the game anymore than anyone else. Are Winning percentage when he plays doesn't drop off.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'm not a Bagley fan, I'm a realist. Bagley is a upgrade over harkless period. On top of that he's still on the team and we are still paying him. And here is the best part, if he plays good we can acually get a player you won't hate on. Right now, playing harkless who has no future over Bagley who we may get something in return makes zero cents for a team like kings who need to squeeze out all the talent we can to compete

Talent for talent for sure. The issue is still that Barnes would have to go back to SF where he goes from stud to good.

They can find a decent wing somewhere. I brought it up earlier. Jeremy Lamb on the Pacers would fit right in. He comes from that UCONN system which Walton would love. The Pacers run a lot of the same motion screen sets for him off the ball that he tries to run for Harkless. Lamb also can run pick and roll so teams couldn't just sit their liability on him.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

except he isn’t, fit-wise. His anti-defense is oil and water combo next to Holmes. It’s a wide open funnel to the hoop with zero protection. It doesn’t work and it won’t ever work.

I’d love to see Metu get some run though.

Then cut him right? Cut him and keep it moving. Except we are not doing that, he's one of the top paid players on the team. So play him, or trade him.

Forget about Bagley put Metu in. The point I'm saying is Harkless SUCKS!

 

[Tetsujin]

Talent for talent for sure. The issue is still that Barnes would have to go back to SF where he goes from stud to good.

They can find a decent wing somewhere. I brought it up earlier. Jeremy Lamb on the Pacers would fit right in. He comes from that UCONN system which Walton would love. The Pacers run a lot of the same motion screen sets for him off the ball that he tries to run for Harkless. Lamb also can run pick and roll so teams couldn't just sit their liability on him.

Or he could just try playing King, who also does all of the above.

 

[The_Jamal]

Winning basketball? No kings player on the court since 2004 has earned the (Winning Basketball Title). Name me a player on the Kings that's a winner? We haven't made playoffs since I was in high-school. That argument is garbage. He doesn't lose us the game anymore than anyone else. Are Winning percentage when he plays doesn't drop off.

Ok good. My point exactly. You can't.

LOL

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Talent for talent for sure. The issue is still that Barnes would have to go back to SF where he goes from stud to good.

They can find a decent wing somewhere. I brought it up earlier. Jeremy Lamb on the Pacers would fit right in. He comes from that UCONN system which Walton would love. The Pacers run a lot of the same motion screen sets for him off the ball that he tries to run for Harkless. Lamb also can run pick and roll so teams couldn't just sit their liability on him.

I think Barnes will be Barnes no mater if it's at pf or sf. And having a good sf and average pf may be better option than a bad sf and above average pf. Js

 

[SLAB]

Then cut him right? Cut him and keep it moving. Except we are not doing that, he's one of the top paid players on the team. So play him, or trade him.

Forget about Bagley put Metu in. The point I'm saying is Harkless SUCKS!

Why would you cut a guy who’s value is an ending contract in only a few short months?

 

[SacTownKid]

"DNP-CD"

Truth though, the time has clearly come and gone, but if they had ever actually tried him at center in pick and roll with Fox, that was the one shot of a having a true 1-2 star combo. Bagley IS capable of dominating in iso once going. That can't be said for anyone outside of Fox. Buddy can get his shot off, but not a true dominator by any stretch.

 

[SacTownKid]

Or he could just try playing King, who also does all of the above.

Nah, they couldn't do that to Bobby. haha.

 

[NewArena]

I never thought we’d win this one. I hate early games and didn’t even bother watching, honestly. On to tomorrow!

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Ok good. My point exactly. You can't.

LOL

My point is that argument makes no sense. Winning basketball takes a team effort and a built culture. He's not pouting on the sidelines and his attitude is positive (right now) skip Bagley play someone else other than Harkless period

 

[The_Jamal]

Truth though, the time has clearly come and gone, but if they had ever actually tried him at center in pick and roll with Fox, that was the one shot of a having a true 1-2 star combo. Bagley IS capable of dominating in iso once going. That can't be said for anyone outside of Fox. Buddy can get his shot off, but not a true dominator by any stretch.

I actually agree that Bagley at the C role offensively could have been fine. He's had several dominant performances throughout his career in that slot. The issue is he's so far gone on defense that him at the 5 would preclude us from ever having an even average defense.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Bad loss to a crap team minus one of their best players (if not their best). Can’t have these types of performances, especially at home.

Game turned on that bogus bounce on LeVert’s forced shot. Mitchell forced him into a junk shot that shouldn’t have been rewarded.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think Barnes will be Barnes no mater if it's at pf or sf. And having a good sf and average pf may be better option than a bad sf and above average pf. Js

I guess it depends on who he's next to but the 5 man stats tell the story. This team is best with him at PF. And this season he is clearly best at PF.

 

[NewArena]

Sounds like we played tough though. It happens! Jazz got spanked a bit by the Orlando magic of all teams, tonight. That’s the NBA for ya

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Why would you cut a guy who’s value is an ending contract in only a few short months?

His value is only that his contract is ending? You know we had trade offers over the offseason for this guy right?

 

[The_Jamal]

My point is that argument makes no sense. Winning basketball takes a team effort and a built culture. He's not pouting on the sidelines and his attitude is positive (right now) skip Bagley play someone else other than Harkless period

Sure, but this starts by actually playing good players on the court. You can have the most ra-ra cheerleaders and supportive teammates in the world; it doesn't make a difference if you can't play.

 

[SacTownKid]

I actually agree that Bagley at the C role offensively could have been fine. He's had several dominant performances throughout his career in that slot. The issue is he's so far gone on defense that him at the 5 would preclude us from ever having an even average defense.

Here's my thing, we still never got to see him in a switch or pressure type of defense that's based more on athletic ability than size or smarts. Either way, even if you sucked on defense to the point that no amount of dominant offense kept you competitive he was likely producing and henceforth, would have had trade value. Oh well too late now anyway. And there's the health issues but trade value is the story at the end of the day. Him potentially having some rather than NONE.

 

[SLAB]

His value is only that his contract is ending? You know we had trade offers over the offseason for this guy right?

Name each of them.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

This isn't even a Harkless vs Bagley argument. It's a Harkless vs anyone argument. Anyone can do what he's doing right now and every other option on the team is younger with much more upside. Play someone else, at least don't start the man

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Name each of them.

You want me to name his offers? Lol am I Bagley's agent? His actual agent said this and kings didn't deny it. So I'll take the experts on this one buddy.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

There is a Turkish player who has zero defense and is still managing to have a better career than harkless. Bagleys issue is not that he can't play basketball, it's his health and the coaches inability to use him correctly. That's it. Well and his supporting cast

 

[Section 101]

Fox shouldn't be the one shooting the crucial shots when he's struggling. It's just dumb coaching. I like the sub of Hield for offense and Mitchell for defense though. But Fox should not be shooting the ball, period when he's not been making them. This loss is on Fox imo.

Fox wasn't missing the open 3's all game. Both Buddy and Barnes had some good open looks. The team is hunting 3's way too much when buddy is on the floor. Take the ball to the basket, get in the paint.