[Game] Kings @ Thunder - Saturday, Feb. 23 - 5PT/8ET
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For some reason, there has to be a scapegoat for some to blame a loss on - even when the Kings don't lose.
Showtime
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"Fine" and "potential max deal/extension" are two entirely different things. He's performing "fine" for a wing that we needed. If he was anywhere near the 39% from deep and iso threat in the past, we might have a debate. But so far, I fear the Kings might make a very bad decision with him as a key role in the future plans if he plays out the rest of the season without significant improvement.
Showtime
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True, but bricking wide open 3's isn't really a "part of the offense" problem. You knock down open shots or you don't.
I know you're right about Barnes. I hope you're right about Burks. I just haven't seen much of anything to be impressed with thus far. I don't know how to make this sound nice, but he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I was shaking my head when Fox, the 21 year old, and Bagley, the 19 year old ran a two man game with about a minute left in the game. Bagley made the 14 foot jumper off the Fox assist. That's just a WOW moment when you have two guys of that age under pressure against an elite team in the stretch doing that kind of thing. These guys are incredibly special players. The vets aren't leading the show anymore. The reins are in the hands of the talented youngins. The Kings are going to live or die with Fox and Bagley down the stretch.
Kings_of_California
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Of course, there always has to be a narrative of some sort on a sports message board. I'm not against Barnes by any stretch. And now with Willie not a scapegoat option anymore, someone has to take the fall obviously.
So everyone get your pitchforks sharpened for Burks.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's really not as simple as you think. Players have to have an anticipation of when they will get the ball and where they will get the ball and what exactly they should be doing with it once they get it. Both Burks and Barnes just aren't there yet. It will be pretty obvious when they get into rhythm.
I think he's inadequate for our current needs. What do you see in him that I'm not seeing?
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Right. I don’t think he’s a detriment, as he can just take up space and not be worse than Shump/Jackson on the court. But I’m annoyed that I got my hopes up that he was a talented wing that could have a renaissance here and contribute to the core going forward. I haven’t seen that, and it’s not just the inefficiency.
And George played 50 minutes last night so we will see what exactly his defense brings in the future
TaxMan
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Who said anything about a max. He got a huge contract when the salary cap boomed and he still had star potential. He won’t be getting anywhere near the max next contract.
Kings_of_California
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Nothing, I was just jokingly saying if we're seeking another option for bashing, Burks could be our guy.
He's provided little to nothing since he's arrived. I didn't like the Shump trade to start and my stance on that hasn't changed to this point. I'm not set on any of this though, my mind can be changed.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
I’m seeing a guy who hasn’t found out at all how to play and blend in with his new teammates. If he was always *this* player before coming to Sacramento, he wouldn’t have been in the league as long as he has.
(That said, still wish we would have kept Shump)
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
to be fair to PG, he did play 50 minutes the night before....fatigue had to play a part here no doubt
Sactown ExPat
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They gave us a make-up call the next time down. Grant in no way impeded Bagley. Marvin tripped over his own feet. I’m fine as long the refs keep things balanced, which they did in the end. This was an old-fashioned, “keep it close and entertaining” effort from the refs. Stern would have been proud.
TaxMan
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Given the locker room presence, I’m still not totally sure the point of the shump trade. Yes, Barnes was coming in to take the SF spot, but Shump was an undersized SF anyhow who could have slid into the Burks/Brewer role regardless.
As someone who is probably guilty of that, this made me chuckle.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Last game Paul george played the second night of a back to back he had 36pts 8 reb 4 ast and 5 steals. Barnes deserves some credit
SLAB
Hall of Famer
And we’re playing Barnes at the 4, so he could have kept the starting role. Lol
Sactown ExPat
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Some very charismatic people can be outstanding team members when things are going their way, and then not so great when the paradigm shifts. Given Shump’s influence, probably not worth the risk that a super charismatic vet looking for his last good contract chaffs under a reduced role.
BTW, bot intended to the quote above but just in general, anyone doubting Barnes’ contributions does not understand basketball, and particularly defense.
Showtime
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Oh I've been nothing but impressed by his defense and increase in rebounding. His versatility on defense makes up for any on-ball advantage Shump may have. I'm just concerned that if he doesn't get back into form with this team offensively that the Kings will still try to give him a big contract. Sometimes good players just don't mesh well, and I think if the Kings are working on a "whole > sum of parts" take with this team, then we need to see if Harrison can fit in over the course of the rest of the season and perhaps playoffs before throwing big money at him.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Was this the first game you watched? Refs must hate Fox or something the dude should be shooting way more free throws. It’s been a season long issue.
TaxMan
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I think in the end he will fit in just fine. Much rather see him getting shots in the flow of the game (albeit missing) than forcing and trying to be top dog. He’s not an alpha and that’s absolutely what we want. If we can get good d and a solid 13 points on efficient shooting he is perfect. Outside of the shooting he’s basically there. The shot will come around.
TaxMan
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This one however was particularly bad. Pretty much every time he drove he was fouled.
sactowndog
All-Star
Barnes is a good defensive player. He is just not a stretch four until he finds his shooting stroke. Let him play D on the many good 3’s we are going to face and play Bagley, Beli or Giles at the 4. You can’t play a guy on a couple month shooting slump at a spot you want shooting.
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