[Grades] Kings @ Thunder (#3) 10/21/2018

Biggest surprise of the first three games:


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I know it's only three games but are the Kings kinda... good?

There are obvious problem areas with the team: defense and, Shump and JJ's breakout games not withstanding, the small forward position. But I have faith our defense will improve as all of our various young dudes get more comfortable playing basketball and we play teams that aren't the Pelicans and the team's been shifting towards three guard lineups as our base set up for a couple of seasons anyways.

Meanwhile, Fox looks to have taken a huge leap in his development, Buddy continues to be a deadly efficient scorer, Yogi and Bjeli make Vlade look like a genius for signing them for cheap in the offseason, Willie improves his earning potential, and Bagley looks like he's going to be an absolute monster for the next decade. The schedule makers did us absolutely no favors to start the season but it looks like the team has responded in kind.

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GRADES

Iman Shumpert (A) --30 min, 26 pts (9-13 fg, 4-7 3p, 4-5 ft), 3 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk
Well this certainly was a surprise. Often seen as a cap space filler to make the George Hill trade work and nothing else, Shumpert has not only found a spot in the Kings' rotation in this young season but has suddenly found himself as our starting small forward (for this game at least). Having missed almost an entire season due to injury, it's hard to tell how much of Shump's struggles in his first two games with the team was just rust and how much was just him being a chucker. For tonight at least, Iman kept the worst of his tendencies in check. We all know that Shumpert is one of the better defenders in the league but it's when his offensive output matches his defensive intensity that he becomes a true asset for the young Kings. Tonight, Shump was the dictionary definition of 3-and-D role-player guy, hitting from the perimeter, being a disruptor on defense, and being a vocal presence on a team full of young dudes and a Serbian guy. I'm obviously not expecting this level of game from the dude every night but if Shumpert can even provide half of what he did tonight at the SF position, it would certainly help us plug that considerable hole in our roster.

Nemanja Bjelica (B) --30 mins, 12 pts (5-6 fg, 2-2 3p), 5 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 1 blk
I know people were upset when Vlade failed to bring in any big fish during the offseason but Nemanja Bjelica has made more of an impact to the team than almost any big name signing to the team could have. Forced into a pure floor spacer role in Minnesota, the thirty year old Serbian forward has show more skill and talent in three games with the Kings than in the entirety of his two seasons under Tom Thibodeau's iron fist. While you'd never accuse Bjeli of being the most athletic player around, he uses his big body and high basketball IQ to see seams on the floor well and always seems to have a knack at making the right play at the right time. Against the Thunder, he did a little bit of everything, passing the ball to the tune of four assists, breaking up plays on defense (he's not amazing on that end but is capable of reading plays and causing turnovers). Now through three games, I haven't seem much to indicate that he can play small forward in our new high octane run'n'gun offense but, as a point forward at least, he's been solid gold money.

Willie Cauley-Stein (C) --22 min, 13 pts (6-11 fg, 1-2 ft), 7 rb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk
This was the first appearance of the old Willie we've seen through this whole young season. In the first half, Willie was just not good at all: getting beat up by Steven Adams, failing to make hustle plays, being a net negative on offense. Really, it was more of the same in the third quarter. Then, presumably sometime during the timeout break between the third and fourth quarters, a hero reminded Willie that his contract expires next summer and WC$ entered the building. While not entirely eliminating Adams' presence, Willie had himself a nice final stint in the game, pulling in six rebounds and have a series of nice offensive plays when the Thunder inexplicably left him open under the hoop to double Justin Jackson of all people. All in all, I liked how Willie bounced back after a slow start and if he keeps playing like he has to start the season he's going to get paid this summer.

Buddy Hield (B-) --23 min, 17 pts (), 5 rb, 2 ast
It's been a bit of an enigma of a start to the season for Buddy Hield. While he seems to have finally shaken off "looks like bad Marcus Thornton if he starts" disease, the Bahamian Buzzsaw has yet to really have an explosive quarter or series of plays, which maybe makes the fact he's averaging 17 points per game to start the year more encouraging. Against the Thunder, Buddy got in quick foul trouble and spent a lot of the first half watching the action from the bench. Buddy has proven to at least be a willing rebounder for his size and his strength (not his speed) and lethal stroke makes him a tough cover for the other team, which makes the fact he can score 17 points on a relative off night more than a good sign for the Kings franchise going forward. If he cuts down on dumb plays, even better.

De'Aaron Fox (A-) --41 min, 22 pt, 4 rb, 10 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk
After the anonymous scout on Sports Illustrated came out and talked about how his expectations regarding De'Aaron had dropped, I felt it was only natural that De'Aaron would respond by starting the season looking like a bigger haired version of John Wall. Between the poise, demonic speed, and newfound ability to simply just power his way into the paint, Fox has looked like an absolute star to start the year. De'Aaron struggled a bit in the first quarter against the Thunder competing against the sheer athletic force of will that is Russell Westbrook. But as the game wore on and Dave Joerger appeared to forget that he had other point guards on his roster, Swipa the Fox looked better and better, able to score when he needed to but mainly serving as the key cog that made our offense move. While it hasn't exactly translated more makes at this point, his outside shot looks better which only bodes well for his future.

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Harry Giles III (C) --16 mins, 8 pts, 6 rbs, 2 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks


Marvin Bagley III (B-) --23 min, 13 pt, 7 rbs, 0 ast, 1 stl,


Yogi Ferrell (C) --19 min, 9 pt, 4 rb, 0 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk


Justin Jackson (B) --26 min, 11 pt (4-6 fg, 1-2 3p, 2-2 ft), 5 rb, 3 ast


Skal Labissiere (inc.) --2 min,
Saw a token several minutes in the first half, struggled to do anything and was then benched for the rest of the night in favor of out many other big men.

Ben McLemore (inc.) --2 min
Had a short stint. Was Ben.
 
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Shump, WCS, Giles, and Jackson all deserve some credit for pleasant surprises tonight. A solid 3nD perimeter vet is a serious need with this roster and Shump was that and more tonight. WCS was well on his way to having his scheduled off night but came back strong to help seal the deal. Giles and Jackson were both helpful tonight and contributed in multiple ways. Neither was perfect by any stretch but I thought they were both positive contributors. I'm hoping that both of them got a bit of confidence tonight that will help moving forward.
 
I’d say Shump, but not a surprise for me. As I said preseason in the lineup thread he looked money in his offseason workouts and I thought he was possibly coming for a career rejuvenation.

Just .80 of that tonight is a player on both ends that hopefully we can re up
 
Shumpert is also in a contract year and before he played with Carmelo and LeBron respectively which marginalized what he was allowed to do. He had the makings of an excellent all around player. We saw it tonight. Iman has really good ball handling ability, can make plays and is a good wing defender. Can score the rock some. I had thought the whole way if he was fully recovered from his injury he’d be a dark horse for the Kings.


I want him to continue starting at the 3. It’s the best way to maximize his output, he is the best defensive player on the team, and you never know if he has a John Salmons offensive breakout he builds trade value as a rental...or maybe he wins the fans over as a piece going forward. He only just turned 28
 
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Fox played with good pace in this and got to his spots at will. He also developed a patent floater in the lane ala Tony Parker, that alone with his three point shooting will turn him into an all-star player. Giles looked much better too, Bagley is a quick learner, I wanted to see him close the game out but that too will come.
 
Fox played with good pace in this and got to his spots at will. He also developed a patent floater in the lane ala Tony Parker, that alone with his three point shooting will turn him into an all-star player. Giles looked much better too, Bagley is a quick learner, I wanted to see him close the game out but that too will come.
Tony Parker is exactly who I thought of while watching him tonight. I think he's a bit more explosive than Tony but has that same start/stop speed to get in the lane and get space.
 
The biggest surprise to me is the improvement of D. Fox. Not that I didn't think he could be this good; I just didn't expect it to be this sudden. He's made huge strides in the way he uses his skills to get himself and others open looks. When that 3 pointer comes along we could have a monster on our hands.

Same.

Outside of a few flashes, Fox was literally one of the worst players in the league last season. That rookie year was abysmal.

I figured he'd turn it around eventually, like in a few seasons, but through 3 games (admittedly small sample size) he's playing like an allstar. It's nuts!

Really fun game to watch. Vlade is onto something here...
 
Same.

Outside of a few flashes, Fox was literally one of the worst players in the league last season. That rookie year was abysmal.

I figured he'd turn it around eventually, like in a few seasons, but through 3 games (admittedly small sample size) he's playing like an allstar. It's nuts!

Really fun game to watch. Vlade is onto something here...

Fox had 10 assists last year versus OKC.

Let’s hope this year the good passing continues, he can continue to get in the lane and collapse defenses, and he still finds open 3 point shooters.
 
I've griped about Joerger more than anyone but I have to hand it to him so far in these 3 games. Way less of the high post stuff and way more pick and rolls that are getting these guys open.

Congrats to Shumpert. MVP of the night. Caught fire from the field and make plays on defense. Shout out to Beli for getting down the court and preventing fast break points as well.

Anyone know what Hield did to get himself benched in the 2nd quarter and most of the 4th? I'm guessing bad defense but I wasn't playing close enough attention. Get this man more 3 point shots. He is money from out there. Also that take and finish to the rim after the half was probably the most athletic thing I've seen him do in a Kings jersey. Didn't think he had that in him.

Giles with his best game so far this season. He's going to be kind of like Cousins lite this year when you look at the box score. He's going to fill it up but he's going to fill up the bad columns as well as the good ones. That's ok because it should be easier to dial the bad stuff back as time goes on.

They weren't going in for Bagley but he fought hard out there. Defense was horrid in his early minutes and then he settled in a bit.

Fox took about a quarter to get going and then he was really good. If you guys notice, he's not stopping and popping from the short elbow as much anymore. Many of his shots are a few steps closer to the basket which has a large hand in his efficiency going way up from inside the arc.

WCS has been consistently good so far.....yeah I used the C word.
 
Nobody believed the Kings would actually play high pace and they're finally doing it.

The results are not surprising, but I think the status of the team is more clear: Get some defensive minded wings. Improve the defense some. Find your identity as a blitz team and then round out from there.

This is opposed to the confused identity of years past.
 
We need to give Coach Joeger some credit and love here.

He has changed his philosophy 180 degrees and you can see the team responding. Even in the loss to the Pelicans, the Kings hung tough for 3 quarters.

Joeger went from rigid high post offense to a free flowing offense and his new philosophy highlights his players strengths, instead of exposing their weaknesses (like last year). These young Kings are responding and battling every night.

Like Vlade said, "This is a Super Team, just young!". :)
 
Bagley should've had 20 tonight. Was literally getting hit in the post on almost every play.

Teams watch tape. They are going to collapse on Marvin as long as he isn’t a threat to kick it out. Once he learns to recognize the help coming and kicks it out to our shooters watch out!! This team will be really good.
 
Same.

Outside of a few flashes, Fox was literally one of the worst players in the league last season. That rookie year was abysmal.

I figured he'd turn it around eventually, like in a few seasons, but through 3 games (admittedly small sample size) he's playing like an allstar. It's nuts!

Really fun game to watch. Vlade is onto something here...
Worst player in the league last year? That’s dumb. I can think of 5 players who were worse on his own team last year. Gross exaggerations are frustrating.
Fox played a strong second half last year.
His improvement so far this year is unmistakable.
He has a very high ceiling.
 
Worst player in the league last year? That’s dumb. I can think of 5 players who were worse on his own team last year. Gross exaggerations are frustrating.
Fox played a strong second half last year.
His improvement so far this year is unmistakable.
He has a very high ceiling.

I think it was PER or RPM, one of those advanced stats, that had Fox as bottom of the league at one point. He improved, but he was bottom 5-10 percent for most of his rookie year. For once I'm not being hyperbolic, you can google it if you really want to, because I'm too lazy.

Also, the whole point I was making is that Fox has made enormous strides in his game, which seems to be the point you're making! So why are we arguing?! :p

His rookie season is the past either way. Kid is looking like a MIP candidate through these first 3 games. I'm pretty hyped on him.
 
I think it was PER or RPM, one of those advanced stats, that had Fox as bottom of the league at one point. He improved, but he was bottom 5-10 percent for most of his rookie year. For once I'm not being hyperbolic, you can google it if you really want to, because I'm too lazy.

Also, the whole point I was making is that Fox has made enormous strides in his game, which seems to be the point you're making! So why are we arguing?! :p

His rookie season is the past either way. Kid is looking like a MIP candidate through these first 3 games. I'm pretty hyped on him.

It’s one of those times where the eye ball test and the advanced stats didn’t match IMO. He wasn’t good but wasn’t one of the worst in the league either.
 
This might sound crazy but if Bogie was healthy we could be 3-0 and easily 2-1

Yogi Ferrell might be the first player in NBA history to play 15mins a game on a team that gives up 130ppg to make a All NBA defensive team the guy is amazing on man to man.

I love Bjelica what's crazy is he's probably the best PF we have had since I don't even know the high IQ/timely passes deflections he was the glue guy

Shumpert was amazing as was Fox.

I was really worried during preseason but man the Kings have been exciting to watch and we finally have high IQ players on the squad also Giles did some impressive stuff but the guys on the team have to know HE'S NOT a lob threat.
 
This might sound crazy but if Bogie was healthy we could be 3-0 and easily 2-1

Yogi Ferrell might be the first player in NBA history to play 15mins a game on a team that gives up 130ppg to make a All NBA defensive team the guy is amazing on man to man.

I love Bjelica what's crazy is he's probably the best PF we have had since I don't even know the high IQ/timely passes deflections he was the glue guy

Shumpert was amazing as was Fox.

I was really worried during preseason but man the Kings have been exciting to watch and we finally have high IQ players on the squad also Giles did some impressive stuff but the guys on the team have to know HE'S NOT a lob threat.
CWeb? :)
 
I think it was PER or RPM, one of those advanced stats, that had Fox as bottom of the league at one point. He improved, but he was bottom 5-10 percent for most of his rookie year. For once I'm not being hyperbolic, you can google it if you really want to, because I'm too lazy.

Also, the whole point I was making is that Fox has made enormous strides in his game, which seems to be the point you're making! So why are we arguing?! :p

His rookie season is the past either way. Kid is looking like a MIP candidate through these first 3 games. I'm pretty hyped on him.

He was near the bottom in RPM and VORP. People talk about the eye test but other than a small handful of good games and some good clutch shots, I thought he looked terrible. Inefficient and passive for like 3/4ths the time he was out there.

This year he looks like a new man. After the first quarter of the Thunder game I was thinking to myself that the Fox we just saw for that quarter was the Fox from last year. He didn't do much of anything or make much happen for his teammates. In the 2nd quarter he seemed to step up a bit and then in the second half he was the Fox we've seen make marked improvements this year. Last year he would have wound up 4-12 with 10 points and 4 assists but this year he's being more aggressive and getting himself much closer to the rim where he can finish at a higher percentage as well as get to the line more often.