Kings talking Tyreke trade???

[bloom]

Wow, some people here are so quick to get rid of Tyreke. So glad that some of you aren’t our gm.

The reason Tyreke hasn’t been able to improve on the slashing and passing is because for his first two years his coach didn’t have rules for him, and last year he was injured most of the time. How do you expect him to improve on the court when the coach doesn’t tell him what he needs to do? Paul didn’t even have a offense for our players to run, if I’m not mistaken I think that in itself is a huge problem.

Now, I’m not happy how we’re using Tyreke at the SF position. The guy needs the ball in his hands and I think he’s finally getting some coaching/teaching that he needed in his first 2 years. And I hope I’m not the only one but I see the improvement.

Tyreke needs to use the summer and make sure he works with a proven shooting coach. It would be nice if he came back next year with a midrange game – which I think he can do.

Also, the Maloofs need to relax and stop interfering with our players and how they’re used. I love I.T’s game but we need him off the bench. There is no reason to not use him to his strength.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Indeed, it is such a mystery. One does wonder how Kareem and a young Magic ever got along. Or how Shaq and a young Kobe could coexist. Or Duncan/Admiral could win titles with the likes of Avery Johnson and a young Tony Parker at the PG. Friggin miracles all. How oh how did those great Knicks teams survive with Ewing and the guards who couldn't shoot straight. How did Mark Jackson ever work with great bigs at all? Just mysteries. Profound ones even. Probably just luck. Could never be repeated obviously.

No real mystery here. The players you are listing (minus Mark Jackson, Johnson and Parker, but who were all playing with HOF big men) are 1st ballot HOF'ers. We have no one on this team who is right now, and may never be. To try and draw any sort of comparison between Tyreke, Cousins or whoever and the above mentioned players is absurd. These players won and won big immediately after coming into the league.

 

[Larry David]

Wow, some people here are so quick to get rid of Tyreke. So glad that some of you aren’t our gm.

The reason Tyreke hasn’t been able to improve on the slashing and passing is because for his first two years his coach didn’t have rules for him, and last year he was injured most of the time. How do you expect him to improve on the court when the coach doesn’t tell him what he needs to do?

Wow, just throw the facts out the window to make your case. He's limited because he can't shoot and defenders play off him and go under every screen. Clearly, Westphal was bad at player development, but I'm certain that either at Kentucky or his first two years in the league, somebody might have pointed out why his jumper is broken and how to fix it at least once.

He wasn't injured "most of" those two years. He had plantar for one of the two seasons. Even during that season, he could still work on the form of his jumper.

It's not just that he's not a good shooter yet, because that often comes along in years 4-5. 2 1/2 years into the league, he's not very far down the road he needs to start on. He's still got broken shot. He needs to start using proper form, and then refine it. Whether he can't fix it, is not working hard enough, not receptive, or whatever isn't the point ... three years in, he's a SG that can't shoot. That's a problem. Regardless of the why.

If the Kings trade him now and he becomes a good enough shooter be be a top shooting guard, they made a mistake.

If the Kings turn down trades for equal or better value and he doesn't become a good enough shooter to be a top shooting guard, Evans' value will drop a ton and the Kings made a mistake.

That's the point.

 

[Spike]

If the Kings trade him now and he becomes a good enough shooter be be a top shooting guard, they made a mistake.

If the Kings turn down trades for equal or better value and he doesn't become a good enough shooter to be a top shooting guard, Evans' value will drop a ton and the Kings made a mistake.

That's the point.

Therein lies the rub. If you're willing to trade him now, you're willing to believe that Tyreke won't learn to stop fading away on his shot (which is pretty much all it looks like to me.) That being said, how do you find fair compensation for his talents? If you think he has Wade-esque talents, you're not going to shuffle him away for prospects. If you feel he's a wasted pick, then you'll settle for a mediocre return.

This is a pivotal point for the franchise. You have two top 5 talents. You had to lin your way to those talents. I don't want to go through that process again. We absolutely can build around Evans and Cousins. We just need the intestinal fortitude to see it through.

 

[Larry David]

Cousins is a keeper. It's unclear whether Evans is closer to Wade or Stackhouse. At this point, I think it's a huge stretch to say Evans is a "top 5 talent" or compare him to Wade.

If Evans is a top 5 guy, at some point really soon he needs to play winning basketball and lift his team about a winning percentage of .333. Otherwise, he's the latest in a long line of NBA players that can get you 20 points per game and wins per season.

I agree you don't trade him for prospects. You trade him by finding an All-Star with low value - like a Rondo - or throwing him into a next package for a star that must be traded for less than full value. That's the process. I think the Kings are ready to move him for the right price, but nobody has made that offer yet. But if you wait too long, Evans "upside" starts to fade and he becomes closer to a finished product.

 

[IfAt1st]

Yeah, Larry David, Spike, and Kingsters are right.

Can we please stop the comparing of Tyreke to (being or playing with) HoF once-in-a-generation players, please?

As Edna Mode says, "It distracts from the NOW."

Tyreke is Tyreke. He should be judged by what he puts on the floor, and how HIS progression and skills have been demonstrated after 2 1/2 seasons (and 3 offseasons).

No pie-in-the-sky projections, just cold hard realistic analysis of his game.
Not overly optimistic, not overly pessimistic.

 

[sdballer]

Yeah, Kingster's right.

Can we please stop the comparing of Tyreke to HoF once-in-a-generation players, please?

As Edna Mode says, "It distracts from the NOW."

Tyreke is Tyreke. He should be judged by what he puts on the floor, and how HIS progression and skills have been demonstrated after 2 1/2 seasons (and 3 offseasons).

No pie-in-the-sky projections, just cold hard realistic analysis of his game.
Not overly optimistic, not overly pessimistic.

HOF players like Tony Parker, Mark Jackson and Avery Johnson? Do you even follow the nba?

 

[Padrino]

Wow, some people here are so quick to get rid of Tyreke. So glad that some of you aren’t our gm.

The reason Tyreke hasn’t been able to improve on the slashing and passing is because for his first two years his coach didn’t have rules for him, and last year he was injured most of the time. How do you expect him to improve on the court when the coach doesn’t tell him what he needs to do? Paul didn’t even have a offense for our players to run, if I’m not mistaken I think that in itself is a huge problem.

Now, I’m not happy how we’re using Tyreke at the SF position. The guy needs the ball in his hands and I think he’s finally getting some coaching/teaching that he needed in his first 2 years. And I hope I’m not the only one but I see the improvement.

Tyreke needs to use the summer and make sure he works with a proven shooting coach. It would be nice if he came back next year with a midrange game – which I think he can do.

Also, the Maloofs need to relax and stop interfering with our players and how they’re used. I love I.T’s game but we need him off the bench. There is no reason to not use him to his strength.

i am also dismayed by this ramped-up anti-reke talk. its as if this particular contingent of fans has no desire to see the kings win in the foreseeable future. whether they're aware of it or not, they're advocating for the kings to take backward steps. trade this player or that player to get draft picks. make isaiah thomas the permanent starter. its all just the spinning of wheels with nowhere to go but the lottery every single year...

tyreke evans may not have improved to the degree that we would like to have seen thus far, but he's still a serious offensive threat on any given night, the kings' most consistent wing defender, and their best passer. you don't trade a player as deadly as tyreke to get more passing or better court vision. you bring in additional pieces to supplement 'reke's and demarcus cousins' talents. the kings' front office has not done that so far. in fact, its becoming more and more clear that they traded away the most consistent backcourt mate tyreke has had so far in his career. beno udrih was certainly not the long term answer at PG, but he helped to keep a young team steady. sometimes that's more valuable than talent level...

now, damn near everybody here is in agreement on demarcus cousins. his talent is obvious. he's already got the potential of a once-in-a-decade big man. but how do you think demarcus is gonna feel if the kings do as so many of you suggest? cousins has said all the right things since westphal was fired. he remains committed to sacramento. if the winning doesn't start to come, however, i don't know how attractive the kings are gonna look come free agency, the future of a new arena notwithstanding. and how do you win in the nba? with some measure of consistency. you can not keep retooling your roster every season and expect to win...

i mean, what if oklahoma city had decided not to commit to their future? they were 20-62 in their first season with kevin durant, and 23-59 in their second season with durant and russell westbrook. these things take time. and in oklahoma city's case, it didn't take a whole lot of time for them to turn it around. but once a young team turns a franchise around, watch out. winning begets more winning. the kings may not have OKC's trajectory (because tyreke is obviously no durant), but you simply DO NOT trade away evans unless you're netting an all star in return, and i just don't see that happening. sorry, folks, but, ultimately, you're talking idiocy. its a potentially franchise-crippling prospect. if you trade evans for lesser players and draft picks, i guarantee that the kings continue in their losing ways, and i guarantee that demarcus cousins takes a walk in free agency...

in short, you've just set yourself back another decade, when you had the opportunity to set yourself up for winning in that same decade. you sell your young talents on a plan. the kings rolled the dice on tyreke evans and demarcus cousins. now its time for the front office to start taking their jobs seriously and surround those two players with complementary, role playing, and, in some cases, veteran talent that can help them improve. a starting SF who can defend, move the ball, and shoot a decent percentage from outside would be a fantastic start. and such a player is not some kinda rarity in the nba. believe it or not, scrappy sparkplugs like isaiah thomas aren't rarities, either. isaiah thomas is nowhere near approaching the talent level of bobby jackson, for example, and jackson was better equipped for the nba by size, but he was still a sixth man. he was certainly an important piece on a winning team, but again, players like that are not rarities in the nba. there are dozens of them doing an excellent job of providing support for their teams off the bench...

however, players with the talent, upside, and physical builds of cousins AND evans are, in fact, rarities, whether you naysayers want to believe it or not. a front office doesn't just flippantly trade those away because they're not developing at light speed, especially when that lack of development is because of the front office's shortcomings. tyreke evans has not been put in any kind of enviable position to succeed as a player of any position so far in the nba. he's been jerked around by two different coaches now, he's been given conflicting instruction on how to play the game, he's been surrounded by players who don't complement his skill sets (apart from cousins), he's been beaten down by a local newspaper and a fanbase that doesn't believe in him, and he STILL manages to showcase all star level talent on a near-nightly basis. of course, he has to take the initiative to get better, and i think he will. he's very much a work in progress, but at 22 years old and 21 years old, respectively, i take my chances on a bull like evans and a freight train like cousins. i don't break that up for anything but an established all star that's either at superstar level talent or near-superstar level talent...

in my estimation, cousins AND evans remain the two untouchable pieces of this kings team. saddle them with complementary talent, and i STILL maintain that they will tear this league apart. i don't care how petrie and co. get it done. just ****ing get it done. the arena deal has passed. they'll be breaking ground in the near future. i wanna see this team competing in the playoffs by the time those doors have opened. anything else is just the spinning of wheels...

 

[Hoovtrain]

HOF players like Tony Parker, Mark Jackson and Avery Johnson? Do you even follow the nba?

I think he was talking about the Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Robinson, Ewing references. No, the above players are not HOF material, but they did play with some of the great HOF big men in NBA history.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Cousins is a keeper. It's unclear whether Evans is closer to Wade or Stackhouse. At this point, I think it's a huge stretch to say Evans is a "top 5 talent" or compare him to Wade.

If Evans is a top 5 guy, at some point really soon he needs to play winning basketball and lift his team about a winning percentage of .333. Otherwise, he's the latest in a long line of NBA players that can get you 20 points per game and wins per season. I agree you don't trade him for prospects. You trade him by finding an All-Star with low value - like a Rondo - or throwing him into a next package for a star that must be traded for less than full value. That's the process. I think the Kings are ready to move him for the right price, but nobody has made that offer yet. But if you wait too long, Evans "upside" starts to fade and he becomes closer to a finished product.

I completely agree with this. At some point this has to translate into wins. Now sure a player like Durant didn't have great success in terms of W's when he first came into the league, and we all know that eventually changed. And that is why i would not want to give up on Evans. Whether or not he ever develops into the player we all thought/think he would is another question, but I still think he will be a very good player who could be a great 2nd fiddle to Cousins.

 

[Spike]

Yeah, Larry David, Spike, and Kingsters are right.

Can we please stop the comparing of Tyreke to HoF once-in-a-generation players, please?

As Edna Mode says, "It distracts from the NOW."

Tyreke is Tyreke. He should be judged by what he puts on the floor, and how HIS progression and skills have been demonstrated after 2 1/2 seasons (and 3 offseasons).

No pie-in-the-sky projections, just cold hard realistic analysis of his game.
Not overly optimistic, not overly pessimistic.

Huh?

 

[LilMissDiva]

http://aroyalpain.com/2012/03/02/have-the-sacramento-kings-put-tyreke-evans-on-the-trading-block/
IMO it's not really fair to give up on the guy because of BBall IQ issues when his coaches have been Paul Westphail and Keith Stupid.

Ha!! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[iowamcnabb]

How many 2 way guards are better players than Tyreke? More specifically, how many of those players are second fiddles on their respective squads. He is a one trick pony as a scorer but even if he never developes a jumper or floater his overall game still makes him one of the better guards in the league.

 

[IfAt1st]

HOF players like Tony Parker, Mark Jackson and Avery Johnson? Do you even follow the nba?

See edit for clarification.
And Magic/Kobe/Dwayne Wade aren't HoFers?

 

[VF21]

i am also dismayed by this ramped-up anti-reke talk. its as if this particular contingent of fans has no desire to see the kings win in the foreseeable future. whether they're aware of it or not, they're advocating for the kings to take backward steps. trade this player or that player to get draft picks. make isaiah thomas the permanent starter. its all just the spinning of wheels with nowhere to go but the lottery every single year...

tyreke evans may not have improved to the degree that we would like to have seen thus far, but he's still a serious offensive threat on any given night, the kings' most consistent wing defender, and their best passer. you don't trade a player as deadly as tyreke to get more passing or better court vision. you bring in additional pieces to supplement 'reke's and demarcus cousins' talents. the kings' front office has not done that so far. in fact, its becoming more and more clear that they traded away the most consistent backcourt mate tyreke has had so far in his career. beno udrih was certainly not the long term answer at PG, but he helped to keep a young team steady. sometimes that's more valuable than talent level...

now, damn near everybody here is in agreement on demarcus cousins. his talent is obvious. he's already got the potential of a once-in-a-decade big man. but how do you think demarcus is gonna feel if the kings do as so many of you suggest? cousins has said all the right things since westphal was fired. he remains committed to sacramento. if the winning doesn't start to come, however, i don't know how attractive the kings are gonna look come free agency, the future of a new arena notwithstanding. and how do you win in the nba? with some measure of consistency. you can not keep retooling your roster every season and expect to win...

i mean, what if oklahoma city had decided not to commit to their future? they were 20-62 in their first season with kevin durant, and 23-59 in their second season with durant and russell westbrook. these things take time. and in oklahoma city's case, it didn't take a whole lot of time for them to turn it around. but once a young team turns a franchise around, watch out. winning begets more winning. the kings may not have OKC's trajectory (because tyreke is obviously no durant), but you simply DO NOT trade away evans unless you're netting an all star in return, and i just don't see that happening. sorry, folks, but, ultimately, you're talking idiocy. its a potentially franchise-crippling prospect. if you trade evans for lesser players and draft picks, i guarantee that the kings continue in their losing ways, and i guarantee that demarcus cousins takes a walk in free agency...

in short, you've just set yourself back another decade, when you had the opportunity to set yourself up for winning in that same decade. you sell your young talents on a plan. the kings rolled the dice on tyreke evans and demarcus cousins. now its time for the front office to start taking their jobs seriously and surround those two players with complementary, role playing, and, in some cases, veteran talent that can help them improve. a starting SF who can defend, move the ball, and shoot a decent percentage from outside would be a fantastic start. and such a player is not some kinda rarity in the nba. believe it or not, scrappy sparkplugs like isaiah thomas aren't rarities, either. isaiah thomas is nowhere near approaching the talent level of bobby jackson, for example, and jackson was better equipped for the nba by size, but he was still a sixth man. he was certainly an important piece on a winning team, but again, players like that are not rarities in the nba. there are dozens of them doing an excellent job of providing support for their teams off the bench...

however, players with the talent, upside, and physical builds of cousins AND evans are, in fact, rarities, whether you naysayers want to believe it or not. a front office doesn't just flippantly trade those away because they're not developing at light speed, especially when that lack of development is because of the front office's shortcomings. tyreke evans has not been put in any kind of enviable position to succeed as a player of any position so far in the nba. he's been jerked around by two different coaches now, he's been given conflicting instruction on how to play the game, he's been surrounded by players who don't complement his skill sets (apart from cousins), he's been beaten down by a local newspaper and a fanbase that doesn't believe in him, and he STILL manages to showcase all star level talent on a near-nightly basis. of course, he has to take the initiative to get better, and i think he will. he's very much a work in progress, but at 22 years old and 21 years old, respectively, i take my chances on a bull like evans and a freight train like cousins. i don't break that up for anything but an established all star that's either at superstar level talent or near-superstar level talent...

in my estimation, cousins AND evans remain the two untouchable pieces of this kings team. saddle them with complementary talent, and i STILL maintain that they will tear this league apart. i don't care how petrie and co. get it done. just ****ing get it done. the arena deal has passed. they'll be breaking ground in the near future. i wanna see this team competing in the playoffs by the time those doors have opened. anything else is just the spinning of wheels...

Nice take, Padrino. It's certainly good to see you posting again.

 

[Anthony1]

the arena deal has passed. they'll be breaking ground in the near future. i wanna see this team competing in the playoffs by the time those doors have opened. anything else is just the spinning of wheels...

This is exactly what I want to see as well.

The worst thing thats happened to our franchise in recent years, is Tyreke's rookie season and the 20-5-5 thing. Had that 20-5-5 thing not happened, everybody wouldn't have these illusions of Tyreke transforming himself into Dwayne Wade Jr. Unfortunately, he's never going to be that player. Tyreke knows how to do one thing, very, very well. He knows how to take it to the hole. Other than that, he's quite mediocre.

The thing is, what if Michael Jordan or somebody else around the league still thinks that Tyreke could be Dwayne Wade Jr. ? If we could get Charlotte's No.1 pick, plus something else, then I think it's worth taking a chance on. Sure, DeMarcus will be pissed about it initially. But I think after we take either Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or Harrison Barnes or Drummond or Thomas Robinson with Charlotte's pick (plus we still have our own lottery pick), then things will be looking up. We can still start Isaiah at the point, Marcus at the 2, Gilchrist or Barnes at the 3, possibly somebody like Henson at the 4 (with our own pick) and Cousins at center, we will be well on our way to having a lineup that will strike some serious fear into the rest of the league. Just in time for the 2015-2016 season.

We might take a step back after letting Tyreke go, to get a young top 5 draft pick guy, but the ultimate goal is to win a championship. I don't want to just barely make the 8th seed or 7th seed. I'm the type of guy that believes that every team other than Dallas was a failure last year. Moral victories are meaningless to me. If you don't win it all, then you failed, period. The ultimate goal is to win it all, and I'm willing to suffer some short term pain if it means we will be closer to that goal when our new Arena opens up. Just imagine a scenario in which Charlotte's pick turns out to actually be No.1 overall, and we take Anthony Davis. Then imagine that the Kings end up with the 6th or 7th pick, and somehow Michael Kidd-Gilchrist slips to us as well. How many years would both Davis and Gilchrist play for us before Cousins could leave as an unrestricted free agent? As long as they have say two years with Cousins, then I think it will be obvious to him that he should stay with Sacramento long term and help give us our first Championship.

 

[Padrino]

This is exactly what I want to see as well.

The worst thing thats happened to our franchise in recent years, is Tyreke's rookie season and the 20-5-5 thing. Had that 20-5-5 thing not happened, everybody wouldn't have these illusions of Tyreke transforming himself into Dwayne Wade Jr. Unfortunately, he's never going to be that player. Tyreke knows how to do one thing, very, very well. He knows how to take it to the hole. Other than that, he's quite mediocre.

The thing is, what if Michael Jordan or somebody else around the league still thinks that Tyreke could be Dwayne Wade Jr. ? If we could get Charlotte's No.1 pick, plus something else, then I think it's worth taking a chance on. Sure, DeMarcus will be pissed about it initially. But I think after we take either Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or Harrison Barnes or Drummond or Thomas Robinson with Charlotte's pick (plus we still have our own lottery pick), then things will be looking up. We can still start Isaiah at the point, Marcus at the 2, Gilchrist or Barnes at the 3, possibly somebody like Henson at the 4 (with our own pick) and Cousins at center, we will be well on our way to having a lineup that will strike some serious fear into the rest of the league. Just in time for the 2015-2016 season.

We might take a step back after letting Tyreke go, to get a young top 5 draft pick guy, but the ultimate goal is to win a championship. I don't want to just barely make the 8th seed or 7th seed. I'm the type of guy that believes that every team other than Dallas was a failure last year. Moral victories are meaningless to me. If you don't win it all, then you failed, period. The ultimate goal is to win it all, and I'm willing to suffer some short term pain if it means we will be closer to that goal when our new Arena opens up. Just imagine a scenario in which Charlotte's pick turns out to actually be No.1 overall, and we take Anthony Davis. Then imagine that the Kings end up with the 6th or 7th pick, and somehow Michael Kidd-Gilchrist slips to us as well. How many years would both Davis and Gilchrist play for us before Cousins could leave as an unrestricted free agent? As long as they have say two years with Cousins, then I think it will be obvious to him that he should stay with Sacramento long term and help give us our first Championship.

see, i just can not for the life of me understand this line of thinking. tyreke evans, at only 22 years old, might actually someday become dwayne wade jr., so why not just "take a chance" on him?! he's already a king!! a backcourt/frontcourt pairing of tyreke evans/demarcus cousins makes more balanced sense than a strictly frontcourt pairing of anthony davis/demarcus cousins. now, if the kings can snag that pick without giving up tyreke, i'd be fine with it, but why sacrifice a potential cornerstone alongside demarcus cousins for the chance at an unknown quantity like davis. oh, and per your suggestion, i'm imagining a possible scenario in which charlotte's pick becomes #1 overall, the kings trade tyreke for the opportunity to draft all 220 lbs of davis (edit: he weighs about the same as tyreke, for the record), and he becomes the next brandan wright, anthony randolph, hasheem thabeet, or hassan whiteside. its JUST as likely as davis panning out. he's got massive defensive upside, and he's playing excellently for kentucky, but his weight and his underdeveloped, raw offensive talent are a recipe for disaster in the nba. he's a long term project either way, and with demarcus cousins' contract expiring in two seasons, i, for one, DO NOT want to take the chance at cousins bolting for greener pastures because the kings were too weak to commit to developing the young talent they ALREADY HAVE...

 

[Padrino]

Nice take, Padrino. It's certainly good to see you posting again.

thank you, VF...

its nice to be back...

 

[bajaden]

Wow, just throw the facts out the window to make your case. He's limited because he can't shoot and defenders play off him and go under every screen. Clearly, Westphal was bad at player development, but I'm certain that either at Kentucky or his first two years in the league, somebody might have pointed out why his jumper is broken and how to fix it at least once.

He wasn't injured "most of" those two years. He had plantar for one of the two seasons. Even during that season, he could still work on the form of his jumper.

It's not just that he's not a good shooter yet, because that often comes along in years 4-5. 2 1/2 years into the league, he's not very far down the road he needs to start on. He's still got broken shot. He needs to start using proper form, and then refine it. Whether he can't fix it, is not working hard enough, not receptive, or whatever isn't the point ... three years in, he's a SG that can't shoot. That's a problem. Regardless of the why.

If the Kings trade him now and he becomes a good enough shooter be be a top shooting guard, they made a mistake.

If the Kings turn down trades for equal or better value and he doesn't become a good enough shooter to be a top shooting guard, Evans' value will drop a ton and the Kings made a mistake.

That's the point.

Not to nit pick, well, I guess I'am, but you had the right coach but the wrong school. Tyreke went to Memphis, where he was coached by Calapari.

 

[Glenn]

Not to nit pick, well, I guess I'am, but you had the right coach but the wrong school. Tyreke went to Memphis, where he was coached by Calapari.

I was going to say the same thing but am far more polite than you are. Somethings can just slide.

 

[bajaden]

I completely agree with this. At some point this has to translate into wins. Now sure a player like Durant didn't have great success in terms of W's when he first came into the league, and we all know that eventually changed. And that is why i would not want to give up on Evans. Whether or not he ever develops into the player we all thought/think he would is another question, but I still think he will be a very good player who could be a great 2nd fiddle to Cousins.

There are a few reasons that Durant didn't have instant success (depending on how one defines success). One, he wasn't as good a player then as he is now. He also didn't have as good a team around him. And finally, he was asked to play out of postion quite a bit at the SG spot. Once moved back to the SF position where he belonged, and had Westbrook and company, along with his improved shot selection, he and the Thunder took off. It doesn't happen overnight.

As for Tyreke. Will he develop a decent to good jumpshot? Don't know! Its up to him. Can he? Damm right, if he puts in the time with the right instruction. You shoot 500 plus jumpshots a day, every day, during the offseason under proper supervision, and I guarantee you you'll get better. Once you get used to doing something one way, its damm difficult to change it. But it can be changed with lots of hard work. Once you change your muscle memory, it stays changed unless you start screwing with it again.

Right now, there's nothing wrong with Tyreke's release. He's a good freethrow shooter. There's no reason he can't develop a good midrange game and thats all he really needs. If he can get consistent with a stop and pop at the top of the key, it will open up the lane again. I remember Larry Bird saying that you need to find a spot on the floor where your comfortable and practice your shot from there till it becomes automatic. Then find another spot and repeat the process because sooner or later, they'll take away the first spot. I don't think there's one spot on the floor I could pick out where Tyreke's automatic. Time to make the change!

 

[Glenn]

Right now, there's nothing wrong with Tyreke's release. He's a good freethrow shooter. There's no reason he can't develop a good midrange game and thats all he really needs. If he can get consistent with a stop and pop at the top of the key, it will open up the lane again. I remember Larry Bird saying that you need to find a spot on the floor where your comfortable and practice your shot from there till it becomes automatic. Then find another spot and repeat the process because sooner or later, they'll take away the first spot. I don't think there's one spot on the floor I could pick out where Tyreke's automatic. Time to make the change!

Sounds simple, actually. I realize it is a lot of work but it depends on how great he wants to be. I thought his jump shot looked OK at the beginning of the season. It began to fall apart as the season progressed. In the last several games he seldom has attempted a jumpshot so seems to have lost all faith in it. I can understand why he no longer tries a jump shot because, if he has done the "Bird method" or anything like it, he no longer is in a comfortable position to shoot from. If I recall correctly, I don't think in the first couple years that he ever shot from the corner or anywhere near it. Now he never has an oportunity to shoot from a position from out front.

If he is to try this Bird method, he needs to know what position he will be asked to play.

 

[Anthony1]

see, i just can not for the life of me understand this line of thinking. tyreke evans, at only 22 years old, might actually someday become dwayne wade jr., so why not just "take a chance" on him?! he's already a king!! a backcourt/frontcourt pairing of tyreke evans/demarcus cousins makes more balanced sense than a strictly frontcourt pairing of anthony davis/demarcus cousins. now, if the kings can snag that pick without giving up tyreke, i'd be fine with it, but why sacrifice a potential cornerstone alongside demarcus cousins for the chance at an unknown quantity like davis. oh, and per your suggestion, i'm imagining a possible scenario in which charlotte's pick becomes #1 overall, the kings trade tyreke for the opportunity to draft all 220 lbs of davis (edit: he weighs about the same as tyreke, for the record), and he becomes the next brandan wright, anthony randolph, hasheem thabeet, or hassan whiteside. its JUST as likely as davis panning out. he's got massive defensive upside, and he's playing excellently for kentucky, but his weight and his underdeveloped, raw offensive talent are a recipe for disaster in the nba. he's a long term project either way, and with demarcus cousins' contract expiring in two seasons, i, for one, DO NOT want to take the chance at cousins bolting for greener pastures because the kings were too weak to commit to developing the young talent they ALREADY HAVE...

Well, the thing is... there are pretty much 2 camps when it comes to Tyreke. One camp, thinks that he will develop a jumpshot, and better court awareness. Another camp, believes he is what he "currently" is. I'm in the 2nd camp. If you're in the 1st camp, then yeah, trading him would be truly asinine. It's a risky play, no question. I've said it many times on this forum that I just don't like players that you have to have all the other players on the team accommodate their unique game. Those of you in the first camp, believe that he will develop a consistent jumper, and improve his court awareness, and then we won't have to structure everything perfectly around him, to placate his somewhat abnormal style. Those of us in the second camp, believe you either have the court awareness or you don't, and that while his jumper could be improved a bit, it won't improve as much as we need it to.

One camp is going to be right, and one is going to be wrong, and I have no idea which way it's going to go, but I just think that if Charlotte would give up their first rounder for 2012 plus Bismack, I'd take it, and take my chances.

 

[Gary]

Wow, some people here are so quick to get rid of Tyreke. So glad that some of you aren’t our gm.

The reason Tyreke hasn’t been able to improve on the slashing and passing is because for his first two years his coach didn’t have rules for him, and last year he was injured most of the time. How do you expect him to improve on the court when the coach doesn’t tell him what he needs to do? Paul didn’t even have a offense for our players to run, if I’m not mistaken I think that in itself is a huge problem.

Now, I’m not happy how we’re using Tyreke at the SF position. The guy needs the ball in his hands and I think he’s finally getting some coaching/teaching that he needed in his first 2 years. And I hope I’m not the only one but I see the improvement.

Tyreke needs to use the summer and make sure he works with a proven shooting coach. It would be nice if he came back next year with a midrange game – which I think he can do.

Also, the Maloofs need to relax and stop interfering with our players and how they’re used. I love I.T’s game but we need him off the bench. There is no reason to not use him to his strength.

2 and a half years is a long time to learn the PG position. Many teams wouldn't have been so patient. He's not really improving much, if at all. Evans will never be a PG. He's a scoring guard that occasionally passes. The problem with him being a scoring guard is that he has no jumpshot. He always does this fade away off his back foot jump shot that does not even come close most of the time.

Where would you even put Evans? PG? Thomas is a better PG than Evans so what kind of message are you sending the kid when you take him out when he's done nothing wrong, and outplays Evans at point. SG? Move Thornton to the bench when he's the leading scorer on the team?

Smart is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Evans is a good basketball player, but he's not good at what we need him to do right now. He's the odd man out, and if he has value I would love to see an equal value trade for an established PG or a SF. If you cannot get a trade of equal value then hang on to Evans for the rest of the year then re-visit it.

 

[swisshh]

see, i just can not for the life of me understand this line of thinking. tyreke evans, at only 22 years old, might actually someday become dwayne wade jr., so why not just "take a chance" on him?!

Sorry, this just isn't happening.

I've developed what I call the Tyreke Evans Comparison Formula. Or TECF for short. The TECF works like a simple ad lib:

Tyreke Evans is just like _GREATPLAYER_ except without _VITALASPECTOFGAME_ so he's not like _GREATPLAYER_.

Watch!

Tyreke Evans is just like Dwyane Wade except without a midrange game, explosiveness or elite athleticism, so he's not Dwyane Wade.
Tyreke Evans is just like Manu Ginobli except without an outside shot, pull up jumper or great BBALL IQ, so he's not Manu Ginobli.
Tyreke Evans is just like Lebron James except without a elite athleticism, great passing and court vision and BBALL IQ, so he's not Lebron James.
Tyreke Evans is just like Kobe Bryant except without an outside shot, explosiveness or elite athleticism, so he's not Kobe Bryant.

You can plug in names and play at home.

 

[rainmaker]

2 and a half years is a long time to learn the PG position. Many teams wouldn't have been so patient. He's not really improving much, if at all. Evans will never be a PG. He's a scoring guard that occasionally passes. The problem with him being a scoring guard is that he has no jumpshot. He always does this fade away off his back foot jump shot that does not even come close most of the time.

Where would you even put Evans? PG? Thomas is a better PG than Evans so what kind of message are you sending the kid when you take him out when he's done nothing wrong, and outplays Evans at point. SG? Move Thornton to the bench when he's the leading scorer on the team?

Smart is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Evans is a good basketball player, but he's not good at what we need him to do right now. He's the odd man out, and if he has value I would love to see an equal value trade for an established PG or a SF. If you cannot get a trade of equal value then hang on to Evans for the rest of the year then re-visit it.

IT is not the better pg. Starting him was a poor decision and he has fallen back down to earth. That's 5 consecutive poor games by him. He's a bit of a chucker as well. He and MT didn't get anyone involved,including the best player on the court. Reke was hands down our best creator tonight. Only on who actually penetrated the half court defense and created for others.

Now, if we can get a great pg and move Reke to the 2, I'm for it. But right now with this roster he's the best creator in the halfcourt aside from playing off Cuz. You can only get so many assists in transition and that's where IT gets most of his. Probably why most want him as a spark plug off the bench pushing the pace.

 

[IfAt1st]

IT is not the better pg. Starting him was a poor decision and he has fallen back down to earth. That's 5 consecutive poor games by him.

Wait just one second there.

IT had a BAD GAME?!

4 for 5 from the field, 2 for 2 FT, 2 for 2 3ptrs, 2 steals 3 assists in 17 minutes with the game winning steal and assist.......... and he had a BAD GAME?

I don't wanna know what kind of agendas are coating people's opinions on KF's, I really don't.

 

[VF21]

Wait just one second there.

IT had a BAD GAME?!

4 for 5 from the field, 2 for 2 FT, 2 for 2 3ptrs, 2 steals 3 assists in 17 minutes with the game winning steal and assist.......... and he had a BAD GAME?

I don't wanna know what kind of agendas are coating people's opinions on KF's, I really don't.

And yet you continue to bring it up. Puzzlement, isn't it?

 

[Gary]

IT is not the better pg. Starting him was a poor decision and he has fallen back down to earth. That's 5 consecutive poor games by him. He's a bit of a chucker as well. He and MT didn't get anyone involved,including the best player on the court. Reke was hands down our best creator tonight. Only on who actually penetrated the half court defense and created for others.

Now, if we can get a great pg and move Reke to the 2, I'm for it. But right now with this roster he's the best creator in the halfcourt aside from playing off Cuz. You can only get so many assists in transition and that's where IT gets most of his. Probably why most want him as a spark plug off the bench pushing the pace.

You and I will have to disagree then.. team assists vs turnovers tell a different story. People want to pull IT after 10 starts or so and they give Evans 2 and a half years of sucking at PG and they want him back playing PG? IMO he's not a PG, and IT is.. So start IT there because he's better at that position.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wait just one second there.

IT had a BAD GAME?!

4 for 5 from the field, 2 for 2 FT, 2 for 2 3ptrs, 2 steals 3 assists in 17 minutes with the game winning steal and assist.......... and he had a BAD GAME?

I don't wanna know what kind of agendas are coating people's opinions on KF's, I really don't.

Probably the same agendas the coach had, when he yanked him and sat him most of the night because the ball wasn't moving and Jarret Jack looked like DWade just blowing through the little guy.

Now I certainly think it was a better game than the last few, but there were some major issues that were kind of predictable back when the whole Isianity started.