[Game] Kings @ Suns - Tuesday, April 3 - 7 PT

[sactowndog]

How badly did the Suns want to lose? There wasn't a single defender within 20-ft of Bogie

They didn’t even try to guard him. Not sure how Bogie missed that shot. No defender in 20 ft? Wonder if anyone wanted to win??

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Should've let Fox shoot it.

We need to keep the legend under wraps until next year!

 

[KingKong]

Bogie was wiiiiiide open. Could've probably stepped a little closer, even though he can knock it down from there.

 

[Tetsujin]

Bogie was wiiiiiide open. Could've probably stepped a little closer, even though he can knock it down from there.

Considering how fast he got open, he had enough time to sit down, stretch his legs, and get back up before a defender would've even gotten near him

 

[KingKong]

God, the Kings are the clutchest bad team in the world

If every game this season came down to the wire, I have no doubt the Kings would be in playoff contention and then some.

 

[PHXSUNSFAN]

Bogie + Skal + a guy we cut >>>>>>>>> Chriss

A ham sandwich >>>>>>>> Chriss

 

[PHXSUNSFAN]

Suns have Devin Booker and Josh Jackson and are content to throw the season away instead of building an identity around those two guys. Sometimes bad teams stay bad for a reason(us included).

Booker is injured. And I’m sure you applied your logic to the 76ers when they tanked....and look where they are now.

 

[sactowndog]

Considering how fast he got open, he had enough time to sit down, stretch his legs, and get back up before a defender would've even gotten near him

Bogie’s brain is lightening fast. Wonder if he assumed Phoenix did that on purpose and missed the shot on purpose???

Not a single Suns defender tried to guard him or even moved toward him as he received the ball. Bogdan is smart enough to recognize that fact. It was pretty damm blatant and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Bogdan said F you and missed the shot on purpose.

 

[CelticsFan]

Bogie’s brain is lightening fast. Wonder if he assumed Phoenix did that on purpose and missed the shot on purpose???

Not a single Suns defender tried to guard him or even moved toward him as he received the ball. Bogdan is smart enough to recognize that fact. It was pretty damm blatant and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Bogdan said F you and missed the shot on purpose.

No offense but that’s a ridiculous take.

 

[sactowndog]

No offense but that’s a ridiculous take.

Exactly what part do you believe is ridiculous?

1) That the Suns clearly didn’t bother to defend and blatantly let Bogie be open by a ridiculous amount?

2) That Bogie is smart enough to realize in the moment what is going on?

3) That Bogie missed a stand-alone wide open three with absolutely no defense? A shot he makes at a very high rate when standing alone with no defenders coming at him.

 

[ESP47]

Think he's referring to the Bogie saying F you and missing on purpose part.

 

[CelticsFan]

Based on what?

That the Suns clearly didn’t bother to defend and blatantly let Bogie be open by a ridiculous amount?

Or that Bogie missed a stand-alone wide open three with absolutely no defense?

I think it's ridiculous you're suggesting Bogie missed a wide open 3 on purpose. Call me naive but Bogie doesn't come off as a guy who would INTENTIONALLY hurt his team

 

[andjel]

he really did not hurt his team with that miss. That was most of the time professional basketball game only in name.

 

[ESP47]

Now don't laugh at the comparison but Buddy's defense on Jackson with a couple minutes left to go there reminded me a lot of Ron Artest.

He bodied up on Jackson, covered him like a wet blanket and then poked the ball away with precision. Just the way that defensive possession looked (and the one before it) reminded me a lot of Ron Ron.

 

[sactowndog]

I think it's ridiculous you're suggesting Bogie missed a wide open 3 on purpose. Call me naive but Bogie doesn't come off as a guy who would INTENTIONALLY hurt his team

So you think the Suns would intentionally leave a player wide open?

 

[hrdboild]

Booker is injured. And I’m sure you applied your logic to the 76ers when they tanked....and look where they are now.

You're coming in to a fan board that watched owners nearly steal the team and move it twice (Anaheim, Seattle) then the new owner fired the best coach we've had in almost a decade for no reason and gifted us with a year of grumpy George Karl openly feuding with his own team not to mention endless debates about DeMarcus Cousins' antics, Isaiah Thomas being either a superstar or a detriment, and the relative merits of draft busts Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Thomas Robinson, and Ben McLemore. We're about to inherit the title of "longest playoff drought" from the TWolves and in that entire decade of losing we've had zero top 3 picks (unless you count the pick last year which our GM had previously traded to Philly in a salary dump move). Oh and we owe next year's pick completely unprotected to somebody (Boston now I believe) because of the same trade. Needless to say, things are a bit testy around here. A lot of fans are upset that a team which traded the best player they've ever drafted last year and has no pick in 2019 can't even have the decency to give us one all out tank year to make up for it. A lot of fans are aghast that anyone would ever root for their team to lose regardless of circumstances. This is not really about what Phoenix does its about years of frustration with the shifting whims of millionaire owners acting like petulant children with the only pro team our city has ever had. I wouldn't take anything we have to say about opposing teams or their fanbases personally. All that frustration has to be directed somewhere.

For the record I think what Phoenix is doing is the right move. Jackson and Booker are both previous draft crushes of mine and they're in great shape to add either Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or Trae Young in the draft this year. I expect to lose a lot of games to that Phoenix team in the future. As long as you spend the next decade humiliating the Lakers we'll call it even.

 

[CelticsFan]

So you think the Suns would intentionally leave a player wide open?

I think you could call it bad/lazy defense. I've never met Bogie but I would bet he's never missed a shot intentionally in a professional game in his life.

 

[jcassio]

You're coming in to a fan board that watched owners nearly steal the team and move it twice (Anaheim, Seattle) then the new owner fired the best coach we've had in almost a decade for no reason and gifted us with a year of grumpy George Karl openly feuding with his own team not to mention endless debates about DeMarcus Cousins' antics, Isaiah Thomas being either a superstar or a detriment, and the relative merits of draft busts Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Thomas Robinson, and Ben McLemore. We're about to inherit the title of "longest playoff drought" from the TWolves and in that entire decade of losing we've had zero top 3 picks (unless you count the pick last year which our GM had previously traded to Philly in a salary dump move). Oh and we owe next year's pick completely unprotected to somebody (Boston now I believe) because of the same trade. Needless to say, things are a bit testy around here. A lot of fans are upset that a team which traded the best player they've ever drafted last year and has no pick in 2019 can't even have the decency to give us one all out tank year to make up for it. A lot of fans are aghast that anyone would ever root for their team to lose regardless of circumstances. This is not really about what Phoenix does its about years of frustration with the shifting whims of millionaire owners acting like petulant children with the only pro team our city has ever had. I wouldn't take anything we have to say about opposing teams or their fanbases personally. All that frustration has to be directed somewhere.

Beautiful paragraph.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

You're coming in to a fan board that watched owners nearly steal the team and move it twice (Anaheim, Seattle) then the new owner fired the best coach we've had in almost a decade for no reason and gifted us with a year of grumpy George Karl openly feuding with his own team not to mention endless debates about DeMarcus Cousins' antics, Isaiah Thomas being either a superstar or a detriment, and the relative merits of draft busts Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Thomas Robinson, and Ben McLemore. We're about to inherit the title of "longest playoff drought" from the TWolves and in that entire decade of losing we've had zero top 3 picks (unless you count the pick last year which our GM had previously traded to Philly in a salary dump move). Oh and we owe next year's pick completely unprotected to somebody (Boston now I believe) because of the same trade. Needless to say, things are a bit testy around here. A lot of fans are upset that a team which traded the best player they've ever drafted last year and has no pick in 2019 can't even have the decency to give us one all out tank year to make up for it. A lot of fans are aghast that anyone would ever root for their team to lose regardless of circumstances. This is not really about what Phoenix does its about years of frustration with the shifting whims of millionaire owners acting like petulant children with the only pro team our city has ever had. I wouldn't take anything we have to say about opposing teams or their fanbases personally. All that frustration has to be directed somewhere.

For the record I think what Phoenix is doing is the right move. Jackson and Booker are both previous draft crushes of mine and they're in great shape to add either Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or Trae Young in the draft this year. I expect to lose a lot of games to that Phoenix team in the future. As long as you spend the next decade humiliating the Lakers we'll call it even.

100% accurate

 

[sactowndog]

I think you could call it bad/lazy defense. I've never met Bogie but I would bet he's never missed a shot intentionally in a professional game in his life.

You may be correct but usually in bad/lazy defense someone at least tries to get to the best shooter on the other team.

 

[VF21]

You're coming in to a fan board that watched owners nearly steal the team and move it twice (Anaheim, Seattle) then the new owner fired the best coach we've had in almost a decade for no reason and gifted us with a year of grumpy George Karl openly feuding with his own team not to mention endless debates about DeMarcus Cousins' antics, Isaiah Thomas being either a superstar or a detriment, and the relative merits of draft busts Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Thomas Robinson, and Ben McLemore. We're about to inherit the title of "longest playoff drought" from the TWolves and in that entire decade of losing we've had zero top 3 picks (unless you count the pick last year which our GM had previously traded to Philly in a salary dump move). Oh and we owe next year's pick completely unprotected to somebody (Boston now I believe) because of the same trade. Needless to say, things are a bit testy around here. A lot of fans are upset that a team which traded the best player they've ever drafted last year and has no pick in 2019 can't even have the decency to give us one all out tank year to make up for it. A lot of fans are aghast that anyone would ever root for their team to lose regardless of circumstances. This is not really about what Phoenix does its about years of frustration with the shifting whims of millionaire owners acting like petulant children with the only pro team our city has ever had. I wouldn't take anything we have to say about opposing teams or their fanbases personally. All that frustration has to be directed somewhere.

Wow. I'm impressed. You captured the whole Kings fan experience in one paragraph and represented the feelings of both sides. Nice job.

 

[hrdboild]

Aww thanks guys/gals! To be fair, it was a rather long paragraph. I'll try to do it better next time!

........ ...now off to watch some more Luka Doncic highlights...

 

[burekijogurt]

We might end up drafting Doncic. We will have pick number 2 so it all depends on who the team with the 1st pick takes...

 

[mac]

We might end up drafting Doncic. We will have pick number 2 so it all depends on who the team with the 1st pick takes...

I hope that's you, Adam Silver

 

[sactowndog]

I think it's ridiculous you're suggesting Bogie missed a wide open 3 on purpose. Call me naive but Bogie doesn't come off as a guy who would INTENTIONALLY hurt his team

I guess that all depends on how one defines “hurt his team” doesn’t it? One thing we do know about Bogdan he won’t put his personal stats before the teams best interest.

 

[edwardyoung111]

You're coming in to a fan board that watched owners nearly steal the team and move it twice (Anaheim, Seattle) then the new owner fired the best coach we've had in almost a decade for no reason and gifted us with a year of grumpy George Karl openly feuding with his own team not to mention endless debates about DeMarcus Cousins' antics, Isaiah Thomas being either a superstar or a detriment, and the relative merits of draft busts Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Thomas Robinson, and Ben McLemore. We're about to inherit the title of "longest playoff drought" from the TWolves and in that entire decade of losing we've had zero top 3 picks (unless you count the pick last year which our GM had previously traded to Philly in a salary dump move). Oh and we owe next year's pick completely unprotected to somebody (Boston now I believe) because of the same trade. Needless to say, things are a bit testy around here. A lot of fans are upset that a team which traded the best player they've ever drafted last year and has no pick in 2019 can't even have the decency to give us one all out tank year to make up for it. A lot of fans are aghast that anyone would ever root for their team to lose regardless of circumstances. This is not really about what Phoenix does its about years of frustration with the shifting whims of millionaire owners acting like petulant children with the only pro team our city has ever had. I wouldn't take anything we have to say about opposing teams or their fanbases personally. All that frustration has to be directed somewhere.

For the record I think what Phoenix is doing is the right move. Jackson and Booker are both previous draft crushes of mine and they're in great shape to add either Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or Trae Young in the draft this year. I expect to lose a lot of games to that Phoenix team in the future. As long as you spend the next decade humiliating the Lakers we'll call it even.

Here is what I disagree with:

1) Yes, the owner erred in firing Malone (because they did not think he could run an uptempo offense - do we have an uptempo offense NOW? - no, we don't, although Denver sure does) but in truth, it was Cousins killed the coach.

2) Karl got "grumpy" after Vlade cut his legs off after the Cousins office tirade - but Karl was not "Vlade's hire", so Divac set him up for failure. Even so, Karl was/is such a good coach (although his intensity WAS diminished by cancer battles) that he had that team on the way to the 2016 playoffs until the refs stole the season from us and after that, Karl saw that he was history and just coached it out with little or no interest. So, blame for the 2015-2016 season goes A. Vlade, B. Referees, C. Karl/Cousins.

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Regarding the Phoenix game, here is a link to the play by play:

http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975913

another bad game for Fox although Jackson was not outscored by double digits (minor victory).

But if you check the first quarter, you will note that each team fouled only once (refs probably wanted to get this game behind them as quickly as possible).

At 4:42, Buddy fouls with 1.5 seconds left on the clock - really, really dumb (Buddy is very slow to understand obvious truisms of the game - but he started late, a poor kid in a poor country with no bb tradition, so, hopefully Joerger lectured him on this and he gets better - i'll be watching to see if he learns from or repeats this mistake - given a new possession, the Suns hit a three to tie the game).

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So, is this three straight games with no Koufos (not on the injury list)? I GET not playing Randolph but WHY sit Koufos and start Justin and VINCE (???) at forwards - oh, that's right, situational tanking.

I understood when they did not play Koufos against the Warriors - he might have dominated McGhulia and let the Warriors see their future center in action (if they can work KK into the cap), but WHY when we had no bigs save Wille did Koufos sit? - and the Suns simply went repeatedly to the hoop, especially in the first quarter. VINCE CARTER, EMERGENCY STARTER? I'd have rather seen Bruno.

btw, how does KK's opt-in work? can he negotiate with other teams BEFORE he chooses whether or not to opt in?

is it considered "fair" for his agent to speak to Myers before advising his client whether or not to opt in or not?

 

[VF21]

Here is what I disagree with:

1) Yes, the owner erred in firing Malone (because they did not think he could run an uptempo offense - do we have an uptempo offense NOW? - no, we don't, although Denver sure does) but in truth, it was Cousins killed the coach.

2) Karl got "grumpy" after Vlade cut his legs off after the Cousins office tirade - but Karl was not "Vlade's hire", so Divac set him up for failure. Even so, Karl was/is such a good coach (although his intensity WAS diminished by cancer battles) that he had that team on the way to the 2016 playoffs until the refs stole the season from us and after that, Karl saw that he was history and just coached it out with little or no interest. So, blame for the 2015-2016 season goes A. Vlade, B. Referees, C. Karl/Cousins.

We're not going to revisit those arguments, which consumed this board for months.