Kings sign Carl Landry

[John Galt]

PDA bashers trot out the expression "straw man argument" a lot.

Is this one?:

A) PDA has ruined the franchise and does not know what he is doing. I will burn myself with gasoline. Signing Landry is a franchise destroying move, the type that will haunt the team for decades. PDA is a stat nerd who is in over his head. There is a great deal to be worried about. He talks defense then goes out and hires Landry, destroying our path forward with napalm. This front office has destroyed in an hour what it took Petrie and the Maloofs 15 years to build. Losing Reke, pulling the Igoudala offer, accepting Grievis in the S&T, and signing Landry are all horrible moves. Not only does PDA not know the league, he does not know this team.

B) You guys are reacting crazy. Nothing has had time to develop. Reke is not as precious as Pelicans think - Iggy was not coming anyway - Grievis is better than nothing in return for Evans - Landry is a good locker room guy, a productive offensive player, a smart guy, and a known commodity as far as Coach Malone is concerned. It is insane to call for PDA's head on the basis of one week's work and a partially executed plan. He's almost certainly not done. Perhaps this is prelude to a trade for a Granger type and/or quality backup Center. You're missing the big picture and overreacting. You're lacking perspective, after all we almost lost the team to Seattle. Constant bashing every time PDA exhales is not fun why do you persist in the hysterics?

C) Oh, so nobody may ever criticize a PDA move? That is what message boards are for. You are saying that because Vivek saved the team, PDA may never be criticized for any moves he makes. That is illogical so you are crazy. You won't tolerate any critique of the GM and I'm not a sycophant so eff you.

 

[Bricklayer]

I will add that the main thing that mystifies me is signing Landry rather than keeping Lopez but I'll defer to the head coach here as he knows his guy.

I had not really considered that, but that's just another angle of mysticism. You are right. Lopez, active shtoblocking/hustling 7 footer was going to earn $5mil this year, and we turned him away to instead give that money to Carl Landry, short 6'7" offensively minded black hole, on a 4yr contract insetad of 2. It was basically a direct swap of those two players.

 

[The_Jamal]

he was showing that it was redundant to sign carl landry when ppat and JT can do the exact same thing as carl landry? does that make sense??? or lets have 3 bigs that all do the same thing and 3 guards that all do the same thing...cus well thats how you win right? - pete tha god

Does everyone have selective reading here?

I already said Landry only makes sense if we have a JT/PPat deal in the works and are working on getting a defensive big to pair with Cousins.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

I had not really considered that, but that's just another angle of mysticism. You are right. Lopez, active shtoblocking/hustling 7 footer was going to earn $5mil this year, and we turned him away to instead give that money to Carl Landry, short 6'7" offensively minded black hole, on a 4yr contract insetad of 2. It was basically a direct swap of those two players.

Maybe NOLA would pass up the sign and trade if they gave Lopez to Sactown? I dunno...

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Except, as I'll keep posting until people calm down so we can rationally discuss things, JT wasn't better in most statistical ways last season (link).

Edit: I'm not saying these stats are gospel, but you certainly can't say they strongly favor JT. And our new FO seems to be very stats-oriented, and in terms of tying to understand their plan, I'd guess they were considering these kinds of things in making the deal.

Considering Landry has been on 4 teams in the last 4 years, I think you need to use 4 years to establish a baseline to account for his superior teammates last year.

Carl's Stats: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Carl%20Landry
JT's Stats: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Jason%20Thompson

Defensive Stats adjusted per 40 minutes:

Player         Year STL	 BLK	CHG	DEF    PF
Jason Thompson 2010 0.70 1.26	0.14	2.09   4.7
Jason Thompson 2011 0.64 1.01	0.00	1.85   4.8	
Jason Thompson 2012 1.01 1.06	0.22	2.29   3.6
Jason Thompson 2013 0.85 1.07	0.14	2.06   4.0

Player      Year STL	BLK	CHG	DEF    PF
Carl Landry 2010 0.79	1.30	0.20	2.29   4.1 HOU
Carl Landry 2010 0.99	0.65	0.11	1.75   3.3 SAC
Carl Landry 2011 0.85	0.57	0.00	1.54   3.6 SAC
Carl Landry 2011 0.66	0.80	0.00	1.59   4.7 NO
Carl Landry 2012 0.52	0.48	0.16	1.16   3.6
Carl Landry 2013 0.69	0.67	0.19	1.55   4.0

Advantage: Jason Thompson

Passing

Player         Year AST	 AST+  AR	TOR	TO	A:T
Jason Thompson 2010 2.1  2.4   11.87	13.30	2.4	0.89
Jason Thompson 2011 2.0  2.2   12.07	13.73	2.3	0.88
Jason Thompson 2012 1.9  2.1   13.38	11.51	1.6	1.16	
Jason Thompson 2013 1.4  1.6   8.01	9.82	1.7	0.82

Player      Year AST	AST+    AR	TOR	TO	A:T
Carl Landry  2010 1.1	1.4	5.25	11.30	2.4	0.47  HOU
Carl Landry  2010 1.0	1.2	5.27	10.13	1.9	0.52  SAC
Carl Landry  2011 1.4	1.7	7.57	12.41	2.3	0.61  SAC
Carl Landry  2011 0.9	1.1	4.96	10.30	1.8	0.48  NO
Carl Landry  2012 1.5	1.8	7.50	12.82	2.6	0.58		
Carl Landry  2013 1.4	1.6	7.20	12.72	2.4	0.57

Advantage: Jason Thompson

Rebounding

Player         Year OReb DReb	TReb	ORR	DRR	TRR
Jason Thompson 2010 3.8  7.0	10.8	10.8	20.4	15.5
Jason Thompson 2011 3.3  7.1	10.4	9.1	20.7	14.8	
Jason Thompson 2012 4.0  6.7	10.7	10.5	19.2	14.6	
Jason Thompson 2013 3.0  6.5	9.5	8.4	19.1	13.6

Player      Year OReb   DReb	TReb	ORR	DRR	TRR
Carl Landry 2010 3.5	4.7	8.1	9.5	13.9	11.6	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 2.5	4.4	6.9	7.1	12.8	9.9	SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.6	3.6	7.2	10.0	10.5	10.3    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 2.5	3.7	6.2	7.6	11.4	9.5	NO
Carl Landry 2012 3.1	5.4	8.6	9.4	15.9	12.7	
Carl Landry 2013 3.8	6.5	10.3	10.9	17.4	14.2

Advantage: Jason Thompson, one thing to not was Jason's drop last year in Offensive Rebounds and Landry's anomalous rebounding last year. Landry I think can be chalked up to playing almost no regular season minutes with Bogut and an offense that rained threes and no other post players. Jason Thompson's offensive rebounds I think can be explained by the next chart.

Shooting

                    3-9 Feet 	                10-15 Feet 	                16-23 Feet
Player         Year M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As
Jason Thompson 2010 1.4	3.0	45.3	55.6	0.4	1.3	33.8	69.2	1.6	4.2	39.0	88.5
Jason Thompson 2011 1.3	3.2	42.8	72.9	0.4	1.1	38.8	68.4	1.1	3.2	35.0	98.0
Jason Thompson 2012 1.3	3.0	44.4	50.0	0.1	0.4	37.5	50.0	0.7	1.9	39.0	83.9
Jason Thompson 2013 1.4	3.0	46.2	52.6	0.8	1.5	49.4	79.1	1.3	3.2	42.0	90.5

                 3-9 Feet 	                10-15 Feet 	                16-23 Feet
Player      Year M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As
Carl Landry 2010 1.4	2.9	47.6	44.9	0.8	1.8	43.8	50.0	0.9	2.8	32.0	65.6	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 0.6	2.1	30.4	41.2	0.9	1.9	49.0	45.8	2.2	5.1	44.0	66.1    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 1.3	2.9	42.7	54.5	0.7	1.9	37.3	44.0	1.5	4.5	34.0	55.6    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 1.2	2.4	50.0	27.8	1.0	2.5	39.5	66.7	1.6	4.2	38.0	70.8    NO
Carl Landry 2012 1.4	3.3	42.7	42.9	1.0	2.4	41.0	40.0	1.2	3.2	36.0	51.7
Carl Landry 2013 0.7	1.8	38.6	43.8	0.7	1.6	45.8	57.6	1.2	3.1	38.0	79.6

It's amazing how improved that baseline jumper is for Jason, and I think by utilizing it more he is being pulled away from the basket. I would give the advantage to Jason here is he is trending up, while Landry is trending down. Another thing to note is the much higher %AS rate for Jason, not sure if that would be considered a good thing as maybe his shots are more in the context of the offense?

And the one area where Landry has the definite advantage (Landry also averages about two more FTA a game):

                    At Rim
Player         Year M	A	FG%	%As
Jason Thompson 2010 2.8	4.6	61.0	57.8
Jason Thompson 2011 3.3	4.6	70.8	53.1
Jason Thompson 2012 3.5	5.3	65.8	59.7	
Jason Thompson 2013 3.0	4.7	62.5	61.7

                    At Rim
Player      Year M	A	FG%	%As
Carl Landry 2010 5.5	8.1	67.7	59.1	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 3.7	5.2	70.1	54.2    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.3	4.4	75.2	46.1	SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.3	4.3	76.9	62.0	NO
Carl Landry 2012 3.7	5.4	69.4	53.8	
Carl Landry 2013 4.1	5.8	70.8	66.7

I for one don't think it was worth letting Evans go nor our cap space going forward.

 

[andjel]

we got second round pick though

 

[Bricklayer]

Does everyone have selective reading here?

I already said Landry only makes sense if we have a JT/PPat deal in the works and are working on getting a defensive big to pair with Cousins.

Now actually if you had taken that stance and run with it you and I wouldn't be having yet another disagreement (and yes, in a fast moving thread I apparently missed where you mentioned this before).

That is my only explanation for this move. Maybe we are trying to use Jason or PPat to get Asik.

 

[The_Jamal]

consider this JT was starter with one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Landry was a bench player rebouding against other bench players. and 5 min more would have given landry a whopping 6.8 reb if you average his rebounds per 5 min. do yeah landry would have dominated JT in rebound 6.8 to 6.7. I wonder why he only got 4 per game the last time he was on a team with cousins????? hmmmm

This really is comical at this point. I'll just stop while I'm ahead.

 

[TheWileyVet]

What the fffffff

 

[Bricklayer]

Considering Landry has been on 4 teams in the last 4 years, I think you need to use 4 years to establish a baseline to account for his superior teammates last year.

Carl's Stats: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Carl%20Landry
JT's Stats: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Jason%20Thompson

Defensive Stats adjusted per 40 minutes:

Player         Year STL	 BLK	CHG	DEF    PF
Jason Thompson 2010 0.70 1.26	0.14	2.09   4.7
Jason Thompson 2011 0.64 1.01	0.00	1.85   4.8	
Jason Thompson 2012 1.01 1.06	0.22	2.29   3.6
Jason Thompson 2013 0.85 1.07	0.14	2.06   4.0

Player      Year STL	BLK	CHG	DEF    PF
Carl Landry 2010 0.79	1.30	0.20	2.29   4.1 HOU
Carl Landry 2010 0.99	0.65	0.11	1.75   3.3 SAC
Carl Landry 2011 0.85	0.57	0.00	1.54   3.6 SAC
Carl Landry 2011 0.66	0.80	0.00	1.59   4.7 NO
Carl Landry 2012 0.52	0.48	0.16	1.16   3.6
Carl Landry 2013 0.69	0.67	0.19	1.55   4.0

Advantage: Jason Thompson

Passing

Player         Year AST	 AST+  AR	TOR	TO	A:T
Jason Thompson 2010 2.1  2.4   11.87	13.30	2.4	0.89
Jason Thompson 2011 2.0  2.2   12.07	13.73	2.3	0.88
Jason Thompson 2012 1.9  2.1   13.38	11.51	1.6	1.16	
Jason Thompson 2013 1.4  1.6   8.01	9.82	1.7	0.82

Player      Year AST	AST+    AR	TOR	TO	A:T
Carl Landry  2010 1.1	1.4	5.25	11.30	2.4	0.47  HOU
Carl Landry  2010 1.0	1.2	5.27	10.13	1.9	0.52  SAC
Carl Landry  2011 1.4	1.7	7.57	12.41	2.3	0.61  SAC
Carl Landry  2011 0.9	1.1	4.96	10.30	1.8	0.48  NO
Carl Landry  2012 1.5	1.8	7.50	12.82	2.6	0.58		
Carl Landry  2013 1.4	1.6	7.20	12.72	2.4	0.57

Advantage: Jason Thompson

Rebounding

Player         Year OReb DReb	TReb	ORR	DRR	TRR
Jason Thompson 2010 3.8  7.0	10.8	10.8	20.4	15.5
Jason Thompson 2011 3.3  7.1	10.4	9.1	20.7	14.8	
Jason Thompson 2012 4.0  6.7	10.7	10.5	19.2	14.6	
Jason Thompson 2013 3.0  6.5	9.5	8.4	19.1	13.6

Player      Year OReb   DReb	TReb	ORR	DRR	TRR
Carl Landry 2010 3.5	4.7	8.1	9.5	13.9	11.6	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 2.5	4.4	6.9	7.1	12.8	9.9	SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.6	3.6	7.2	10.0	10.5	10.3    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 2.5	3.7	6.2	7.6	11.4	9.5	NO
Carl Landry 2012 3.1	5.4	8.6	9.4	15.9	12.7	
Carl Landry 2013 3.8	6.5	10.3	10.9	17.4	14.2

Advantage: Jason Thompson, one thing to not was Jason's drop last year in Offensive Rebounds and Landry's anomalous rebounding last year. Landry I think can be chalked up to playing almost no regular season minutes with Bogut and an offense that rained threes and no other post players. Jason Thompson's offensive rebounds I think can be explained by the next chart.

Shooting

                    3-9 Feet 	                10-15 Feet 	                16-23 Feet
Player         Year M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As
Jason Thompson 2010 1.4	3.0	45.3	55.6	0.4	1.3	33.8	69.2	1.6	4.2	39.0	88.5
Jason Thompson 2011 1.3	3.2	42.8	72.9	0.4	1.1	38.8	68.4	1.1	3.2	35.0	98.0
Jason Thompson 2012 1.3	3.0	44.4	50.0	0.1	0.4	37.5	50.0	0.7	1.9	39.0	83.9
Jason Thompson 2013 1.4	3.0	46.2	52.6	0.8	1.5	49.4	79.1	1.3	3.2	42.0	90.5

                 3-9 Feet 	                10-15 Feet 	                16-23 Feet
Player      Year M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As	M	A	FG%	%As
Carl Landry 2010 1.4	2.9	47.6	44.9	0.8	1.8	43.8	50.0	0.9	2.8	32.0	65.6	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 0.6	2.1	30.4	41.2	0.9	1.9	49.0	45.8	2.2	5.1	44.0	66.1    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 1.3	2.9	42.7	54.5	0.7	1.9	37.3	44.0	1.5	4.5	34.0	55.6    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 1.2	2.4	50.0	27.8	1.0	2.5	39.5	66.7	1.6	4.2	38.0	70.8    NO
Carl Landry 2012 1.4	3.3	42.7	42.9	1.0	2.4	41.0	40.0	1.2	3.2	36.0	51.7
Carl Landry 2013 0.7	1.8	38.6	43.8	0.7	1.6	45.8	57.6	1.2	3.1	38.0	79.6

It's amazing how improved that baseline jumper is for Jason, and I think by utilizing it more he is being pulled away from the basket. I would give the advantage to Jason here is he is trending up, while Landry is trending down. Another thing to note is the much higher %AS rate for Jason, not sure if that would be considered a good thing as maybe his shots are more in the context of the offense?

And the one area where Landry has the definite advantage (Landry also averages about two more FTA a game):

                    At Rim
Player         Year M	A	FG%	%As
Jason Thompson 2010 2.8	4.6	61.0	57.8
Jason Thompson 2011 3.3	4.6	70.8	53.1
Jason Thompson 2012 3.5	5.3	65.8	59.7	
Jason Thompson 2013 3.0	4.7	62.5	61.7

                    At Rim
Player      Year M	A	FG%	%As
Carl Landry 2010 5.5	8.1	67.7	59.1	HOU
Carl Landry 2010 3.7	5.2	70.1	54.2    SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.3	4.4	75.2	46.1	SAC
Carl Landry 2011 3.3	4.3	76.9	62.0	NO
Carl Landry 2012 3.7	5.4	69.4	53.8	
Carl Landry 2013 4.1	5.8	70.8	66.7

I for one don't think it was worth letting Evans go nor our cap space going forward.

Much appreciated. I do not always have time to put together long stat comparisons.

 

[Gary]

Now that was an awesome fight between Silva and Weidman. Silva got what he deserved. War Weidman!

 

[Draft2007]

Excellent post '89 Kings Fan! I think your use of statistics show exactly how underrated JT is around here and how overrated Landry is. Not to mention I remember him being a black hole on offense last time he was here and I doubt that has changed much in 2 years. I hate this signing more and more!

 

[Entity]

This really is comical at this point. I'll just stop while I'm ahead.

you my friend are the one we are all laughing at. that is actual stats that you want giving the extra 5 min difference. works out to .1 more rebound. domination?? i think not

 

[kingwin]

Does everyone have selective reading here?

I already said Landry only makes sense if we have a JT/PPat deal in the works and are working on getting a defensive big to pair with Cousins.

im sorry i will look up every single post uve ever had to have a better undertstanding of how u truly feel..

 

[Entity]

at this point we should all defer to 89's post. Jamal take a nap

 

[The_Jamal]

Now actually if you had taken that stance and run with it you and I wouldn't be having yet another disagreement (and yes, in a fast moving thread I apparently missed where you mentioned this before).

That is my only explanation for this move. Maybe we are trying to use Jason or PPat to get Asik.

Yes sir. First few posts i made on this subject mentioned how I hoped we use Landry in a 6th man role like how he was with GS and that this move meant we already had talks going involving JT/Ppat/IT/Thornton to repair the holes on the team.

We should cherish this moment. We might not agree on something again until October

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Much appreciated. I do not always have time to put together long stat comparisons.

No problem. When a guy is on 4 teams in 4 years there is a reason, and it does play havoc with there stats. Trend lines I feel are more important then statistical blips.

 

[roasthawg]

Excellent post '89 Kings Fan! I think your use of statistics show exactly how underrated JT is around here and how overrated Landry is. Not to mention I remember him being a black hole on offense last time he was here and I doubt that has changed much in 2 years. I hate this signing more and more!

Two very similar players statistically speaking. Landry's .596% ts is very impressive though considering the rate at which he scores at... shouldn't be overlooked imo.

Hopefully the statistical analysis will dispell any doubts about whose move this was... this was Mike Malone getting his guy here, not PDA. Landry is gonna be asked to do things that aren't tracked in a box score. He's gonna be a locker room/practice guy and help transition to Malone's system. Doesn't mean JT is out either... if this is the style of player Malone wants next to Cousins then he now can be assured he'll always have one of the two guys on the floor.

No doubt other moves are coming... this is just one more piece to the puzzle!

 

[The_Jamal]

you my friend are the one we are all laughing at. that is actual stats that you want giving the extra 5 min difference. works out to .1 more rebound. domination?? i think not

Ok bud. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I bow to your prowess of ignoring everything I say and sticking to your guns.

 

[Entity]

can we absorb asik at this point. hold up. yes we could and still be well under the cap. question. looking as Asik's contract. could be a typo. but I am showing 5.2 mil this year and 14.8 mil next year. that can't be right can it? if so I might have to turn that down

Jeremy lin contract the same way. probably why Houston is trying to ship them off. that is what i call severely back loaded.

 

[sergmatt]

You'd have to assume the plan is to trade Patterson or Thompson.

It's pretty redundant having those two guys along with Landry. Having any 2 of the 3 is fine but I doubt the plan is to keep all 3.

The big question is can they package Patterson or Thompson with Jimmer and get a quality SF and/or defensive backup center like Asik. As part of that question I wonder if any teams around the league actually value Jimmer. His contract is attractive but so far his game not so much. Who knows maybe a team out there thinks they can turn him into a better version of J.J. Reddick.

 

[hrdboild]

PDA bashers trot out the expression "straw man argument" a lot.

Is this one?:

A) PDA has ruined the franchise and does not know what he is doing. I will burn myself with gasoline. Signing Landry is a franchise destroying move, the type that will haunt the team for decades. PDA is a stat nerd who is in over his head. There is a great deal to be worried about. He talks defense then goes out and hires Landry, destroying our path forward with napalm. This front office has destroyed in an hour what it took Petrie and the Maloofs 15 years to build. Losing Reke, pulling the Igoudala offer, accepting Grievis in the S&T, and signing Landry are all horrible moves. Not only does PDA not know the league, he does not know this team.

B) You guys are reacting crazy. Nothing has had time to develop. Reke is not as precious as Pelicans think - Iggy was not coming anyway - Grievis is better than nothing in return for Evans - Landry is a good locker room guy, a productive offensive player, a smart guy, and a known commodity as far as Coach Malone is concerned. It is insane to call for PDA's head on the basis of one week's work and a partially executed plan. He's almost certainly not done. Perhaps this is prelude to a trade for a Granger type and/or quality backup Center. You're missing the big picture and overreacting. You're lacking perspective, after all we almost lost the team to Seattle. Constant bashing every time PDA exhales is not fun why do you persist in the hysterics?

C) Oh, so nobody may ever criticize a PDA move? That is what message boards are for. You are saying that because Vivek saved the team, PDA may never be criticized for any moves he makes. That is illogical so you are crazy. You won't tolerate any critique of the GM and I'm not a sycophant so eff you.

What is that you think you're proving?

 

[Section 101]

You'd have to assume the plan is to trade Patterson or Thompson.

It's pretty redundant having those two guys along with Landry. Having any 2 of the 3 is fine but I doubt the plan is to keep all 3.

The big question is can they package Patterson or Thompson with Jimmer and get a quality SF and/or defensive backup center like Asik. As part of that question I wonder if any teams around the league actually value Jimmer. His contract is attractive but so far his game not so much. Who knows maybe a team out there thinks they can turn him into a better version of J.J. Reddick.

Think Hayes is the one they are trying to trade.

 

[roasthawg]

Think Hayes is the one they are trying to trade.

No doubt in my mind Hayes is the one they'd like to get rid of. Not sure if they'll be able to but don't think they want a big that plays that style of ball.

 

[Bricklayer]

Two very similar players statistically speaking. Landry's .596% ts is very impressive though considering the rate at which he scores at... shouldn't be overlooked imo.

Hopefully the statistical analysis will dispell any doubts about whose move this was... this was Mike Malone getting his guy here, not PDA. Landry is gonna be asked to do things that aren't tracked in a box score. He's gonna be a locker room/practice guy and help transition to Malone's system. Doesn't mean JT is out either... if this is the style of player Malone wants next to Cousins then he now can be assured he'll always have one of the two guys on the floor.

No doubt other moves are coming... this is just one more piece to the puzzle!

As I have mentioned several times -- we already did the Cuz/JT/Landry frontcourt. Not good.

But actually I will say this...what we did during that second half year was the Cuz/JT/Landry/Daly frontcourt. And that DID work. Well...actually what happened there was that Landry failed to keep up, and we dumped him and went to just Cuz/Daly/JT, which was out best frontcourt of the past half dozen years at least. Anyway, for half a season it was Cuz/JT/Landry/Daly, and who is still a free agent out there until he signs with Miami? None other than Daly...

 

[Entity]

ok i think it is another site shows 8mil and 8 mil. we could get asik and still be 3-4 mil under cap

 

[kingwin]

im surprised why we wont go after a shot blocker/interior defender, when malone was in GS they always tried to have one on the floor, to the point they would start ezeli...sigh

 

[kingwin]

ok i think it is another site shows 8mil and 8 mil. we could get asik and still be 3-4 mil under cap

is that with amnestying salmons??? i thought we only had like 4-5mil left after landry

 

[Entity]

Think Hayes is the one they are trying to trade.

not to beat a dead horse here but Atlanta has 1 big now in Horford. they will be looking for starters and backups here and can absorb alot of salary with Smith and pachula off the table. I don't know if they would any of our but I'd damn sure be on the phone. like hey how about a short good passing good post defending good attitude guy on your team down in atlanta. you don't even have to send anything back our way.

 

[Entity]

is that with amnestying salmons??? i thought we only had like 4-5mil left after landry

well that would be trading JT for Asik. so JT's 6 mil out Asik 8 mil in. I only put landry's first year at around 5 mil no true numbers on that yet. but to answer no salmons still here.