[Game] Kings @ Raptors 11/01/12

Cousins' fouls per game rate just went down. And, as a result, up goes the stats. He's a rebounding monster.
 
I'll give Reke some credit. Even though he had a bad shooting night, he still stepped up and made sure we won the game from the FT line. Last year at this point in the season, we would have lost this game.
 
Aenadin said:
one game.. IT obviously fresh legs and opp. team clearly hasnt had him scouted. Good game for IT i wouldnt jump on starting him yet... Let's see in a few more games if he is conssistently putting up solid contribution..
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Oh God, now we're talkign startgin him? I don't even want to read back in this thread. Will make for an interesting decision on who gets to be the 3rd guard when Thornton gets back though. Isiah has had much more impact than Jimmer in spurts.
 
If Smart can sell Thornton on being a 6th man of the year contending super sub, I think that would be GREAT for the team.
 
Bench production has not been great for the Kings. Thornton coming off the bench with a more balanced starting five would most likely be a net positive. I'd rather have Salmons benched, but we know he mentally quits if he doesn't start.
 
I would start Fredette as his confidence is shakey as it is. However, that doesn't mean Fredette get more minutes than IT. All of this changes if Thornton is OK.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Well what's your suggestions for SG then, because we CANT bench Marcus...and Salmons shouldn't even be allowed on the team plane, let alone play. So...I'm down with Donte at SF, but if you start Isaiah at PG and Reke at SG then your 20ppg SG is on the bench.
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Kind of the Manu Ginobili argument here. No one is to say he wont get starter minutes, or play in the more crucial times but he is an offensive sparkplug off the bench at that point which we really don't have right now. The problem is this is just a single good showing for a rookie pg - i dont think he's ready to take over facilitating the offense right now (IE: Feeding DMC). It'll play play out on it's own... But if it comes between IT and Jimmer currently I choose IT
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Why not? There's no rule that your five best players have to start. Ask Rick Carlisle if you don't believe me.
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True...I'm really trying hard to be open minded with our lineup as to find the best combo to produce more wins. Perhaps a bench of Thornton, Jimmer, Hickson, Garcia and JT(assuming Hayes starts again when healthy)but maybe that could work with a starting 5 of Thomas, Evans, Greene, Hayes and Cousins.
 
gunks said:
If Smart can sell Thornton on being a 6th man of the year contending super sub, I think that would be GREAT for the team.
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How about we just try the more obvious Reke/Thornton/Cousins trio with Thomas bringing spark off the bench for starters before hopping up and down and overreacting off of one game. We got a taste in Denver of what having a 5'8" sdtarting guard can do against the wrong matchups. Some guys are just built to be bench sparkplugs who come in and give you a shot in the arm.
 
They run plays...they can win games.....interesting...... they really did look good stayed calm there at the end too.
 
That was a great game for the Kings. I know it was just the Raptors but a road win is a road win and I was really impressed with they held the lead in the 4th quarter. They resembled something like an actual team tonight! Still quite a few bone head plays but all in all an improvement. Now if they can just keep it up. On a side note, Isaiah Thomas looks like the real deal. If he can play like that on a regular basis he may (and should) end up being the starting PG.
 
Bricklayer said:
How about we just try the more obvious Reke/Thornton/Cousins trio with Thomas bringing spark off the bench for starters before hopping up and down and overreacting off of one game. We got a taste in Denver of what having a 5'8" sdtarting guard can do against the wrong matchups. Some guys are just built to be bench sparkplugs who come in and give you a shot in the arm.
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You really beg for Capt Obvious.

The problem with Reke/Thronton/Cousins is that the first two guys ice out the third guy when the third guy is the best player and biggest matchup problem for the other team.
 
Smart gave a clue why he didn't play Cuz much in the 1st half yet played Reke incredible minutes. He is trying to get the guys into shape. Didn't Cuz play the entire 2nd half? I think Phil Jackson is the guy who said that guys need to know how to play when they are exhausted. Probably not a unique concept. In any case, Cuz looked good with no rest.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Salmons shouldn't be starting at SF, either.
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Much as I had given up on Donte, would like to see him more. He isn't helping his case much, but he is one guy who can play solid defense on the big, athletic SFs in the league, something that's been killing us. Hopefully, with more regular minutes, and a better defined role, he can find a rhythm.

As an aside, the SF position has lot of great players around the league right now. Bron, Malo, KD, GW, Gay, Deng, Iggy, Granger and even old war horses like Pierce and Odom. When we brought in Salmons, I had thought it was a good move, since he shall bring some veteran consistency with him. It might still happen, but so far, he's fared badly against the better ones. Greene has the size and athleticism to hang with the above guys. Wonder how he's doing at practices, since the coaching staff obviously doesn't seem to have a lot of faith in him.
 
Glenn said:
Smart gave a clue why he didn't play Cuz much in the 1st half yet played Reke incredible minutes. He is trying to get the guys into shape. Didn't Cuz play the entire 2nd half? I think Phil Jackson is the guy who said that guys need to know how to play when they are exhausted. Probably not a unique concept. In any case, Cuz looked good with no rest.
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I think, Brick might have been on to something. Smart might have held out Cousins in the 1st half so he wouldn't have many fouls, which would hopefully allow him to keep Cousins in the entire 2nd half, even if he picks up 3 more fouls like he did tonight. Could be to get him in shape as well.
 
Bricklayer said:
How about we just try the more obvious Reke/Thornton/Cousins trio with Thomas bringing spark off the bench for starters before hopping up and down and overreacting off of one game. We got a taste in Denver of what having a 5'8" sdtarting guard can do against the wrong matchups. Some guys are just built to be bench sparkplugs who come in and give you a shot in the arm.
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That trio has been a bit of a mess....But to be fair, a lot of that was probably Westphal.

We need more of a PGish guard to bring out the best in Cousins, not someone who will freeze him out and jack dumb shots. But hey, maybe Smart will instill a bit of brains/conscience in our two star gunners.

edit: swisshh, you beat me to it!
 
kingsfan101 said:
Much as I had given up on Donte, would like to see him more. He isn't helping his case much, but he is one guy who can play solid defense on the big, athletic SFs in the league, something that's been killing us. Hopefully, with more regular minutes, and a better defined role, he can find a rhythm.

As an aside, the SF position has lot of great players around the league right now. Bron, Malo, KD, GW, Gay, Deng, Iggy, Granger and even old war horses like Pierce and Odom. When we brought in Salmons, I had thought it was a good move, since he shall bring some veteran consistency with him. It might still happen, but so far, he's fared badly against the better ones. Greene has the size and athleticism to hang with the above guys. Wonder how he's doing at practices, since the coaching staff obviously doesn't seem to have a lot of faith in him.
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I don't know about that. They seemed to have enough faith in him tonight to play him the entire fourth quarter.
 
kingsfan101 said:
Much as I had given up on Donte, would like to see him more. He isn't helping his case much, but he is one guy who can play solid defense on the big, athletic SFs in the league, something that's been killing us. Hopefully, with more regular minutes, and a better defined role, he can find a rhythm.
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Greene is playing well with the minutes he's getting. I think on the last 2-3 games he has contributed better than the fish. Nothing against Salmons but I really hope the coaching staff would find a way to have the fish play as a back-up SG to Thornton. IMO, Salmons is still a good player when he plays as SG coz he's really a SG. He played good minutes in Sac when he was a SG and Artest was the SF. Same with Chicago where he plays SG and Deng as SF.
 
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