Kings Playoff Standings Watch!!!

kingdivac said:
I don't need to love my home team to hate another team, though it certainly amplifies H-2-H games when both conditions are present..
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Well, Kings are not my home team. My "home" team is Warriors. Moved to US from India in 99, and to CA in 2000. Started following NBA around then. Fell in love with the team due to their style of play. Unable to switch to Warriors despite their success, and lack of ours, and them being my "home" team. I guess that's what being a fan means. You stick through thick and thin.
 
Kings Playoff Tracker

Note that teams are listed in order of the Kings' magic number, which is affected by tiebreakers, so the order may be slightly different than the order in the actual standings. Eliminated teams will be removed from the tracker after one day.

Please note that the best conference win% tiebreaker may be pre-empted by division standings, because division winners get the second tiebreaker over non-division winners.

Today's games (7):
Knicks def. DEN
Magic def. LAC
Raptors def. MIN
SAC def. Wizards
MEM def. GSW
UTA def. Celtics


Magic Number To Eliminate (TB=TieBreaker):
DEN (47-24) 16, 11 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
SAC (43-27) --, 12 games remaining
MEM (43-27) 13, 12 games remaining, TB 2-2 (Kings get TB unless Grizz win division and Kings don't)
PHX (38-32) 8, 12 games remaining, TB 1-2 (best division win% gets TB if tied)
LAC (37-34) 5, 11 games remaining, TB=Kings
DAL (36-35) 5, 11 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
--- Playoffs ---
GSW (36-36) 4, 10 games remaining, TB 1-2, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
UTA (34-36) 4, 12 games remaining, TB 2-0, 2 to play (best conference win% gets TB if tied)
OKC (34-36) 3, 12 games remaining, TB=Kings
MIN (35-37) 3, 11 games remaining, TB=T'Wolves
--- Play-In Games ---
NOP (33-37) 3, 12 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
LAL (34-37) 2, 11 games remaining, TB=Kings
POR (31-39) 1, 12 games remaining, TB=Blazers


Tomorrow's games (7):
DEN at Nets, 12:30 PM
PHX at OKC, 12:30 PM
NOP at Rockets, 4 PM
LAC at POR, 6 PM - Blazers will finish below the Kings with a loss
Magic at LAL, 6:30 PM
 
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Catching Denver with so few games left still feels like a longshot, but every win helps! Also noteworthy: The Kings are now the only team in the Western Conference with a winning record on the road. They're +9 games on the road (22-13) and the next closest team is the Clippers who are 18-18.
 
hrdboild said:
Catching Denver with so few games left still feels like a longshot, but every win helps! Also noteworthy: The Kings are now the only team in the Western Conference with a winning record on the road. They're +9 games on the road (22-13) and the next closest team is the Clippers who are 18-18.
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Its even better than that they are now better on the road than at home - certainly a statistical anomaly (may or may not hold. Only the Knicks can claim the same in the league....
 
A related and relevant observation to road record and playoff seeding, the Grizz are 14-22 on the road, not too shabby, but not great. Consider, they finish the season with 3 road games @ NOP @MIL @ OKC, and with good fortune BOS or PHIL will be pushing the Bucks, and NOP and OKC will be fighting for play-ins......plausible.
 
We are three games back of Denver in the loss column, which means we control our destiny for being two games back. Sparing you the details, we are essentially two games out of being the #1 seed in the West. Folks I don't care who you are you would have had to be on some extremelely expensive substances to even dream of this as a possibility this last offseason.

What a season.
 
hrdboild said:
Catching Denver with so few games left still feels like a longshot, but every win helps! Also noteworthy: The Kings are now the only team in the Western Conference with a winning record on the road. They're +9 games on the road (22-13) and the next closest team is the Clippers who are 18-18.
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It's completely doable. Think of us as two games back with twelve to go. 100% doable - and they're on a slide. I could easily see us being one game back going into the last game of the year.
 
The_Jamal said:
Pretty amazing how basically every West team post-break has had a period where they've absolutely crumbled...outside of us. We've gotten stronger and are playing our best hoops of the season.
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It’s as though skipping out on a roster-altering splashy blockbuster trade to please Twitter and ESPN talking heads at the deadline, and not messing up team chemistry was the right move after all.
 
Löwenherz said:
It’s as though skipping out on a roster-altering splashy blockbuster trade to please Twitter and ESPN talking heads at the deadline, and not messing up team chemistry was the right move after all.
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To be fair, a lot of us here were looking at bench moves potentially for a back up big man spot and moving Holmes. I wasn’t expecting, or hoping, for a big time move.
 
The_Jamal said:
Pretty amazing how basically every West team post-break has had a period where they've absolutely crumbled...outside of us. We've gotten stronger and are playing our best hoops of the season.
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Taking a second look at them, I'm not really fearing the Warriors anymore. They started out 18-2 last year and still won 53 games in the regular season and had the #1 defense. Making a finals run shouldn't have been out of the question. This year, aging core, no OPJ, Wiggins and GPII not healthy, Poole regressing.

And most importantly, I think the Draymond punch may have ruined their chemistry, which is why they're so abysmal on the road.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Kings Playoff Tracker

Note that teams are listed in order of the Kings' magic number, which is affected by tiebreakers, so the order may be slightly different than the order in the actual standings. Eliminated teams will be removed from the tracker after one day.

Please note that the best conference win% tiebreaker may be pre-empted by division standings, because division winners get the second tiebreaker over non-division winners.

Today's games (7):
Knicks def. DEN
Magic def. LAC
Raptors def. MIN
SAC def. Wizards
MEM def. GSW
Celtics at UTA, 6 PM - Will update later this evening


Magic Number To Eliminate (TB=TieBreaker):
DEN (47-24) 16, 11 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
SAC (43-27) --, 12 games remaining
MEM (43-27) 13, 12 games remaining, TB 2-2 (Kings get TB unless Grizz win division and Kings don't)
PHX (38-32) 8, 12 games remaining, TB=Suns
LAC (37-34) 5, 11 games remaining, TB=Kings
DAL (36-35) 5, 11 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
--- Playoffs ---
GSW (36-36) 4, 10 games remaining, TB 1-2, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
UTA (33-36) 4, 13 games remaining, TB 2-0, 2 to play (best conference win% gets TB if tied)
OKC (34-36) 3, 12 games remaining, TB=Kings
MIN (35-37) 3, 11 games remaining, TB=T'Wolves
--- Play-In Games ---
NOP (33-37) 3, 12 games remaining, TB 1-1, 1 to play (winner gets TB)
LAL (34-37) 2, 11 games remaining, TB=Kings
POR (31-39) 1, 12 games remaining, TB=Blazers


Tomorrow's games (7):
DEN at Nets, 12:30 PM
PHX at OKC, 12:30 PM
NOP at Rockets, 4 PM
LAC at POR, 6 PM - Blazers will finish below the Kings with a loss
Magic at LAL, 6:30 PM
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Can you add 6th place magic number lock? - looks like 6 games now
 
And if the above happens (from my post above) and the KINGS go from 16 years out of the postseason, including several years of the top 10 getting a play-in opportunity, to #1 seed in the West with home court throughout — the absolute and correct thing would be to announce Domas AND Swipa as “co-MVP’s“ of the league.

Jokic would have played himself out of consideration at that point, and IDC about Giannis or Embiid. Neither will have done anything to outdo what the Fox and Ox have accomplished in SAC this season.

I know that won’t happen, but it should.

Then add Mike Brown as “COTY”, Monk as “6th man”, and Fox as ”Clutch POTY” then all will be right in the NBA.
 
Vinny Basketballerino said:
It's completely doable. Think of us as two games back with twelve to go. 100% doable - and they're on a slide. I could easily see us being one game back going into the last game of the year.
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We just need to take this one game at a time. Things are trending that way but even so, if we go 9-3 the rest of the way we'll completely flip our record from last year and end the season 52-30. All Denver has to do to get to 53 wins is go 6-5. I just don't want people getting disappointed if something highly improbable doesn't happen. It's going to take everything we've got to hold off Memphis for the #2 seed and then we go to the playoffs where every game will be the toughest game of the season.

I'm already proud of this team. They're learning what it takes to win. For some reason the clouds have parted and the rest of the usually dominant Western Conference has slid into disarray this season. That opens up a tremendous opportunity to take this ride even further but we all know there's still a lot our Kings could be doing better. We just have to focus on playing our best and not really worry about anyone else except the team we're facing each game.
 
The Effort Police said:
Taking a second look at them, I'm not really fearing the Warriors anymore. They started out 18-2 last year and still won 53 games in the regular season and had the #1 defense. Making a finals run shouldn't have been out of the question. This year, aging core, no OPJ, Wiggins and GPII not healthy, Poole regressing.

And most importantly, I think the Draymond punch may have ruined their chemistry, which is why they're so abysmal on the road.
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I still fear a healthy PHX and a series vs DEN might have the most points every scored in a playoff series with how good each offense is. But everyone else? I think we *should* be favored to beat. We just score too many damn points. Like we were not good defensively for most of the game tonight, but we almost always find like a 5-6 minutes window where we lock up and it honestly just doesn't matter because we're so freaking good offensively. No Huerter, No Lyles, Fox was bad and we still blow out WAS on the road.

A Playoff series vs Steph is never going to be easy, but I think father time finally caught up to these Warriors. Klay and Dray just aren't quite as good as they used to be, as you pointed out, they lost almost all of their defensive rotation players that made them the #1 defense and it's looking like they might regret that massive Jordan Poole extension. He's good, but he's not a cornerstone player you can build a team around. There's only so much 34 year old Steph with all that mileage on him can do by himself at this stage in his career.
 
Sac.Kings said:
To be fair, a lot of us here were looking at bench moves potentially for a back up big man spot and moving Holmes. I wasn’t expecting, or hoping, for a big time move.
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I didn't want to mess with anything at all.. Even getting rid of Holmes could have screwed the chemistry up, at least for a few games. Holmes is a really nice guy, and I am sure he's close friends with some of his teammates.

Not sure why we don't use him. The year they let him shoot 3s he didn't do that bad at all. I think Holmes is a better scorer and rebounder than Lyles so I am not sure if it's a personal thing why he's not playing. Same with TD. He's better than Mitchell so I am not sure why he's not getting time over Mitchell.

Anyway, the time for this team to make moves is in the off season. I would 100% keep Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Lyles, Metu, Mitchell and Huerter. If we could only keep 7 players I would probably go with Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Huerter and Lyles. If I had to pick three I would pick Monk, Fox and Sabonis.

If I had to rank the players I would keep it would go like this..
1. Sabonis
2. Fox
3. Barnes
4. Monk
5. Huerter
6. Murray
7. Lyles
8. Metu
9. Mitchell
10. TD


EDIT: Our magic number to make the playoffs as a top 6 seed and not have to do the playin is 6..
 
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hrdboild said:
We just need to take this one game at a time. Things are trending that way but even so, if we go 9-3 the rest of the way we'll completely flip our record from last year and end the season 52-30. All Denver has to do to get to 53 wins is go 6-5. I just don't want people getting disappointed if something highly improbable doesn't happen. It's going to take everything we've got to hold off Memphis for the #2 seed and then we go to the playoffs where every game will be the toughest game of the season.

I'm already proud of this team. They're learning what it takes to win. For some reason the clouds have parted and the rest of the usually dominant Western Conference has slid into disarray this season. That opens up a tremendous opportunity to take this ride even further but we all know there's still a lot our Kings could be doing better. We just have to focus on playing our best and not really worry about anyone else except the team we're facing each game.
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But that's not quite the full picture.

Because of that last game... if we go 8-3 over the next 11, and denver goes 6-4, we win that last game and we're in.

It's very doable to go 8-3. Hard, but doable. We've been through the toughest stretch of the post allstar schedule, in which we've just gone 11-2. Let's finish off this road trip well and then we're talking.

8-3 to Denver's 6-4. Let's take care of business. And then take care of business.
 
Vinny Basketballerino said:
But that's not quite the full picture.

Because of that last game... if we go 8-3 over the next 11, and denver goes 6-4, we win that last game and we're in.

It's very doable to go 8-3. Hard, but doable. We've been through the toughest stretch of the post allstar schedule, in which we've just gone 11-2. Let's finish off this road trip well and then we're talking.

8-3 to Denver's 6-4. Let's take care of business. And then take care of business.
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Denver would have to go 5-5 to our 8-3 before the final game -- 6 more wins would put them at 53 and the tie-breaker would be irrelevant.

I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it likely won't. I'm the chief #1 homer when it comes to predicting Kings wins which is why I don't bet on games. I believe we can win every game left on our schedule. But just looking at the numbers, 50 wins is on pace with how we've played so far this season. 52 wins is on pace for continuing this torrid post-All Star run the team is currently on. Even with that most optimistic of projections, Denver has to continue to fall on their face to give up the #1 seed.

I'll be on cloud nine if that happens but I would be just as elated with 52 wins and a boatload of confidence going into the first round of the playoffs and let Denver worry about Denver. It still hasn't completely hit me yet how thoroughly awesome hosting game 1 of the playoffs AT HOME is going to be after the interminable suck that has swallowed up the last 16 seasons. I know it will be awesome but the level of awesome it will be might not exist yet in my imagination. I can't wait! :cool:
 
See_Hanks said:
I didn't want to mess with anything at all.. Even getting rid of Holmes could have screwed the chemistry up, at least for a few games. Holmes is a really nice guy, and I am sure he's close friends with some of his teammates.

Not sure why we don't use him. The year they let him shoot 3s he didn't do that bad at all. I think Holmes is a better scorer and rebounder than Lyles so I am not sure if it's a personal thing why he's not playing. Same with TD. He's better than Mitchell so I am not sure why he's not getting time over Mitchell.

Anyway, the time for this team to make moves is in the off season. I would 100% keep Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Lyles, Metu, Mitchell and Huerter. If we could only keep 7 players I would probably go with Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Huerter and Lyles. If I had to pick three I would pick Monk, Fox and Sabonis.

If I had to rank the players I would keep it would go like this..
1. Sabonis
2. Fox
3. Barnes
4. Monk
5. Huerter
6. Murray
7. Lyles
8. Metu
9. Mitchell
10. TD


EDIT: Our magic number to make the playoffs as a top 6 seed and not have to do the playin is 6..
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What, no Edwards?

I also don’t understand Holmes’ usage. Sandwiched a 16/11 start in a win on the road against the Lakers and earning the DPOG chain, between DNP-CDs.
 
See_Hanks said:
I didn't want to mess with anything at all.. Even getting rid of Holmes could have screwed the chemistry up, at least for a few games. Holmes is a really nice guy, and I am sure he's close friends with some of his teammates.

Not sure why we don't use him. The year they let him shoot 3s he didn't do that bad at all. I think Holmes is a better scorer and rebounder than Lyles so I am not sure if it's a personal thing why he's not playing. Same with TD. He's better than Mitchell so I am not sure why he's not getting time over Mitchell.

Anyway, the time for this team to make moves is in the off season. I would 100% keep Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Lyles, Metu, Mitchell and Huerter. If we could only keep 7 players I would probably go with Barnes, Sabonis, Fox, Murray, Monk, Huerter and Lyles. If I had to pick three I would pick Monk, Fox and Sabonis.

If I had to rank the players I would keep it would go like this..
1. Sabonis
2. Fox
3. Barnes
4. Monk
5. Huerter
6. Murray
7. Lyles
8. Metu
9. Mitchell
10. TD


EDIT: Our magic number to make the playoffs as a top 6 seed and not have to do the playin is 6..
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Holmes has probably requested a trade as he probably feels he earned a starting role, but suddenly found himself out of the rotation. We probably have tried to honor his request, but couldn't find a trade partner for him before the trade deadline. I value Metu less than you do. In my mind, he is below TD and we only play him now because we have to. I think his defense is a huge net negative and if he isn't doing anything on offense, he is close to useless.

I generally agree with your list, but you did forget about Kessler. I'd probably slot Kessler somewhere around 7-8, with the potential of moving up that list. We should try to get something of value for Holmes, as he is a solid big man on the right team. No point in paying a guy a bunch of money to not play at all. I strongly suspect he will be gone in the offseason. I also like Barnes and I hope he agrees to a team friendly deal; he is really good at knowing his role and has the type of game that should age well.
 
Vinny Basketballerino said:
But that's not quite the full picture.

Because of that last game... if we go 8-3 over the next 11, and denver goes 6-4, we win that last game and we're in.

It's very doable to go 8-3. Hard, but doable. We've been through the toughest stretch of the post allstar schedule, in which we've just gone 11-2. Let's finish off this road trip well and then we're talking.

8-3 to Denver's 6-4. Let's take care of business. And then take care of business.
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The Jazz beat the Celtics at home today, and the Kings twice nipped the Jazz, but was down to the wire.. I expect another very close game which the Kings have been stellar at since All Star break.
 
Sac.Kings said:
Holmes has probably requested a trade as he probably feels he earned a starting role, but suddenly found himself out of the rotation. We probably have tried to honor his request, but couldn't find a trade partner for him before the trade deadline. I value Metu less than you do. In my mind, he is below TD and we only play him now because we have to. I think his defense is a huge net negative and if he isn't doing anything on offense, he is close to useless.

I generally agree with your list, but you did forget about Kessler. I'd probably slot Kessler somewhere around 7-8, with the potential of moving up that list. We should try to get something of value for Holmes, as he is a solid big man on the right team. No point in paying a guy a bunch of money to not play at all. I strongly suspect he will be gone in the offseason. I also like Barnes and I hope he agrees to a team friendly deal; he is really good at knowing his role and has the type of game that should age well.
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Metu has shown flashes of defense , but too inconsistent. He has pretty good jump shot for his size. However he's pretty soft inside on defense. I think he can work on getting better on defense. which is more will-power driven. Would like to see Holmes get some minutes to spell Sabonis or Murray. I think he could work well with Monk on the pick-and-pop/roll. who likes playing that game. Holmes could probably move better without the ball.
 
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