6+Brissett+Jackson+Cavs 2023 pick would be real real spicy
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6+Brissett+Jackson+Cavs 2023 pick would be real real spicy
Ohhhhhh nooooooo. I sure wouldn't want the Pacers and Pistons to get in a bidding way over the 4 pick. Pleassseeeee nooooooooo
If OKC wants Ivey, they'll leverage assets out of us and draft him at 4. I think with the Wood trade, HOU tipped their hand they're taking one of the bigs to pair with Sengun and cleared out that playing time. Just a matter of what price we'll pay.
tyguy
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Houston 100 % wont take Ivey. Jalen Green is probably the best comparison I have for Ivey and I wasn't a fan of Green as a prospect either.
Kingster
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OKC has so many draft picks they won't be able to draft all of them over the next couple of years because they are limited by the NBA's roster limitation. I would think they would be more than willing to give up multiple picks for the player they want. In fact, they probably are saying in negotiations, "Please, pretty please take our picks."
https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/draf...sive-guide-to-the-thunders-future-draft-picks
iowamcnabb
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Nunez, who will lose his mind if we pass on Ivey at 4 said something on the podcast last night I agreed with. If you draft Ivey can you maximize Fox and Jaden’s talent as a duo? To me the answer is no. The “figure it out later” then comes down to two options: groom Ivey to replace Fox and trade Swipa or develop Ivey and trade him as part of a bigger deal next off season or at the deadline.
It does put them in position to get real creative with pick swaps but it's hard for me to see them wanting good players coming back this year when I am pretty sure they are going to tank again this season.
Or you just trade Ivey as part of a draft night deal after the pick or during FA as part of a sign and trade deal. At this point I think he'll have a Kings hat on for at least 5 minutes unless he goes top 3.
captain bill
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Also having a mountain of 1st round picks doesn’t mean much when they’re all lotto protected. Only teams in the market for those will be the ones they got the picks from in the first place, and they’ll be competing against teams giving up late picks for 2nd rounders and salary dumps
In theory say there was a bad team like the Kings/Det/Indy that wanted to move to 2 for 4/5/6, they could say we'll throw in 12 if you give us your 2023 unprotected since otherwise you would assume a 2023 pick would be at minimum top 4 protected.
If Ivey can shoot then I think they'll work together better than Fox and Hali because Ivey isn't as ball dominant but I don't see it quite working out.
Either way if both can put up numbers, then one can be flipped for a better fitting piece. I'll take a valuable ill fitting draft pick over a role playing fit any day because you always have the option to make a Sabonis type trade or get multiple role players in return.
tyguy
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He's a good catch and shoot player and cuts well off the ball. For him to have a big time offensive impact I do believe he will have to dominate the ball though.
macadocious
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You have to understand, that the pick is never as valuable as it is just before the pick is made. The only exception is a breakout high level all-star player. But then you probably arent trading that player.
SacTownKid
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Too bad they don't have one. They have a for sale redundant often injured PG in Brogdon though.
SacTownKid
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Yes, yes you can. If Walton wasn't, well, Luke Walton a coach could have easily figured out how to use Fox and Haliburton more effectively. You keep the ball in the stars hands (Fox) and have the better shooter (Hali) play off of him. In typical Luke fashion he did the exact opposite. In the end it worked out but only because Monte cut his coach and then cut bait on the 3 PG build. Ivey fits, especially with Sabonis. To me, drafting Ivey is much more about how good it would be for Domas as it is relative to any potential crossover between Ivey and Fox. The absolute best fits for Domas are Holmgren and Ivey because they are already familiar with the exact sets they run through Domas.
SacTownKid
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Yeah, they've gone overboard. 1 top 5 pick is better than a million 20 or deeper picks. I would imagine those picks are going to be used as sign and trade incentives to get teams to go away with their summer of cap coming up in a year or two.
Well, I would suggest that most (if not all) of their 8 protected picks are likely to convey eventually as FRPs. The two Rockets FRPs (only 1-4 protected) are the only protected picks that have a decent chance of being outstanding (say, top-10) picks but of those 8 picks (Denver, Detroit, Washington, Houston, Utah, Miami, Philly, Houston), the Thunder probably get at least 6 as FRPs (could easily get 8 of 8), and maybe only the Miami and Philly picks are at any real risk of being worse than early 20s (though obviously various teams' fortunes can change between now and 2027).
There's not a package in those 8 that I wouldn't consider an asset, and I would give up, say a Philly unprotected 2023 FRP (i.e. the one owned by Brooklyn) for any of those 8 packages straight up.
SacTownKid
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And Ivey is a true attack player. Haliburton is going to need the ball because once a double comes, or pressure, or a deep switch his instinct is to either swing pass or step back. He doesn't have that same ability to drive at teams and be a triple threat menace like Ivey projects to be. And with Fox and Domas where Ivey lacks in passing ability he can just do what he did at Purdue until those skills develop since there is plenty of playmaking with those two. With Ivey next to Domas I can see him getting into that 7-8 apg tier just off of back cuts.
SacTownKid
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It depends on how long you wait. Teams, GM's, and coaches are going gaga over this kid. That's been revealed now. With where the Kings sit, they'll KNOW where they're at by the deadline. IF a potential blockbuster becomes available, the Kings dishing out a plate of goodies highlighted by Davion/Ivey/picks probably beats other offers.
tyguy
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Not wanting to give medical is the first sign of a rare disease that only one player in the drafts history had?
SacTownKid
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And is literally tied in a blurb to his team attempting to direct him to Sacrame.... ahem, I mean a specific team. Now, with any condition severity matters and I'm sure more than a few players have played with a variety of conditions and it didn't matter. They've clearly let players with acromegaly play. Chet has been around in this pro circuit for a long time, if he had a potentially life threatening condition, someone knows. If there is any indication of such then he'll drop for sure on draft night like a stone and if cleared, someone will get the score of a lifetime.
For the record, I had the MD I train the case with look him up today and he immediately thought he looked like the text book example photo. So I'm not talking out of bounds here or the first/only person to think it. And it's rare so typically nobody tests for it until a heart arrhythmia appears and then other more common disorders are ruled out. It's typically not diagnosed until early adulthood.
SacTownKid
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People have speculated the same thing for awhile, it could be true, and might not even disqualify him from playing pro ball anyway. You can look at a lot of basketball players and see many of the same physical traits maybe with his skinny frame being an extreme. With Austin popping a few years ago you ain't getting away from not getting checked in some form or fashion at this point. Austin eventually even played overseas for a few years. If he were a top 4 pick potential star he'd probably would have made it back to the NBA with contractual provisions.
I agree - but if he is refusing or hiding the NBA heart test (I don't even understand how that is possible, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt) you can't pick him. I was in Boston for Reggie Lewis I don't ever want to see that happen to anyone, let alone a team I follow. And yet I can understand why a player who is a surefire top NBA pick would avoid the test until the day after he signs his first contract, if he can get away with it.
I've been saying all along that the moment I know he passes an NBA physical my reservations about Chet will be sliced in half, I had assumed that he got out of the combine without any horrifying news meant that was the case, but here we are.
tyguy
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I’m sorry, but it’s ridiculous to assume someone has a very rare disease because they haven’t released their medicals.
There are signs other than being tall and skinny for this rare disease. People with marfan syndrome also have very poor eyesight and generally are extremely unathletic.
There are signs other than being tall and skinny for this rare disease. People with marfan syndrome also have very poor eyesight and generally are extremely unathletic.
...and yet you could largely rule it out with a clean heart exam...
Or perhaps to be more clear: Holmgren's body phenotype suggests that he may be at a much higher risk for heart issues than the general populace. Heart issues in an NBA basketball player are very serious and are likely to result in forced medical retirement. Holmgren is reported to have skipped the NBA heart exam (is this true?). This leads to the obvious speculation that Holmgren may be aware of or concerned about potential heart issues that (if present) he hopes are not disclosed until he gets a big wad of guaranteed money. Holmgren is also an incredibly talented two-way player at a critical position who is likely to be at worst a top-4 player in the draft if he is healthy.
Knowing all this, do you spend a top-4 draft pick on him if you DON'T have his medicals?
Let's just call you Capt. Eloquent.
SacTownKid
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I highly doubt he sets foot at the U19's without getting checked from top to bottom unless they are trying to scam some type of insurance payment out of this. No way does he hit the floor without a clean bill on his heart. Remember the Chuck Hayes fiasco? Jeff Green? Turiaf?
How reliable is Kennedy. The report is he did not do the heart exam. How is that even possible? I don't know.
"I also heard Chet Holmgren has not provided his medical information to teams (at least most of them), and did not do the NBA's heart screening. That could suggest that his agents are trying to manipulate the draft and direct him to a specific spot." https://t.co/UrxjTaRQno
— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) June 16, 2022
but as I've been trying to say, and Cap said very eloquently - if you know you are about to make millions, but one stupid test could screw it all up, if you could opt out of the test, you would, right? Same reason Sharpe won't work out against people instead of dunking over chairs. Except a little more life and death.
On a lesser note, let's say you have a child with a mild illness that isn't life threatening, but would make getting insurance more costly if diagnosed. Would you get it diagnosed or just roll the dice that you can treat it holistically?
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