Kings Offer Contract to George Karl

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Honestly I feel like the deal has been done since Bruski said there would be a change during the AS break.

Ever since then it has just been the media putting as much spin on every tiny grain of info they have gotten.
As far as the relevance of Bruski, yes and no and not sure of his relevance.

In terms of the media, yup. You have "ten" sources all parroting themselves but trying to separate themselves from the others yet all relying on the same shard of evidence whose validity is unknown.
 
We all know it's going to happen during the AS break. CD already dropped it. Corbin will coach the final two games before the break and then Karl will be ready to go after... Wouldn't surprise me if the deal didn't get announced until then...

Corbin has really been a true professional in this no-win situation, coaching out games when you know you will be replaced.

I really hope the Kings keep him in some capacity, either assistant coach or scout or something. Corbin has been a real class act and really deserves better and he has really done his best in a tough situation like this.

If the FO and new coach Karl has some class, they should let Corbin stick around in some capacity, either assistant coach, scout, or front office gig.
 
Corbin has really been a true professional in this no-win situation, coaching out games when you know you will be replaced.

I really hope the Kings keep him in some capacity, either assistant coach or scout or something. Corbin has been a real class act and really deserves better and he has really done his best in a tough situation like this.

If the FO and new coach Karl has some class, they should let Corbin stick around in some capacity, either assistant coach, scout, or front office gig.
It could easily be argued the classy thing to do would be to fulfill Corbin's contract for the rest of the season, and send him home.

Release him from this insanity.
 
It could easily be argued the classy thing to do would be to fulfill Corbin's contract for the rest of the season, and send him home.

Release him from this insanity.

Could you imagine being told you've been fired from your job, but we need you to stick around until the new guy is ready to start? Brutal. Let Ty go home.
 
I can confirm this all. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw PDA at 31 Flavors last night, and apparently PDA told the kid behind the counter that Vivek texted his friend about the mess Cousins is making out of all of this. I guess it's pretty serious. I would bet there is a 50% chance that this might blow up, and that if it does it will probably be because of things that Cuz may have said to his agent that were then possibly reported to management. Take THAT to the bank.

Bueller?
 
meh... Ty is being paid handsomely - I don't think it is all that noble what he's done.

Lets see if he takes a tech to support his team in these last two games. If he does - my hat is off to him. But to me it has seemed like he's pretty much mailed it in to be honest.
 
Honestly I feel like the deal has been done since Bruski said there would be a change during the AS break.

Ever since then it has just been the media putting as much spin on every tiny grain of info they have gotten.

I think we're seeing Orlando force our hand.

I think the Kings were willing to wait til the offseason to take the lay of the land and see if any other good coaches became available. Whether or not Karl would actually go to the magic, it's a threat you have to take seriously.

They were probably willing to do a wait-and-see with Corbin. This (sort of) makes sense if they thought he could do okay, or at least wanted to give him a shot.

In a weird way, this train wreck actually makes it more palatable to wait: 1- the pick (even if they didn't intend to tank, it doesn't make sense to make a desperation move in a lost season when your key guys are on long-term contracts); and 2- a prolonged disaster in some ways makes this job MORE intriguing- ie, Malone showed early season that the talent is there, while Corbin shows how key coaching is.

For a good coach looking to cement a legacy (like Karl), doesn't this job look more attractive now? Any coach who comes in and wins with this team is gonna look that much better compared to how awful the squad is now (similar to why Harbaugh went to SF - if you see a talented team facing dysfunction, that's a HUGE opportunity for good and confident coaches).

Reacting and moving now is a good thing, instead of sitting on your hands and waiting and hoping and risking getting burned later.

I still have no trust in the FO, but if they sign Karl over the ASG, they will have played out this situation well. Not well enough to believe in them, but just good enough to cut them some slack and see what they do over the next year.
 
If they're smart, part of Karl's job would be to groom his successor.

Hopefully that's already been discussed. Karl can't be here forever, and his health will remain a ? So I would hope a succession plan is in place ASAP. Of course, that would have to wait till the offseason for Karl to hire assistants. But he better be hiring with finding an eventual head coach in mind. And not in the way the FO tried to sneak in Gentry to replace Malone, but a guy Karl mentors.

But we don't know what Karl is thinking as far as his time commitment. That would also require everyone on the same page, and that's a bit far fetched. Karl may be thinking he's going to ride Boogie to the coaching wins record. And then put it out of reach. I'm not sure of the exact number he needs.

But that's a way to have stability when hiring an older coach.

63 though isn't that old. He could have a decade left. But there's no guarantees.

Hubie Brown won coach of the year at age 70.

I mostly agree, but it's always a risk believing that a great HC can groom assistants to be great coaches themselves. A strong coach knows his system and hires guys who do their jobs well within the system, not necessarily big-picture guys who can take the reigns themselves.

The person who I hope learns from Karl is Vivek. He needs to spend time with a great and experienced basketball mind in order to understand his role as an owner. If he figures out that less is more as an owner, we might be okay. But that's several years away.

Right now, we have the building blocks for a contender. If GK wins a chip for us, that's good enough for me to die a happy Kings fan.
 
Corbin has really been a true professional in this no-win situation, coaching out games when you know you will be replaced.



If the FO and new coach Karl has some class, they should let Corbin stick around in some capacity, either assistant coach, scout, or front office gig.
Give Corbin a little credit. It hasn't been a no-win situation....he's gotten at least 2 or 3 wins.
 
meh... Ty is being paid handsomely - I don't think it is all that noble what he's done.

Lets see if he takes a tech to support his team in these last two games. If he does - my hat is off to him. But to me it has seemed like he's pretty much mailed it in to be honest.
Perhaps not noble. Indeed, he's not working for free, but how many guys have ever had the displeasure of trying to replace a popular coach Midseason?

He had no chance.

Karl isn't going to have an easy road either. He's got the three top players all feeling betrayed and reacting in various ways (Rudy quit, Demarcus is angry, DC has been boring steady).

How does anyone in management rinse this stink off? I think trades. I think some of these guys are just broken now.

Rudy might be one of them. But he's untradeable as yet. I could certainly see Dwill, Casspi, Hollins, Sessions, Evans etc being moved ASAP. I think the whole bench will be very diff next year, if not next week.
 
Could you imagine being told you've been fired from your job, but we need you to stick around until the new guy is ready to start? Brutal. Let Ty go home.

That is another screw up by the FO. If they would have left the interim coach tag on Corbin, they gave themselves some wiggle room. They just look incompetent by removing the interim tag in the first place.
 
It's just compounding, to cover up one lie you have to make three more lies, then three more for each of those. They will never admit that firing Malone was a mistake, but getting Karl as a result is an excellent ending to the story, a good place to start over. It may have been a bad road taken, but the destination is something I think we all hoped for. Now we have to hope that this meddling owner of ours gets out of the way because Karl is not going to deal with any of that. If Ranadive thinks Malone was insubordinate at times, just wait and see what Karl gives him.
 
I just want this FO to pick a lie and stick to it. Circle the wagons - get the leaks consistent. Is that really too much to ask?
You're implying that the FO is leaking all this information and that these guys aren't just making it up. Remember the LeBron debacle over the summer? Every 5 minutes was some hack writer saying "Sources tell me x,y, and z." None of them knew jack about it.
 
That is another screw up by the FO. If they would have left the interim coach tag on Corbin, they gave themselves some wiggle room. They just look incompetent by removing the interim tag in the first place.

I agree. 'Interim' has an asterisk feel to the label. The front office thought they had their true HC and that the team had the talent to pick it up with Corbin.
 
That is another screw up by the FO. If they would have left the interim coach tag on Corbin, they gave themselves some wiggle room. They just look incompetent by removing the interim tag in the first place.

They gave him a new contract and paid him probably twice as much as would have otherwise made with his assistant deal. At least they paid the guy to be a difficult situation. Corbin is not naive....he signed the new contract
 
What if you asked them to pick the truth and stick with it? LOL :D
I'm a realist. Whatever tale they craft is going to be at least 75% bullpace. I accept that. I just don't like a wide variety of bullpace leaks.

I believe the truth is that Vivek & Mastrov wanted to tank. Vivek fired Malone because partly he is dumb and partly he was manipulated by Mullin. Pete played along - he would not fire Malone on his own but didn't mind much following that order.

But tanking hurt the fanbase and his image more than he could tolerate. So he nuzzled Leslie, told Pda to go get Karl, and he is bummed because he really did want to find a younger warriors assistant coach in the off-season but has been defeated by the torch carrying mob and pushed to hire Karl by co-owners who don't fancy going broke.

PDA is a good corporate warrior and is taking the blame for Vivek as part of his job description.

DMC has nothing to do with any of it and is being cynically used by the brain trust here for reasons I can't comprehend.

Ok.... Do you think the official story will resemble this by even 25%??
 
Is it even possible that the whole cousin's camp thing is made up by Amick who is obviously doing everything he can to make cousins

A) look bad
b) fail - by sabotaging the potential with a HoF coach who can really finally give him the playoffs
 
I wonder how the season tickets renewal is going. I wonder if Vivek's sudden move was triggered by the lack of renewals.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sales has been lacking and Vivek knew he could not wait for Mullin to be ready or another Warriors hand me down. Either way, the fans wouldn't accept Mullin and he knows it. Slow season ticket renewals may be why Vivek is making this move.

Karl is not a bad move, but since the train is already wrecked this year, there would've been more options at the end of the season. I hope Karl comes in and teached ball movement but does not insists on the frantic pace that his Nuggets played. Boogie is not Faried. Big guys can't run up and down all game every season and not get injured and have their careers shorten.
 
If we are going with the dribble drive motion offense I don't think JT will be here next year.

I don't think he will be here regardless of the offense we run. I think Karl is going to want to clean house again.. I can only see him really wanting to keep Casspi, Collison, Gay, Cousins, McLemore and MAYBE a guy like Reggie Evans. The rest of them are fodder.


One thing I noticed throughout the years with JT is that if things get too complicated for him then he disappears. If it's just a matter of him scoring and rebounding without a solid game plan then he does fine. Guess he's better suited for a bench role or maybe a different situation (on another team). I think his stats are actually inflated playing here in Sac. I don't see him getting much time on most teams in the NBA.
 
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Anyone know what they talked about?

Speaking of trade dead line...wonder if Pete has still been active on that front..

Karl or no Karl, if he hasn't he has been negligent. Big pieces probably wouldn't touch (unless super deal and dealing from weakness, not likely) but the bench (like Williams) needs lots of work. Hopefully a minor deal or two.
 
That is another screw up by the FO. If they would have left the interim coach tag on Corbin, they gave themselves some wiggle room. They just look incompetent by removing the interim tag in the first place.

I think it has already been established maybe even admitted that they made a mistake.
 
It makes sense that they might want to run the Dribble Drive Motion Offense, it kind of fits what Ranadive has been talking about when he references position-less basketball and constant ball movement. Even though it is an isolation style of offense the ball does actually move a lot and the players definitely move a lot. The only issue still is the lack of outside shooting, we don't have the 3-point shooters to run this perfectly. However the main goal of the offense is to score at the rim or get fouled and we do have players who can do this as long as the spacing is correct. I think Collison, McLemore, and Gay fit perfectly when it comes to the driving part. It isn't about good ball handling, it's about driving in bursts and finishing at the rim, those guys have the speed and athleticism to do just that. However with the lack of 3-point shooting the defense is going to play back as far as they can without getting illegal defense calls. Even one good 3-point shooter would fix a lot of this. Such as replacing Thompson with Ryan Anderson or something along those lines would be huge for this style of offense.
 
Could you imagine being told you've been fired from your job, but we need you to stick around until the new guy is ready to start? Brutal. Let Ty go home.

This is professional sports. They are making a lot of money. They understand the business. There is constant movement. Corbin will be fine and coaching here or somewhere else next year.
 
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