Kings Offer Contract to George Karl

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Čarolija said:
One possible positive for the whole Karl and style of play is that in Seattle his teams were defensively minded teams and he used Payton in a way that was utilizing his skills in the best way possible (i.e. posting him up a lot).

He might look at Cuz in a similar way and say, I am posting this guy up because he is an unguardable beast down there.
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he challenged Carmelo to get double doubles often, and get his butt deeper into the paint.
 
rainmaker said:
As was linked in another thread, if what Bucher said is true, we could have quite an issue brewing between Cuz and this FO/owner.

What Bucher said was after the firing of Malone, Cuz said if we're going to make a change I want a veteran coach, and the two names which came up were Mark Jackson and Karl. Cuz was then told they would not hire a veteran coach and that Karl specifically was not a good fit for Cuz's style and if waiting until the summer there'd be a healthier pool of candidates. Then of course Cuz found out that we are looking to hire Karl, the exact guy he was told was not a good fit. Cuz is now wondering who he works for.


It's Bucher, who knows if it's true or not but it seems very believable to me, when combined with the rumors that Fegan is most concerned not about Karl but rather mixed messages and quickly changing plans of this organization. I'll add, what is also ridiculous when considering this is Malone was fired due to his style, PDA wanted something more up-tempo, more running, said it a number of times and Karl obviously fits that style. Yet right after firing Malone for not playing that style and telling us how important more pace would be, Cuz was told Karl doesn't fit his style, which is the same as saying up-tempo basketball doesn't fit Cuz's style. So basically:
1) Fire Malone for not employing an up-tempo system
2) Tell fan base how important pace is and we want to get up and down the court more
3) Tell Cuz the best available option to employ that style doesn't fit his game
4) Go on KHTK and double down, we need more pace, while Cuz is wondering why he's been told the best coach to employ that style doesn't fit his game
5) Tell Cuz we'll wait until the summer to hire next coach while telling fans Corbin is our guy and we're 100% behind him
6) Do a complete 180 and hire Karl, the guy who Cuz was told doesn't fit his style
7) Blame our incompetence on Cuz and Fegan through leaks to the media
8) Get Napear to say over the radio waves if Cuz has a problem with Karl, that's what trades are for

Sounds about right.

I can't believe what I'm hearing. This is truly insane. I hope others see the severe incompetence and contradictions in what apparently might have transpired.
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"I hope others see the severe incompetence and contradictions in what apparently might have transpired."

Ty is our coach for the rest of the season per the gerbil in that PR stunt of a controlled interview. Such utter bs. Can't believe all the people that are backing these fools. Amateurs that want to change the rules.
 
Chubbs said:
If they're smart, part of Karl's job would be to groom his successor.

Hopefully that's already been discussed. Karl can't be here forever, and his health will remain a ? So I would hope a succession plan is in place ASAP. Of course, that would have to wait till the offseason for Karl to hire assistants. But he better be hiring with finding an eventual head coach in mind. And not in the way the FO tried to sneak in Gentry to replace Malone, but a guy Karl mentors.
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I've been thinking the same thing. It really depends on how much they defer to Karl. If they let him run the show, and PDA is essentially support staff, I could see Karl hiring a protégée to eventually take over and carry his torch. If, on the other hand, he's just one of many voices in the organization, the chances would diminish that he would do such a thing.
 
After losing so much under Corbin and the fact we wouldn't get a legit replacement (or so I thought), I'm FINALLY excited about the season again, not to mention the future. I know there's still a bunch of question marks surrounding the FO, but it feels like I can now take a nice big breath after trying to suck air through a straw.
 
I'm starting to question why Karl would even want to be here. He has to be a tad desperate to voluntarily come here.

He must not think there will be many openings this summer. Surely he can do better than this.
 
George Karl has not missed the playoffs since the damn 1980's.

I will personally donate 10 dollars a pop via paypal to each of you posters here if we don't make the playoffs next year.

This is a glorified day for Kings fans, you just don't realize it yet. When this is made official, I will try to hold back tears of joy.
 
Čarolija said:
One possible positive for the whole Karl and style of play is that in Seattle his teams were defensively minded teams and he used Payton in a way that was utilizing his skills in the best way possible (i.e. posting him up a lot).

He might look at Cuz in a similar way and say, I am posting this guy up because he is an unguardable beast down there.
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He's a great coach. He isn't going to cram a system down the throats of players who are incapable of executing the system. I'm looking forward to see what Karl does with this team and I hope his presence dwarfs all the other pin heads in the organization.
 
Chubbs said:
I'm starting to question why Karl would even want to be here. He has to be a tad desperate to voluntarily come here.

He must not think there will be many openings this summer. Surely he can do better than this.
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The thought crossed my mind also but then I thought "who do we hire?" Can this team survive until the end of the season without imploding? I was watching Cousins snapping and snarling and Gay's game was darn near gone. I wanted somebody good right away. We will have time some other day to be picky about coaches.
 
ever have drama with your gf/bf cheating then denying, lying, putting the blame on other things? this season has the same type of drama. wooo, this one is for the books! i don't ever recall hearing so much bs about other teams since following the nba.

didn't this m*****f***** say gerbil and mully flew out to vegas and convinced him to fire malone then he said do what you think is the best? (essentially placing the blame on Yes man & mully? but the report said he was the one throwing down the ax. f****** scumbag. hey vivek, if you CANT HANDLE THE HEAT- STAY THE **** OUT OF THE DAMN KITCHEN.

"After owner Vivek Ranadive insisted on the firing of Michael Malone – against the wishes of his front office, sources said – the Kings struggled under Corbin and turned toward Karl in the past few days."

all this damn he said, she said bs.
 
Chubbs said:
I'm starting to question why Karl would even want to be here. He has to be a tad desperate to voluntarily come here.

He must not think there will be many openings this summer. Surely he can do better than this.
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I've got to think Cousins is reason #1. And I hope to God he's going to have a major influence in all personnel decisions.
 
GQ_Gabriel said:
George Karl has not missed the playoffs since the damn 1980's.

I will personally donate 10 dollars a pop via paypal to each of you posters here if we don't make the playoffs next year.

This is a glorified day for Kings fans, you just don't realize it yet. When this is made official, I will try to hold back tears of joy.
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The 2002 Bucks say hello
 
Čarolija said:
One possible positive for the whole Karl and style of play is that in Seattle his teams were defensively minded teams and he used Payton in a way that was utilizing his skills in the best way possible (i.e. posting him up a lot).

He might look at Cuz in a similar way and say, I am posting this guy up because he is an unguardable beast down there.
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People assume Karl is an up-tempo style of coach but to me, it looks like he is more of a guy who will adjust his coaching style based on his personnel. I wouldn't be surprised to see Karl slow the pace down here.
 
Chubbs said:
I'm starting to question why Karl would even want to be here. He has to be a tad desperate to voluntarily come here.

He must not think there will be many openings this summer. Surely he can do better than this.
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I think seeing how Malone coached the team to a 9-6 start showed that there is potential. Add DeMarcus and Rudy into the equation and he has something to work with here.
 
GQ_Gabriel said:
George Karl has not missed the playoffs since the damn 1980's.

I will personally donate 10 dollars a pop via paypal to each of you posters here if we don't make the playoffs next year.

This is a glorified day for Kings fans, you just don't realize it yet. When this is made official, I will try to hold back tears of joy.
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Make it a bet and get some money. I agree with you even in the tough West. We didn't need much to put together a team and we got far more than that. Now Boogie won't be the only one yelling and I see that as a good thing.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
"I hope others see the severe incompetence and contradictions in what apparently might have transpired."

Ty is our coach for the rest of the season per the gerbil in that PR stunt of a controlled interview. Such utter bs. Can't believe all the people that are backing these fools. Amateurs that want to change the rules.
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What was he supposed to say? If he didn't get the ok from Vivek he couldn't say Corbin is the coach until we get someone better. Seriously what did you want him to say?
 
jdbraver said:
What was he supposed to say? If he didn't get the ok from Vivek he couldn't say Corbin is the coach until we get someone better. Seriously what did you want him to say?
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that didn't bother me but what bothered me is how it was orchestrated. grant & dave ripping the FO on air then you see gerbil tweeting some false bullshi request for an interview. he controls the interview and wastes time talking nonsense. they must think we're really naiive fans.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
that didn't bother me but what bothered me is how it was orchestrated. grant & dave ripping the FO on air then you see gerbil tweeting some false bullshi request for an interview. he controls the interview and wastes time talking nonsense. they must think we're really naiive fans.
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On the flip side fans that expect more are as much to blame for thinking it would be an earth shaking reveal.
 
right and he tried to play the fans for fools. it didn't help that he kept saying ty was our coach, hes our guy until he end of the year. how stupid does he look now w/ the verge of the george karl hiring. another knee jerk reaction hiring? i thought these guys were 12 steps ahead. i'm sure they saw this coming and thats why things are going soo smooth.
 
Pretty decent article on Karl from 2013 for those interested.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...on-life-playing-fast-and-playing-the-warriors

Offers some insight for anyone not that familiar with him. BTW, with committing to Karl I expect a fair amount of roster turnover this summer.



Karl's known nowadays as an offensive-centric coach, and his teams have consistently landed in the top 10 of offensive efficiency more often in his tenure than in defense. But for Karl, the big key to his approach was to instill a trust in the players (which players love) that allowed him to guide them defensively.

"The thing about playing fast offensively is that I think it allows you to emphasize defense," he says. "Because you let them have the freedom a lot offensively. And coaches don't give freedom away very easily. I think as a coach, someone told me you can't coach intense at both ends of the court. Your team's going to know what your favorite side of the court is.

"But when you play fast, you say 'That's your game, I'm giving you that side of the court,' but you've got to do what I want you to do defensively. But at the same time you can coach freedom and what a good shot is."

Karl's approach is often criticized because of the chaos it inspires. Players have concepts, vague ideas, but are allowed to freelance when it comes to feeling out the best play. That it works as well as it does is a testament to Karl's ability to translate ideas to function.

"We don't coach maybe the execution of a play," he says. "We teach spacing, but we don't work on the timing of flare screens and the timing of staggers. And we don't spend a lot of time on the tricks of screens or the tricks of execution sets. We talk about spacing and we talk about getting into the paint. I actually think I coach what a good shot is as much as any coach in the NBA."

That "good shot," if you play the percentages is, in order of quality: 1) Dunks or layups; 2) free throws; 3) corner 3-pointers; 4) above-the-break 3-pointers, and then somewhere near 5,472 mid-range jumpshots. The Nuggets led the league this season in points in the paint and shots in the restricted area, were fifth in free-throw rate, eighth in corner 3 attempts (in a season they were not great at shooting 3s), 27th in above-the-break 3s and second-to-last in mid-range jump shots.

They were fifth in offensive efficiency. And maybe the more important metric, they were 11th in defensive efficiency, eighth since Feb. 1.
 
rainmaker said:
As was linked in another thread, if what Bucher said is true, we could have quite an issue brewing between Cuz and this FO/owner.

What Bucher said was after the firing of Malone, Cuz said if we're going to make a change I want a veteran coach, and the two names which came up were Mark Jackson and Karl. Cuz was then told they would not hire a veteran coach and that Karl specifically was not a good fit for Cuz's style and if waiting until the summer there'd be a healthier pool of candidates. Then of course Cuz found out that we are looking to hire Karl, the exact guy he was told was not a good fit. Cuz is now wondering who he works for.


It's Bucher, who knows if it's true or not but it seems very believable to me when combined with the rumors that Fegan is most concerned not about Karl but rather mixed messages and quickly changing plans of this organization. I'll add, what is also ridiculous when considering this is Malone was fired due to his style, PDA wanted something more up-tempo, more running, said it a number of times and Karl obviously fits that style. Yet right after firing Malone for not playing that style and telling us how important more pace would be, Cuz was told Karl doesn't fit his style, which is the same as saying up-tempo basketball doesn't fit Cuz's style....even though his coach was just canned for not pushing that style. So basically:
1) Fire Malone for not employing an up-tempo system
2) Tell fan base how important pace is and we want to get up and down the court more
3) Tell Cuz the best available option to employ that style doesn't fit his game
4) Go on KHTK and double down, we need more pace, while Cuz is wondering why he's been told the best coach to employ that style doesn't fit his game
5) Tell Cuz we'll wait until the summer to hire next coach while telling fans Corbin is our guy and we're 100% behind him
6) Do a complete 180 and hire Karl, the guy who Cuz was told doesn't fit his style
7) Blame our incompetence on Cuz and Fegan through leaks to the media
8) Get Napear to say over the radio waves if Cuz has a problem with Karl, that's what trades are for

Sounds about right.

I can't believe what I'm hearing. This is truly insane. I hope others see the severe incompetence and contradictions in what apparently might have transpired.
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Where did Bucher say this? just curious.
 
To be fair to the front office, the word was thay Corbin would need tk crash and burn for them to replace him before the ens of the season. And well...
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
right and he tried to play the fans for fools. it didn't help that he kept saying ty was our coach, hes our guy until he end of the year. how stupid does he look now w/ the verge of the george karl hiring. another knee jerk reaction hiring? i thought these guys were 12 steps ahead. i'm sure they saw this coming and thats why things are going soo smooth.
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I am not arguing it is anything but a mess. I just don't think the Ty end of the year thing was Pete trying to pull one over on fans. He had to say that. George Karl is a great hire. We will not get a better coach by waiting and we have time to look somewhat normal by FA time.
 
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