Kings Notes: Defense is Theus' top priority

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The Kings' new coach says playing time will be based on defensive performance.

By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/381399.html

Last October, tough talk of improving defensively was nearing an all-time high in Kings land.
The defensive-minded coach, Eric Musselman, touted a message of commitment and change, and his players vowed to turn to protect their turf as never before.
But by season's end, the words far outweighed the wins, and the Kings had regressed badly - falling from 21st in points allowed in 2005-06 under Rick Adelman to a near-last 26th in the NBA under Musselman.
The plan, if not the former coach, remains.
First-year coach Reggie Theus has pegged defense and rebounding as the foremost problem areas of his new squad. But in an early sign that perhaps there will be more follow-through this time, Theus made it clear that playing time will be dictated largely by defensive performance for both youngsters and veterans.
He envisions a return to the stifling Ron Artest of old on defense, says an in-shape Brad Miller can contribute more in the paint and is challenging fourth-year shooting guard Kevin Martin to make the most of his "potential to be a very good defensive player."
Even point guard Mike Bibby, so often maligned for his defense, will need to earn his time partially on the defensive end.
"There are two areas we have to get better in to be successful -- defense and rebounding," said Theus, who inherits a team that was 29th in rebounding differential (negative 4.4). "If we're better defensively, then we will rebound better because those things go hand in hand. And defense starts with your point guard.
"Mike Bibby will decide how many minutes he's going to play -- whether he plays 20-plus minutes or 30-plus minutes. That's on him, and a lot of that is going to be his defense. Whether Mike is a great defensive player or not, he's got to be willing to put it out there."
With training camp starting Oct. 2, defense ultimately could decide the competition at backup point guard, as well. On defensive repute alone, Orien Greene could have the early edge. Greene's defensive skills, Theus said, were part of the reason Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie signed Greene on Aug. 31. He was the second point guard added during the offseason, as undrafted rookie Mustafa Shakur (Arizona) was signed after his showing with the Kings in the Las Vegas summer league.
"I talked to Geoff about an energy guy, somebody we need defensively to be able to pick up halfcourt, fullcourt, quarter-court and put pressure on the point guard," Theus said.
But neither Greene nor Shakur has the security of second-year guard Quincy Douby, who is being groomed to play both guard positions and has two guaranteed seasons remaining ($1.3 million in 2007-08 and $1.4 million in 2008-09). Shakur's deal comes with $20,000 secured, while Greene is guaranteed $100,000.
"I think they all bring different things to the table," Theus said. "I know Quincy is going to work his butt off. He's been in the gym, working hard, and has a can-do attitude, as far as what we want.
"Orien is bigger, stronger, has good hands and defensive posture. Mustafa is a very good defensive player who can get to the basket. I think they all have to continue to work on their shot, but we'll be in search of a guy who's capable of running the team when Mike's not out on the floor."
A good start -- League rules prevent Theus from demanding that players attend offseason workouts.
But when he suggested to many players that the Kings' practice facility was as good a place as any to work out individually, he was thrilled with the response. Many players typically work out in locations across the country before training camp.
"We've had everybody in except Kenny (Thomas) and John (Salmons), and they've been coming in consistently," Theus said. "I think that builds immediate camaraderie that's necessary. "
 
Defense and rebounding were horrible last season, that's something I agree totally with Theus. I just hope Theus sticks to his words that he will improve this team and I believe defense is a main component in getting this team to the playoffs.
 
Defense, defense, defense. I've heard this countless of times from different coaches and still the Kings sucked at it. Stop talking about it and let's see it with ACTION.
 
blah, blah, blah.... defense and rebounding with bad defenders and rebounders wont change anything... atleast have a high octane offense to make losing fun to watch...
 
If playing time would be determined based on devensive performance,I wonder who will be playing..maybe players from the monarchs can have playing time since they defend well :D
 
wtf kenny thomas is doing...Everyone is coming in and working hard he's not been to the gym since the season ended ?? wow I really hope this pisses Geoff off and just buyout this loser really. John Salmons should be there as well these guys have to get their acts together imo
 
For how many years have we've been saying that you need to bring in better defenders and better rebounders if you want to get better at defense and rebounding?

I like the idea of focusing on defense, but at this point I think maybe playing to the strengths of the players on the team is probably the best option for getting wins.
 
With what kenny has shown in this article i hope this is a sign that he doesn't want to play for the kings no more and that he doesn't pick up his option..
 
Wait, what did Thomas do wrong? Players normally workout somewhere other than the practice facility and Theus only suggested that they do it there. Who knows what reasons Thomas and Salmons had for not coming and who cares? It wasn't mandatory.
 
But how would they score? Artest might get 30 points a game on 30% shooting if they played that lineup much.
 
Defense, defense, defense. I've heard this countless of times from different coaches and still the Kings sucked at it. Stop talking about it and let's see it with ACTION.

What do you expect the Bee writers to talk about if not about the philosophy of play the new coach says he's going to pursue? Sorry, Rock, but how do you expect to see it in September?

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A successful team is a blend of offense and defense. I trust that Reggie Theus will be able to at least convey that message to the team in a more convincing manner than Eric Musselman did. I'm at least willing to give him a chance, which is what I hope other Kings fans will do.
 
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you can preach defense all day long you still need the personnel to make it work.

How many defensive juggernauts did we have on the 2002-2003 team? Hrm? I can only think of one of the top of my head...

The majority of NBA professionals can play at least some defense, but they have to be motivated to do it. It sounds to me like Theus is giving them the motivation.
 
A lot more than the Kings have on the current team. And it's not just about juggernauts, it's about finding the right combinations of personnel to offset each others' weaknesses.

It seems obvious that the Kings haven't had the personnel to provide good defense or rebounding over the last several years. I don't see how that's changed.

I love the idea of attempting to motivate individuals to play defense. Musselman appeared to do a great job of motivating them at the very beginning of last year. I just don't see motivation working for a very long stretch if you don't have the guys whose skills lend them to defending.
 
I didn't think I would like Reggie but I love him.
I didn't think I would ever like a coach to call his players out, but I love it in Reggie.
I briefly met him in person a few weeks ago and was blown away by his swagger and charisma and air of credibility.

He is a real breath of fresh air.
 
I don't really know what to make of this article.

Some of our players have so consistently failed to play D that I don't know whether they are capable of it, but if they are, will it affect their offensive game a lot? Can Martin or Bibby score as much if they're totally winded from trying to keep a hand in Kobe's face through 20 seconds of sprinting around the court?

Does this mean that Orien Greene will get 20 minutes a game, because even though he's an offensive nothing, he defends well? Will we start Garcia at SG and bench our new "face of the franchise," or is this mostly just talk?

It'll be interesting to see what happens under Theus, but this article does little to help me guess.
 
Based on this article Justin Williams will be or starting PF. Because he is the only PF we have that can play defense and rebound. That will determine if RT is full of crap or not. Because we all know that SAR and KT aren't good at defense and SAR isn't good at rebounding. Justin is a better rebounder than both of them and any defense at all would be better than both of them. So RT lets see if you can stick to your guns on this sentiment you offer us fans. If Justin doesn't get more PT (because you said PT is based on rebounding a defense) then you are full of crap.
 
Based on this article Justin Williams will be or starting PF. Because he is the only PF we have that can play defense and rebound. That will determine if RT is full of crap or not. Because we all know that SAR and KT aren't good at defense and SAR isn't good at rebounding. Justin is a better rebounder than both of them and any defense at all would be better than both of them. So RT lets see if you can stick to your guns on this sentiment you offer us fans. If Justin doesn't get more PT (because you said PT is based on rebounding a defense) then you are full of crap.

Yah no crap eh? If Theus sticks to his words than Williams will be our starting PF.. If not than he is full of crap.
 
Oh good grief. It's a stupid pre-season article, folks, not a contract written in blood. Reggie Theus is "full of crap" if he doesn't start Justin Williams at the PF? You're not serious, are you? What's next? Stealing lunch money and pushing people down on the playground during recess?

Theus is talking about what he hopes to accomplish - and Sam Amick is turning it into something he hopes the fans just might find a little bit interesting.

IT'S NOT the tablets carved in stone. Lighten up, for Pete's sake.
 
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Oh good grief. It's a stupid pre-season article, folks, not a contract written in blood. Reggie Theus is "full of crap" if he doesn't start Justin Williams at the PF? You're not serious, are you? What's next? Stealing lunch money and pushing people down on the playground during recess?

Theus is talking about what he hopes to accomplish - and Sam Amick is turning it into something he hopes the fans just might find a little bit interesting.

IT'S NOT the tablets carved in stone. Lighten up, for Pete's sake.
same to you bro...

and the end of the day it's still our beliefs and oppinions "Lighten up, for Pete's sake"
 
same to you bro...

and the end of the day it's still our beliefs and oppinions "Lighten up, for Pete's sake"


It's an opinion that Theus would be full of crap if he does not start Williams? Theus is not stupid. As mentioned, Theus is talking about the need for defense and rebounding improvement. Well...duh! We all know that.
 
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How many defensive juggernauts did we have on the 2002-2003 team? Hrm? I can only think of one of the top of my head...

The majority of NBA professionals can play at least some defense, but they have to be motivated to do it. It sounds to me like Theus is giving them the motivation.


Thing is that 02-03 squad had a lot of quality defenders. One superstud in Christie, but also Bobby while he still brought it, Keon who was one of the top shotblockers in the league, Hedo, Pollard, JJ, Wallace...this magic voodoo wave the magic wand stuff is a fairy tale. We can be better than last year, when utter disarray contributed to utter suckiness. We can't be good. And I freakin dare Reggie to bench Kevin for a second half in favor of Cisco because of defensive issues. I dare him. Or Bibby in favor or Orien Greene. But he won't. He knows better. He can preach it, but he gets too heavy handed he loses his team, if not his job (his job being 50% PR anyway).

If defense and rebounding are paramount, here is my team:

C- Williams
PF- Thomas
SF- Artest
OG- Cisco
PG- Greene

6th- Salmons
7th- Moore


Should be a hoot!


So we find ourselves in the same spot we did last year when Muss was saying the same thing, and he too got a criminal level of nonsupport from the front office. Hell, for that matter Rick got canned for not doing enough of it, again because of a complete failure of the front office to acquire the right type of people.
 
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Oh good grief. It's a stupid pre-season article, folks, not a contract written in blood. Reggie Theus is "full of crap" if he doesn't start Justin Williams at the PF? You're not serious, are you? What's next? Stealing lunch money and pushing people down on the playground during recess?

Theus is talking about what he hopes to accomplish - and Sam Amick is turning it into something he hopes the fans just might find a little bit interesting.

IT'S NOT the tablets carved in stone. Lighten up, for Pete's sake.


He is if he sticks with that sentiment of defene earns min. Which is why I said what I said. To say something like that is idiotic at best so I replied with an equaly idiotic sentiment of my own. You were the first to bite back. But think about how stupid it is to say something like that. lets say you have Jason Hart and Steve Nash on your team and you say only the best defender plays. Come on lets be real.

Don't get me wrong I am very excited about the season and RT as the coach. But I implore him not to go down this road. Just say you want to play good defense. don't act as if Mike Bibby is only going to get 10 min a game because Greene is a better defender its just not a realistic idea to go by.
 
The Adelman-era Kings philosophy was to outscore the other team. Our defense was supposed to get stops when they needed them at the end of the game. Christie and Bobby played great defense. You saw Bobby take over for Bibby for long stretches when we needed a defensive matchup at the point. I'd like to see Douby take over the Bobby J role.

I think what Theus is hoping for from this team is for them to play good team defense. Individually, some of the players are average defenders at best. The key is for them to play good team defense. Bibby just has to contribute here on that side of the ball. He's never going to shut down a guy but can he play good team d. Salmons, Garcia, Artest, Douby are guy capable of playing good defense. Justin should see a good amount of minutes. We also need to be able to score so Bibby and B Miller and Hawes will get their share of time as long as they are not stiffs on defense.....at least that is the goal.
 
Thing is that 02-03 squad had a lot of quality defenders. One superstud in Christie, but also Bobby while he still brought it, Keon who was one of the top shotblockers in the league, Hedo, Pollard, JJ, Wallace...this magic voodoo wave the magic wand stuff is a fairy tale. We can be better than last year, when utter disarray contributed to utter suckiness. We can't be good. And I freakin dare Reggie to bench Kevin for a second half in favor of Cisco because of defensive issues. I dare him. Or Bibby in favor or Orien Greene. But he won't. He knows better. He can preach it, but he gets too heavy handed he loses his team, if not his job (his job being 50% PR anyway).

If defense and rebounding are paramount, here is my team:

C- Williams
PF- Thomas
SF- Artest
OG- Cisco
PG- Greene

6th- Salmons
7th- Moore


Should be a hoot!


So we find ourselves in the same spot we did last year when Muss was saying the same thing, and he too got a criminal level of nonsupport from the front office. Hell, for that matter Rick got canned for not doing enough of it, again because of a complete failure of the front office to acquire the right type of people.

I don't think we're in the same spot as last year, so if I don't buy that initial premise, I can't buy into the assumptions.

All I'm truly protesting is the amount of weight some people want to place on a throwaway article by Sam Amick in the middle of September.
 
Playing D means the players have to buy into and believe the coaches philosophy. Last year no one bought in after 10-15 game and no one knew their role and no one seemed to believe the coach. If you don't know your role or what is expected of you how can you be great at anything? Lip service about "D" is just that. But a bunch of guys buying into a plan and a philosophy and carrying out those plans allows for greatness to show.

We have no clue who can be great other than Kevin and his D needs work but he got in front of more opponents more times than anyone else so he's on the right track. Lets all be from Missouri, the "Show Me" state and see what we have the end of October. It might not be the final plan but we'll have a better idea of the pieces and their potential.

Doncha just love waiting? Seeing how the unknowns work out? Who steps up we didn't expect? God!! I love this game!!!! :D
 
I don't think Theus actually means that everyone is going to have to be a great defender. Obviously Brad and Mike aren't going to be good defenders pretty much no matter what. But if Justin can show he can play and Reggie lets him, he's a decent defender already. Douby showed some defensive skills last year, specifically in that game vs LAC. Martin certainly has potential to be good. Artest is a great defender. Garcia's a good defender. So with a trade for a more defensive frontcourt player than SAR/KT, we actually do have the potential to be a decent defensive team IMO. And also, of course Reggie WANTS us to get better on D.
 
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