Kings Notes: Defense is Theus' top priority

Playing D means the players have to buy into and believe the coaches philosophy. Last year no one bought in after 10-15 game and no one knew their role and no one seemed to believe the coach. If you don't know your role or what is expected of you how can you be great at anything? Lip service about "D" is just that. But a bunch of guys buying into a plan and a philosophy and carrying out those plans allows for greatness to show.

We have no clue who can be great other than Kevin and his D needs work but he got in front of more opponents more times than anyone else so he's on the right track. Lets all be from Missouri, the "Show Me" state and see what we have the end of October. It might not be the final plan but we'll have a better idea of the pieces and their potential.

Doncha just love waiting? Seeing how the unknowns work out? Who steps up we didn't expect? God!! I love this game!!!! :D

That's pretty much how I'm looking at it, Dude! And, in case anyone didn't know it,

I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
 
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What do you expect the Bee writers to talk about if not about the philosophy of play the new coach says he's going to pursue? Sorry, Rock, but how do you expect to see it in September?

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A successful team is a blend of offense and defense. I trust that Reggie Theus will be able to at least convey that message to the team in a more convincing manner than Eric Musselman did. I'm at least willing to give him a chance, which is what I hope other Kings fans will do.
See what?? All I did was voice my opinion.
 
See what?? All I did was voice my opinion.

What you said was:

Rockmeister said:
I've heard this countless of times from different coaches and still the Kings sucked at it. Stop talking about it and let's see it with ACTION.


So my question stands... What do you expect to see in mid-September?

The article was nothing more than Amick trying to find something/anything to write about to at least attempt to fill the gaping hole that is the lack of Kings material to report upon at this point in time.

I guess the difference in our points of view is that I'm going to wait and see what happens, hoping for the best, before I resign myself to the worst.

:)
 
I guess the difference in our points of view is that I'm going to wait and see what happens, hoping for the best, before I resign myself to the worst.

:)
I wish I could think like this, but I just don't see anything positive with the Kings this season.
 
I wish I could think like this, but I just don't see anything positive with the Kings this season.

Read the disclaimer in my signature. I'll always try to find something to be positive about. It's just part of my nature.

:)
 
thanks, all i had to go on was greene, so wasn't sure. did we sign this guy or something? i've been away for a little bit.

partial guarantee training camp type guy. The apparent plan right now looks to be to have he and Shakur (summer league) battle it out for a roster spot. Since its dubious whether either is actually a rotation quality backup PG, might just be for the 12th man/3rd PG type role and let Douby try his hand as the primary backup.
 
Well, I don't expect Douby to play 35 minutes at pg with Bibby at 13, nor the same for JW and Miller.

Miller and Bibby, as everyone knows, are non-athletes by NBA standards. What I would really like to know is how long they can go "balls out" on D.
7 minutes? 8 minutes? It makes sense that they can only go for shorter periods of time than the athlete because they have to put out soo much energy to keep up on D that they just can't sustain it. Every year you see Bibby's inability to sustain defensive energy because he just isn't athletically gifted. It even seems that he tries his best (like the beginning of last season), but then he just gets burned out physically. So the most that I think we can hope for out of Theus is that he recognizes the limitations of Bibby and Miller and plays them for shorter periods of time, but at the same time demands that during the shorter stretches they do go all out on defense. That, of course, would rely upon Bibby and Miller buying into that type of substitution pattern. We'll see....
 
Look New Coach Guy HAS to talk about defense but to be fair to him he also has to play the players he has and pretty much has to play the stars such that they are for the big min. Sooooooooooo IF this team is REALLY going to take defense seriously then the moves need to be made to bring in at least one more defense minded guy if not about 4 of them.
 
It's not an either/or black or white situation. I think people are reading way too much into his comments.

My guess would be he's primarily talking about the non-starters, the guys who are looking for minutes to move up in the rotation, even though he used Mike as an example. And I still think our starters can at least play a modicum of defense... BUT, as was pointed out above, they need to know their roles and be as comfortable with each other as Vlade, Chris, Doug, Peja and Mike were. They have to TRUST each other and the coach - and that was sadly and obviously lacking last year. Trust flows from the top. If Reggie sets the tone, I'm pretty sure the majority of our team will follow.
 
I think the key here is effort. Theus isn't going to play Orien Greene 40 minutes and Bibby 10 because Greene is the better defender-- but if Bibby doesn't play hard on defense he'll maybe be playing 28 minutes per game instead of 34. That's the way I interpreted those comments. And yeah, if he doesn't stick to that philosophy it's just talk. Musselman talked the talk but when it got time to play, he didn't walk the walk. Sure it's fair to be skeptical, but I'm not going to hold what Musselman did against Reggie Theus. He's not Musselman, so he should get the same chance Musselman got last season before he blew it. Talking the talk is the first step to walking the walk, now we've just go to see if he can take the next step when the season starts. At this point, I see it as a good sign. Give him a fair shot.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Greene makes the team over Shakur either. If Greene can't run the team, it doesn't matter how good his defense is. Shakur's not a bad defender either, from what I've seen.

It's also quite irresponsible to demand that Justin Williams be the starter. We don't see what happens in practice, we don't know what the gameplan is. Shareef and Thomas are going to get minutes if they play hard as long as they're on this team. Like I said before, the bit about earning minutes by playing defense is not as simple as adding up blocks and steals and rebounds and dividing the minutes accordingly. It's about effort. Kenny Thomas has shown he can be a solid rebounder when he puts forth the effort. Just as it's only fair to wait until the season starts before accusing Theus of not practicing what he preaches, it's fair to give everyone the chance to show they want to play before deciding the starting lineups based on how much we like them or how much effort they've shown in the past. New season means everyone starts with a clean slate.

I would expect that Justin Williams will eventually be getting more playing time as the seaons plays out considering he's got the size and defensive skills to help where we most need it, but you've got to give time for these things to play out. That's what's exciting about a new season, everything starts over. Everyone gets a new chance to prove themselves. Can't we atleast wait until the season has actually started before we start slinging accusations?
 
I think the key here is effort. Theus isn't going to play Orien Greene 40 minutes and Bibby 10 because Greene is the better defender-- but if Bibby doesn't play hard on defense he'll maybe be playing 28 minutes per game instead of 34. That's the way I interpreted those comments. And yeah, if he doesn't stick to that philosophy it's just talk. Musselman talked the talk but when it got time to play, he didn't walk the walk. Sure it's fair to be skeptical, but I'm not going to hold what Musselman did against Reggie Theus. He's not Musselman, so he should get the same chance Musselman got last season before he blew it. Talking the talk is the first step to walking the walk, now we've just go to see if he can take the next step when the season starts. At this point, I see it as a good sign. Give him a fair shot.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Greene makes the team over Shakur either. If Greene can't run the team, it doesn't matter how good his defense is. Shakur's not a bad defender either, from what I've seen.

It's also quite irresponsible to demand that Justin Williams be the starter. We don't see what happens in practice, we don't know what the gameplan is. Shareef and Thomas are going to get minutes if they play hard as long as they're on this team. Like I said before, the bit about earning minutes by playing defense is not as simple as adding up blocks and steals and rebounds and dividing the minutes accordingly. It's about effort. Kenny Thomas has shown he can be a solid rebounder when he puts forth the effort. Just as it's only fair to wait until the season starts before accusing Theus of not practicing what he preaches, it's fair to give everyone the chance to show they want to play before deciding the starting lineups based on how much we like them or how much effort they've shown in the past. New season means everyone starts with a clean slate.

I would expect that Justin Williams will eventually be getting more playing time as the seaons plays out considering he's got the size and defensive skills to help where we most need it, but you've got to give time for these things to play out. That's what's exciting about a new season, everything starts over. Everyone gets a new chance to prove themselves. Can't we atleast wait until the season has actually started before we start slinging accusations?

This is an excellent post, hrdboild, and one that I totally agree with.
 
Even if this team reaches a maximum of its potential - it is still a .500 at best. Everything else is just talk. Writers have to earn their pay even if they just recycle trash.
 
the coach can want to improve the defense all day long. i'm not buying in until i see a change in the roster and/or some intensity on the court. Muss said he wanted to improve defensively; he failed miserably
 
It's not an either/or black or white situation. I think people are reading way too much into his comments.

My guess would be he's primarily talking about the non-starters, the guys who are looking for minutes to move up in the rotation, even though he used Mike as an example. And I still think our starters can at least play a modicum of defense... BUT, as was pointed out above, they need to know their roles and be as comfortable with each other as Vlade, Chris, Doug, Peja and Mike were. They have to TRUST each other and the coach - and that was sadly and obviously lacking last year. Trust flows from the top. If Reggie sets the tone, I'm pretty sure the majority of our team will follow.

"Mike Bibby will decide how many minutes he's going to play -- whether he plays 20-plus minutes or 30-plus minutes. That's on him, and a lot of that is going to be his defense. Whether Mike is a great defensive player or not, he's got to be willing to put it out there." -- R. Theus.
 
Erm, Kingster, why not read the WHOLE sentence? I said and you actually quoted:

My guess would be he's primarily talking about the non-starters, the guys who are looking for minutes to move up in the rotation, EVEN THOUGH HE USED MIKE AS AN EXAMPLE.

You can disagree with my "guess," but you should at least read my entire comment which is predicated upon the assumption that he's calling everyone out and not just the one player he used as an example.
 
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these "defense is the key" articles this summer and last summer are tiring. and wrong. winning is the key, dagnabbit!
 
Winning is the objective or goal. Defense is the key to reaching that objective or goal.

;)
 
It's not an either/or black or white situation. I think people are reading way too much into his comments.

My guess would be he's primarily talking about the non-starters, the guys who are looking for minutes to move up in the rotation, even though he used Mike as an example. And I still think our starters can at least play a modicum of defense... BUT, as was pointed out above, they need to know their roles and be as comfortable with each other as Vlade, Chris, Doug, Peja and Mike were. They have to TRUST each other and the coach - and that was sadly and obviously lacking last year. Trust flows from the top. If Reggie sets the tone, I'm pretty sure the majority of our team will follow.

Primarily the "non-starters"? I don't think so. You don't name Mike Bibby if you're talking primarily about the non-starters. You don't name Bibby because you want to use an example for the "non-starters". You name Mike Bibby because he is a starter and he is notorious for bad defense. Safe to say if he calls out Bibby he's calling out everyone.
 
Primarily the "non-starters"? I don't think so. You don't name Mike Bibby if you're talking primarily about the non-starters. You don't name Bibby because you want to use an example for the "non-starters". You name Mike Bibby because he is a starter and he is notorious for bad defense. Safe to say if he calls out Bibby he's calling out everyone.

Well, doh.

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You can disagree with my "guess," but you should at least read my entire comment which is predicated upon the assumption that he's calling everyone out and not just the one player he used as an example.

I think the message is for everyone but those who will be most impacted by it are the guys who don't get their names called at the beginning of the game. If he's going to sit Mike down for not focusing on defense, the guy who comes in at the 1 had better be willing to push hard on the defensive end OR he'll find himself making way for the next guy down the list.

It's a domino theory of sorts.

Yes, of course he named Mike (for a variety of reasons) but you act as though he's trying to make it personal between himself (Reggie) and Bibby and I strongly suspect it's nothing of the sort. The quote may sound much more confrontational than the entire comment Reggie might have made. My feeling about Theus as a coach is he will challenge his players - and I fully want him to do that - but he's not going to push too hard too soon. He's smarter than that.
 
Oh, that's a good point.

:p

At this point, I'll be happy if they just shoot to keep their drama on the court and not off it.
 
Since when have defense and rebounding EVER been Theus' top priorities?

With all due respect, do you know have the slightest clue what Reggie Theus accomplished as head coach of NMSU? Jumping on any new Kings player or coach before they have yet to step onto the floor to show what they can actually do is in a word - unfair.
 
I think that was a joke based on Theus' tenure as a basketball player. ;)

Besides, there's nothing unfair about bringing up someone's history just because they're new to this team.
 
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