Kings/Nets/Raptors

[Smills91]

Actually, i realized that since this deal happens BEFORE the July 1st date that Ford's BYC status rolls into effect. This deal should work according to the CBA.

Kings deal:
John Salmons
Shelden Williams
#46 overall

Kings receive:
TJ Ford
Joey Graham

Raptors deal:
TJ Ford
Jorge Garbajosa
Joey Graham
Maceo Baston
#17 overall

Raptors receive:
Richard Jefferson
Maurice Ager
#46 overall

Nets deal:
Richard Jefferson
Maurice Ager

Nets receive:
John Salmons
Shelden Williams
Jorge Garbajosa
Maceo Baston
#17 overall
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...~2759&teams=28~28~17~17~17~23~17~23&te=&cash=


Kings get a starting caliber PG
Raptors get an elite scoring wing/SF upgrade while solve their dilemma at PG
Nets get a terrific rebuilding package of 6+ million in expirings, a mid first round pick and a capable RJ replacement(SAlmons) on a cheap contract.

Kings new roster:
C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes
PF: #12 pick, Mikki Moore, SAR, Thomas
SF: Artest, Garcia, Joey Graham
SG: Martin, Douby
PG: Ford, (Beno - if re-signed at the MLE)

Kings can use the #12 pick to focus on Love/Speights/Arthur as our pick to focus on our PF of the future.

#43 can be used to draft the BPA at the wing position.

 

[Gary]

I can't find anything wrong with that trade because you have met the needs of each team.. TJ Ford has health issues so I think it would be smart to re-sign Beno (as you had below).

I like the idea of moving Salmons, and clearing minutes for Garcia if Artest stays. Plus re-signing Beno would allow the Kings to keep a 5 man rotation at PG/SG/SF - Martin 30+mins - Artest 30+mins - Ford 30+mins - Garcia 20+mins - Beno 20+mins. Use the #12 to draft a PF, and split the time between Miller, Moore, #12, and Hawes.

 

[pkballr]

Only problem I see in this is would Beno resign knowing he'd be coming off the bench. Miami may want to make a push for him knowing he'd get a starting job there. Many other teams might show interest in him this off-season and willing to give him the starting job as well.

 

[BritishColumbia]

Toronto does not need John anymore .... they have Delfino.

 

[tradepeja]

Toronto does not need John anymore .... they have Delfino.

Point noted. But in the deal, Toronto doesn't get Salmons.

I like the deal, except Beno is not going to resign if hes not getting a starting role.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Ford is too much of a risk and not enough reward.

 

[BawLa]

Toronto does not need John anymore .... they have Delfino.

Delfino is a SG, and he is not that good. As I recall, the original Salmons-to-Toronto trade idea was under the premise that Salmons would fill Toronto's need for a starting SF. They have A. Parker at SG and J. Moon at SF but bringing in Salmons would still be an upgrade at either position and would give them more overall depth at the two positions.

 

[AriesMar27]

they have kapono as well at sf...

 

[BawLa]

they have kapono as well at sf...

Exactly why they need some help. They have good enough players to make the playoffs in the east, but they won't do any damage until they get deeper. Kapono and Delfino are not depth, they are pine-riders.

If I were Toronto and I traded for Salmons, I would give Salmons, Moon and Parker 32 minutes a piece and the SG/SF positions are covered.

 

[fnordius]

I honestly have a hard time seeing why Toronto would want to start Salmons over Moon, and we all know that Salmons can't come off the bench. So I doubt that Toronto would want him now.

stats/40

Salmons: 16.1 pts, 5.5 reb, 3.3 asst, 2.7 TO, 1.5 stl, 0.5 blk
Moon: 12.2 pts, 8.9 reb, 1.7 asst, 0.9 TO, 1.5 stl, 2.0 blk

 

[Vlade4GM]

I honestly have a hard time seeing why Toronto would want to start Salmons over Moon, and we all know that Salmons can't come off the bench. So I doubt that Toronto would want him now.

stats/40

Salmons: 16.1 pts, 5.5 reb, 3.3 asst, 2.7 TO, 1.5 stl, 0.5 blk
Moon: 12.2 pts, 8.9 reb, 1.7 asst, 0.9 TO, 1.5 stl, 2.0 blk

Nets get salmons, not raps.

 

[fnordius]

I was replying to the digression...

As I recall, the original Salmons-to-Toronto trade idea was under the premise that Salmons would fill Toronto's need for a starting SF. They have A. Parker at SG and J. Moon at SF but bringing in Salmons would still be an upgrade at either position and would give them more overall depth at the two positions.

Etc.

My only thoughts on Smills' proposed trade is that when we start thinking up deals involving 3 teams, 8 players and 2 picks, the odds of them actually happening are infinitesimally small. That's why I rarely comment in this sort of thread.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yea, it's a solid idea though (shockingly for smills), but it's still unrealistic just on the sheer magnitude of it.

 

[Merdiesel]

Nets get salmons, not raps.

lol, for real.

 

[BawLa]

I honestly have a hard time seeing why Toronto would want to start Salmons over Moon, and we all know that Salmons can't come off the bench. So I doubt that Toronto would want him now.

stats/40

Salmons: 16.1 pts, 5.5 reb, 3.3 asst, 2.7 TO, 1.5 stl, 0.5 blk
Moon: 12.2 pts, 8.9 reb, 1.7 asst, 0.9 TO, 1.5 stl, 2.0 blk

Salmons' stats/40 as a starter are a little bit higher than what your figures show:

18.4 pts, 5.7 rebs, 3.7 ast, 2.8 TO, 1.6 stl, .4 blk

Don't get me wrong, I understand your point. If I were Toronto, I would start Salmons at the 2 and Moon at the 3 and give Salmons backup minutes at SF to spell Moon so there is not a big dropoff. Dropoff like Kapono-dropoff. With the emergence of Calderon there really is no need for Ford in Toronto. Parlaying talent for depth would be a good move for them. See my other post: Salmons, Moon and Parker for 32 minutes a pop covers their SG/SF positions pretty well.

 

[BawLa]

Nets get salmons, not raps.

We were talking about Salmons to Toronto, not the original trade which had him going to the Nets.

 

[fnordius]

Salmons' stats/40 as a starter are a little bit higher than what your figures show:

18.4 pts, 5.7 rebs, 3.7 ast, 2.8 TO, 1.6 stl, .4 blk

Maybe you're looking at per 48 rather than per 40?

After your comment, I didn't trust my stats (which I got, already cooked, from what KF would probably consider an unlinkable blog site), so I calculated them manually from ESPN's season totals for Salmons.

Pts/40: 16.14 Reb/40: 5.55 Asst/40: 3.30 TO/40: 2.70 Stl/40: 1.48 Blk/40: 0.49

I got Moon's from the same place, so they may also be off slightly, but I think the gist of what I was saying is pretty clear, Salmons is not obviously better than Moon. In fact, I'd be perfectly delighted to make that trade straight across, if it were legal, and if Toronto were wacky enough to agree.

 

[Gary]

He was looking at Salmons stats as a starter, not a per40/48.

 

[fnordius]

He was looking at Salmons stats as a starter, not a per40/48.

Doh! Missed that.

Moon's starting stats would be virtually unchanged, since he only played off the bench in 2 games.

I guess the burning question with Salmons is whether his respectable stats as a starter are going to make a team rejoice, or if his relatively crappy stats off the bench are going to make them steer clear of him. Off the bench he's more like 11pts per 40, which is AJ/Mikki territory.

 

[BawLa]

Doh! Missed that.

Moon's starting stats would be virtually unchanged, since he only played off the bench in 2 games.

I guess the burning question with Salmons is whether his respectable stats as a starter are going to make a team rejoice, or if his relatively crappy stats off the bench are going to make them steer clear of him. Off the bench he's more like 11pts per 40, which is AJ/Mikki territory.

True, but maybe a team like Toronto would ask a guy like A. Parker to come off the bench behind Salmons. Parker is 32 years old and is in his 5th NBA season. He can give them quality minutes off the bench, especially as a deep threat (shot 43.8% from downtown this season).