[Game] Kings @ Nets, 2/14/2022 4:30pm Pacific 7:30pm Eastern

[The_Jamal]

I don't think it would be wise to start all 3 of the G's considering the Kings don't have a ton of offense runners right now. Maybe Mitchell but that length of Harkless/Holiday has been good. Harkless isn't as good at getting over screens but this allows them to switch, which they need to do more of instead of sitting back and dropping. They have length to help over at the rim finally, they aren't the small midget team they were just a few weeks ago.

I think the Holiday/Harkless and Mitchell/DDV plan is going to keep working pretty well for this season. Start the wing-span bros, close with Mitchell/DDV as we ramp up his minutes.

 

[SacTownKid]

The time to start panicking is around this time next season after a new coach, a full training camp and some reinforcements to shore up the holes around the Fox/Sabonis/Barnes/DDV/Mitchell core if things looks bad. Kind of why we were so stunned the first 2 games is they looked like an offense that had been together for 5 seasons, not a team that acquired 6 new players at the deadline with a fired the head coach mid-year. As Mid pointed out, let's get these guys comfortable playing together and get a head start on building chemistry next season. The play-in this year doesn't really matter.

And like always, pick the wrong coach and this can all go down the tubes. The coach they pick has to know 2 things and 2 things only, how to use Fox and Sabonis. That's the plan here.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think the Holiday/Harkless and Mitchell/DDV plan is going to keep working pretty well for this season. Start the wing-span bros, close with Mitchell/DDV as we ramp up his minutes.

Agreed. And it gives them a way to change things up. Davion and DDV will play passing lanes and hound the ball, Holiday/Harkless can switch. The defense also turned around once they started to play up and switch. They have to do that earlier though. Once you let a team get going they'll hit those tough shots later no matter what you do. Curry got turned off like a faucet once they started to switch. They stupidly double teamed him at times and it cost them but once he felt the pressure the All star illusions faded.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I think they'll get the right coach. It feels like a very consistent vision has been slowly executed over the last 18 months, some dominoes have been slower to fall than others unless another team has poached Monte's short list I'm guessing he's been picking guys with someone in mind. What do I know? Not a lot, but other than the TT move nothing is exactly a head scratcher. DDV and Sabonis were long term targets how often does that happen?

 

[The_Jamal]

And like always, pick the wrong coach and this can all go down the tubes. The coach they pick has to know 2 things and 2 things only, how to use Fox and Sabonis. That's the plan here.

Well Gentry has had an enormous fault already of having extended stretches with all 3 of Fox/Sabonis/Barnes off the floor. Really, they should be staggered where we have Fox or Sabonis on the floor at all times, but he's majorly failed at it even the bare minimum of keeping one your 3 best offensive players on the court.

 

[NiNetNiNe]

Despite this game, I think we are in a good place going forward. Fox, Holiday, Mitchell, and DDV are a good set of guards with 3 of the 4 being borderline elite at defense. Barnes is solid on both offense and defense. Sabonis is at least above average at defense, he is a big body that can handle most centers outside of the Jokic's, and Embiid's. But those are guys that no one is going to stop by themselves. And while Sabonis is not the quickest laterally, he is good enough if we can get a solid PF to put next to him.

Judging by the moves Monte has done, I trust he will be able to fill in the gaps we have. This is, quite literally, the most hopeful I've been for a Kings team in over a decade.

Additionally, I don't know what coaches are out there, but I'm sure Monte already has a few in mind.

 

[EIM86]

And like always, pick the wrong coach and this can all go down the tubes. The coach they pick has to know 2 things and 2 things only, how to use Fox and Sabonis. That's the plan here.

whos your pick? I’m thinking D’Antoni even though the likeliness isn’t high

 

[Tetsujin]

whos your pick? I’m thinking D’Antoni even though the likeliness isn’t high

D’Antoni doesn’t really fit a high post offense and is probably going to be Philly’s top choice to coach them if/when Doc Rivers can’t get them over the hump this year.

we might be better served getting a coach out of the Denver system to help maximize Sabonis’s skill set. Funnily enough, and I swear to god I’m not making this argument based solely on his dad being the best coach in franchise history, the lead assistant for the Nuggets is Dave Adelman, who stepped into for Mike Malone to coach the Nuggets earlier in the year when he got COVID before getting health and safety protocoled himself.

Yes, from the outside it could seem like we’d be going back to the well for the millionth time after asking Vlade to run the team for a few years and having various other members of the glory days team involved in things (DC and Bobby might actually be solid options for coach too!) but Adelman is one of the better young coaches in the league and had played a large part in helping turn Jokic into one of the best players in the league.

 

[EIM86]

D’Antoni doesn’t really fit a high post offense and is probably going to be Philly’s top choice to coach them if/when Doc Rivers can’t get them over the hump this year.

we might be better served getting a coach out of the Denver system to help maximize Sabonis’s skill set. Funnily enough, and I swear to god I’m not making this argument based solely on his dad being the best coach in franchise history, the lead assistant for the Nuggets is Dave Adelman, who stepped into for Mike Malone to coach the Nuggets earlier in the year when he got COVID before getting health and safety protocoled himself.

Yes, from the outside it could seem like we’d be going back to the well for the millionth time after asking Vlade to run the team for a few years and having various other members of the glory days team involved in things (DC and Bobby might actually be solid options for coach too!) but Adelman is one of the better young coaches in the league and had played a large part in helping turn Jokic into one of the best players in the league.

Ooh yah you right. Vivek wants to get young Adelman huh LOL.

 

[NiNetNiNe]

D’Antoni doesn’t really fit a high post offense and is probably going to be Philly’s top choice to coach them if/when Doc Rivers can’t get them over the hump this year.

we might be better served getting a coach out of the Denver system to help maximize Sabonis’s skill set. Funnily enough, and I swear to god I’m not making this argument based solely on his dad being the best coach in franchise history, the lead assistant for the Nuggets is Dave Adelman, who stepped into for Mike Malone to coach the Nuggets earlier in the year when he got COVID before getting health and safety protocoled himself.

Yes, from the outside it could seem like we’d be going back to the well for the millionth time after asking Vlade to run the team for a few years and having various other members of the glory days team involved in things (DC and Bobby might actually be solid options for coach too!) but Adelman is one of the better young coaches in the league and had played a large part in helping turn Jokic into one of the best players in the league.

Not saying we are even considering him, I have no idea how good of a coach he is. If we were to hire Adelman, and he took us to the promise land, it would make a great movie. The son finishing what the father started.

 

[LPKingsFan]

it would make a great movie. The son finishing what the father started.

Sounds great, but isn’t the Jabari Smith discussion for another thread?

 

[Tetsujin]

Sounds great, but isn’t the Jabari Smith discussion for another thread?

Paolo Banchero’s mom played for the Monarchs!

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493683360039796738

 

[steelevt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493683360039796738

That behind the back pass that moe blew the layup on…

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

In fairness to holmes, I dont think its so much him sucking as it is he has been frozen out of the offense. How many PnR having you seen him in? When you see him in it, the guards almost always goes away from him, which eliminates the benefit of the rim runner. They havent even hit him on the high post for push shots. He isnt attempting shots or getting touches so when you have a high energy big, that will be a problem. He isnt the kind of player you run an offense through, but if you are Mitchell, DDV, or Fox, your penetration skills are good enough to use him effectively, and the thing is, Fox used to do just that, but Gentry's system has eliminated Holmes from being effective. he hasnt been involved since Walton was fired. Even Mark Jones commented yesterday on the push shot that he hit, "how long has it been since we have seen that push shot". They need to look for him in the PnR more, he will get them easier buckets. When you put him in the PnR, he will also be able to get offensive rebounds, but they have him (on offense and defense) patrolling the mid range, that takes him away from the rim and eliminates his effectiveness. Gentry is using him poorly.

Yeah, Walton used Holmes as a focal point of their offense and turned him into one of the most efficient players in the league. I think he is the one player who lost something when Luke was fired. If you never get him any looks from 8-15 feet, it removes a big chunk of his value

 

[sactowndog]

Eh...yeah but they missed a lot of shots that they wouldnt have otherwise. I also dont think that they will be as bad from the perimeter on most games as they were. Up until this game, Barnes was scorching from the 3. I saw more airballs launched from the 3 (esp DDV who airballed 2 or 3) than even bad shooters get. Just like not reading into the first 2 games too much, i dont want to read too much into this game.

yeah I didn’t see the game as I stated. But a shot even at the rim can be challenging if you are negotiating multiple defenders. But if that wasn’t the case and they just missed open lay-ups then perhaps they will be better.

 

[sactowndog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493683360039796738

Yeah Moe should have finished it but in both those Clips Brooklyn had 3-4 defenders in the paint. That does make those shots harder when the defenders are not honoring the 3 point shooters at all.