Kings Need a Big Man

[Bricklayer]

Yes, the Kings need a better defensive pf than Thompson.

As an aside, Thompson shoots too much. I don't want Thompson posting up unless he has a guard on him; otherwise he's taking shots away from others that should take the shots. The roles on this team are not clearly defined enough.

Jaosn doesn't shoot too much. The coach/scheme has him shoot too much (if he does), there is a difference. Jason plays a role. When we call a play posting him up on one side, he takes the shot. He almost never takes a shot outside the offense or without being set up.

 

[bajaden]

I actually would disagree to this point: I don't think we need to hit. I don't we needed to hit last year. I think we are idiots. But I think that Cousins/Evans/Thornton, right there, alone is the core of a very godo team. Given a real coach. Given a real organization. Adn all that was needed to make that work were good roleplayers. Nto Jimmer. Not Salmons. Not any of the muddled bullcrap tryign too hard and showing no confidence in what you had. Just get us some shooters and defenders and a real coach and we were good to go.

Now coming ito this year we have added another good young player in IT. Fine. So now we REALLY don't need any special hit. The guys who would make a competent organization win are already here. We don't need a savior. We just need to one way or the other find ourselves the right roleplayers (AND A COACH). Could be a kid in the draft. A free agent. Somebody in trade. Does not matter. The talent is here. The Bobcats...now they can't afford to bust. They have no talent. Everything has to count. Us? This is a cherry on top for us. We have specific needs now, not a general talent need.

I agree and disagree. I agree that we don't need another 15 to 20 point a game scorer. But we do have a need at SF and PF, and I think choosing someone that can be a player at one of those positions for the future is important. Picking a hard working talented player should be a prerequisite. What we don't need is a player that ends up being another Whiteside for two or three years. You can have an impact player, without that player being your 1st, 2nd or 3rd scoring option. And I might add, that having a guy that shot 67% from the floor in college, like Davis did, join a team thats shooting 43% overall, shouldn't be something to sneer at. We stink at both ends of the floor, and to simply look the other way on the offensive end and pretend we don't have problems is tunnel vision.

But first things first! We need to fix something, and that first something should be defense. I can see Davis, Gilchrist, and yes, Robinson helping in that area. And any immediate help we can get from the draft would be a plus. I also think Robinson can defend two positions. PF and SF. He's a terrific athlete with good lateral quickness. Hell, he might even be able to play SF on a regular basis is he can develop, and or, refine some of his skills.

 

[SacTownKid]

The only problem with JT is that defense is far from his calling card, he just doesn't have a lot of those instincts. His value is probably somewhere between being a production type and a hustle player. He's probably be better next to a dominant defensive big. He'd make a great running mate to a player like Dwight Howard.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

I also think Robinson can defend two positions. PF and SF. He's a terrific athlete with good lateral quickness. Hell, he might even be able to play SF on a regular basis is he can develop, and or, refine some of his skills.

If true, Robinson would be among the players I covet most if the Kings aren't able to land Davis.

My top 5 for the Kings (assuming Robinson is a 3):

1- Anthony Davis
2t- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2t- Thomas Robinson
4-Harrison Barnes
5- Kendall Marshall

 

[Tetsujin]

If true, Robinson would be among the players I covet most if the Kings aren't able to land Davis.

My top 5 for the Kings (assuming Robinson is a 3):

1- Anthony Davis
2t- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2t- Thomas Robinson
4-Harrison Barnes
5- Kendall Marshall

Uhhh what? I kind of (read: barely) get the Barnes choice there but we need another guard like the Maloofs need more debt.

 

[KingsCitizen]

IMO, for JT to be a more effective player next to DMC, Smart should give him the license to shoot those 15 footers. JT can consistently hit those mid range jumpers during his first 2 years in the league.

That'll give DMC additional space to operate down low. Neither Whiteside nor Hayes have a mid range game which makes doubling on Cousins easier especially those teams with very mobile bigs like OKC.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Uhhh what? I kind of (read: barely) get the Barnes choice there but we need another guard like the Maloofs need more debt.

I don't care how many guards the Kings have as they have yet to find a bone fide starter. Until someone steps up and entrenches themselves as the starter for the foreseeable future, I'd still be on the lookout. Marshall may be the pass-first, pure PG the team has been seeking for some time, which is why he's on my list. He's great at getting the ball in the hands of those that can score ball in the spots they want it.

My list is a combination of BPA and need. Davis is the BPA, while Gilchrist, Robinson & Barnes are BPA at the biggest position of need. Beyond a SF, I still rank PG as the next position of need. While Thomas and Reke look promising, there's no guarantee either will take the position over.

 

[mac]

IMO, for JT to be a more effective player next to DMC, Smart should give him the license to shoot those 15 footers. JT can consistently hit those mid range jumpers during his first 2 years in the league.

That'll give DMC additional space to operate down low. Neither Whiteside nor Hayes have a mid range game which makes doubling on Cousins easier especially those teams with very mobile bigs like OKC.

JT could also consistently hit those free throws during his first 2 years in the league. Some things change ..

 

[kennadog]

I heard there was this one big man available last offseason. I forget his name, but he used to play for us before...something like...Sammy D? Gee, he would have been nice to have this season...

Problem was, Sammy D wanted to forget Sacramento. You know the Kings offered him more than he actually accepted from the other team, right?

 

[hrdboild]

Problem was, Sammy D wanted to forget Sacramento. You know the Kings offered him more than he actually accepted from the other team, right?

It seems that way, but it also seems like we withdrew our offer when we got the medical clearance for Chuck Hayes because we'd rather have Hayes than Dalembert.

 

[Kingster]

Jaosn doesn't shoot too much. The coach/scheme has him shoot too much (if he does), there is a difference. Jason plays a role. When we call a play posting him up on one side, he takes the shot. He almost never takes a shot outside the offense or without being set up.

He may post up because the coaches want him to set up, but if that's the case, then the coaches need to tell him to stop unless he has a small guy on him. Now if he's outside and has an open 15-18 footer, great, shoot the ball. But right now he's playing over his head with this inside game.

 

[Kingster]

Here's the main question with Drummond. Are the Kings, at this stage of their rebuild (using the term loosely) in a postion to take a chance on a huge question mark like Drummond? No one denys his talent or his upside. If we end up with a top three pick, we can't afford to miss. We need to choose a player with ability, upside, work ethic, and confidence.

No, you don't take the chance. Like I've said before, his risk on the Kings is a lot higher than his risk on SA or Boston. The last thing this team needs is a talented guy without a motor.

 

[Gilles]

Wonder how much Dalembert will cost this off-season and what is Hayes' trade value? I realise there's no way Kings FO turns around but it's still highly entertaining idea.

 

[Tetsujin]

I don't care how many guards the Kings have as they have yet to find a bone fide starter. Until someone steps up and entrenches themselves as the starter for the foreseeable future, I'd still be on the lookout. Marshall may be the pass-first, pure PG the team has been seeking for some time, which is why he's on my list. He's great at getting the ball in the hands of those that can score ball in the spots they want it.

My list is a combination of BPA and need. Davis is the BPA, while Gilchrist, Robinson & Barnes are BPA at the biggest position of need. Beyond a SF, I still rank PG as the next position of need. While Thomas and Reke look promising, there's no guarantee either will take the position over.

And there is a guarantee that Marshall will? Keep in mind that he'll also be coming off of surgery.

 

[Section 101]

Wonder how much Dalembert will cost this off-season and what is Hayes' trade value? I realise there's no way Kings FO turns around but it's still highly entertaining idea.

You realize Dalembert started strong and has faded fast? He lost his starting job to Camby after they got him at the trade deadline.

 

[Bricklayer]

You realize Dalembert started strong and has faded fast? He lost his starting job to Camby after they got him at the trade deadline.

If you look at his splits there really isn't much difference at all between his pre and post All Star numbers. I suspect, without knowing, that the Camby starting move was more about Camby's needs/desires etc. than it was about Daly.

In any case either guy is >>>>>>>>>>>> what we've got at the moment.

 

[Tetsujin]

If you look at his splits there really isn't much difference at all between his pre and post All Star numbers. I suspect, without knowing, that the Camby starting move was more about Camby's needs/desires etc. than it was about Daly.

In any case either guy is >>>>>>>>>>>> what we've got at the moment.

Or we could just draft Davis and all of this would be a moot point.

 

[bajaden]

He may post up because the coaches want him to set up, but if that's the case, then the coaches need to tell him to stop unless he has a small guy on him. Now if he's outside and has an open 15-18 footer, great, shoot the ball. But right now he's playing over his head with this inside game.

Jason is hardly the problem with this team and its shooting.

Cousins: 15.5 attempts per game while shooting 44.5% from the floor
Thornton: 15.8 attempts per game while shooting 43.8% from the floor
Evans: 14.3 attempts per game while shooting 44.8% from the floor
Thomas: 8.8 attempts per game while shooting 44.7% from the floor
Thompson: 6.8 attempts per game while shooting 52.5% from the floor

If anything, you could make a case that Thompson should shoot more since he's the most efficient shooter on the entire team. Even Greene in his 14 minutes per game takes more shots per minute than Thompson while shooting a blistering 41.2% from the floor. Cut back on JT's attempts and he might as well not even be involved in the offense. As a matter of fact, when it comes to overall shooting percentages, Thompson is the only player on the team that is above the league average for his position.

 

[bajaden]

Or we could just draft Davis and all of this would be a moot point.

If it were only that easy!

 

[bajaden]

And there is a guarantee that Marshall will? Keep in mind that he'll also be coming off of surgery.

I agree that there's no guarantee that Marshall would take over the starting spot, but I doubt his surgery will have much to do with it. He was almost ready to play in the last game North Carolina played. He had the cast off two days after the surgery. Plus the problem wasn't with his shooting hand. It isn't as though he tore his ACL or something equivilent.

 

[mjokc]

OKC will trade you Perk / Ibaka for Cousins & Thompson anytime, anywhere.