Give it up to Davion as well. Super efficient night for him.
All 3 of him Keon and Monk really stepped up to fill the Fox void
Give it up to Davion as well. Super efficient night for him.
The easy answer was to say the kings are a good team but we have full confidence in the guys in this locker room. Instead we get a smirk and a declaration that they will likely beat us 4 times in a row in a series. Good to have confidence but also sounds like a good way to lose to us or another team you don’t respect come playoff time.
Mechanics can be fixed over time. Mental cannot be fixed over time. If it were mechanics, why are we all still here, in the beginning of March, talking about Monk's free throw struggles if these free throw struggles have existed since the beginning of the season? Surely, if the coaching staff saw mechanical flaws in Malik's free throws, these would have already been addressed. You agree with me?
It's all mental at this point, my friend. Any other argument is just a last gasp attempt at putting blame on someone just for the sake of putting blame on that person.
I'm not particularly inclined to "flame away", but I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever seen someone so dedicated to making the argument that coaches are responsible for their players' mental lapses. This isn't a middle school rec league. These are professional basketball players. They need to be responsible for their own weaknesses at the line, particularly in clutch moments. It's some kind of strangeness to blame Mike Brown for Malik Monk's newfound inability to hit either of his free throws when presented with clutch opportunities at the end of a game.
Huh? Davion was 7/8 and scored 16, and was good defensively.Less Davion, more Keon please.
Tonight he was pretty good, he is lacking defensively versus Keon when it comes to steals and altering/affecting shots. Davion had a good offensive game tonight for sure, and if he can keep that up he will be able to help some other team for sure. But Keon I feel has more of an impact on the game for what the team needs. So in the future I would prefer to see more Keon and less Davion.Huh? Davion was 7/8 and scored 16, and was good defensively.
The coaches absolutely influence how the players are physically and mentally performing on the floor. Otherwise, the coaches are of no use. These people are human beings ahead of "professional basketball players". Not surprisingly, they react to influences as a human being first. Thus, it is incumbent on the coaching staff to deal with perceived weaknesses, whether they be physical or mental, in a way to strengthen and improve performance through positive human interactions.
Ah the "coach is mentally abusing his players" guy is back
Tonight he was pretty good, he is lacking defensively versus Keon when it comes to steals and altering/affecting shots. Davion had a good offensive game tonight for sure, and if he can keep that up he will be able to help some other team for sure. But Keon I feel has more of an impact on the game for what the team needs. So in the future I would prefer to see more Keon and less Davion.
Is that better?
So much concern about free throws. I'm going to say it one last time. Poor free throw shooting, by otherwise able shooters, is a COACHING issue. How it is taught and practiced, how it is rewarded/punished, how it is mentally prepared for, all factor into results. The King's coaches need a comprehensive course in educational and performance improvement techniques.
Now all the rabid fans on here can chime in about how wrong this take is while without a clue about a real solution to this year-long weakness. Flame away.
I'm excited about Keon's future with this team. Dude just absolutely nails the exact archetype we want to be putting next to Fox/Domas/Keegan/Monk offensive core.
Not quite sure he's starting-caliber yet, but I'm damn sure he's going to be a good NBA rotation player and directly addresses what our team sucks at.
That’s fair. Keon is a beast with his hands in terms of steals and deflections. He’s much longer and a MUCH better help defender than Davion, but Davion is better in terms of moving laterally and playing solid man defense. I agree that Keon needs more PT, but let’s not take away the fact that Davion has been solid for a while now, just not this last game. Would be interesting to see what Keon looks like starting next to Fox.
Keegan is more than capable of defending quicker wings. In fact, he does it on a routine basis. The fact that he’s also the POA defender in the zone is further evidence to support this claim.I like Keon also but he isn’t big enough to defend larger wings. He is longer though to
play the 2.
I also thought Davion played very well as he often has when given more minutes.
to me it just highlights the lack of balance and lack of length on this team…. We have too many guys who are best with the ball in their hands and too many stretch 4’s. We lack good wing defenders who can stretch the floor at the 2 and 3. Pair that with a center that can’t defend the rim and it spells defensive challenges…..
Length as Wingspan and standing reach
Bold defender. Italics plus shooter
Malik Monk 6’4” …… ???
Davion Mitchell 6’4.25”…. 8’ 0.5”
Fox 6’6.5” ……. 8’ 4”
Keon Ellis 6’8.5” …. 8’6”. (Plays as ball handler)
Not long enough to guard bigger wings.
Duarte 6’7” …… ???
Huerter 6’ 7.5 … 8’ 5.5”
Colby Jones 6’8”…. 8’ 7”
Edwards 6’11.25” ….. 8’10”
not quick enough to guard quicker wings.
Barnes 6’11” ….. 8’ 5.5”
Keegan 6’ 11” …. 8’ 10” ??? (Chris combine)
Lyles. 7’ 1”….. 9”
Sasha 7’ 1” ……. ??
I mean we pretty much have the same squad as last year with the same coaching staff. Last year we were at 79% for the season (still not great) and this year we’re sitting at 72% (awful). What changes in coaching, since you believe it’s the coaches fault, has led to this 7% drop in FT percentage? Do you believe they don’t practice free throws? Do you believe Coach Brown is a meanie and is in these guys heads? And if you really believe it’s the coaches fault that we’re shooting FT so poorly, what do you suggest be done from a coaching standpoint to remedy this situation? Again, because obviously it’s the coaching that’s leading to the missed free throws.
Keegan is more than capable of defending quicker wings. In fact, he does it on a routine basis. The fact that he’s also the POA defender in the zone is further evidence to support this claim.
The expected reply from "Mr. Straw Man" showing bias without rationality. Ignorance is correctable, so give it a try. (Note: "Ignorance" is not intended in a negative fashion.)
This is what I would like to see too. Keon as the starting SG makes a lot of sense. It just leaves us with a big question mark of what happens to Kevin Huerter. Probably a trade.
Huerter is our weak link I would happily give Ellis an extended look at the 2.Keon at the 2 makes a ton of sense. And he's shown he can operate as a primary ball handler too, giving him more flexibility.
I'd like to see what he can do vs bigger wings. We say he can't guard down, but we really haven't seen it. What I'd those lightning quick hands translate?
was ... that ... against ... us?Doubly so when the last playoff series win in franchise history was 20 years ago.
Just because we don't have anyone else does not support that claim. He struggles against Booker, Edwards, Shai and other quicker players. Their is a reason Fox shifts onto those guys on defense. Fox isn't really long enough but he can stay in front of them. Booker ate us up until we put Edwards on him. These comments are not a slam on Keegan. I think he is a very good defender.
Just for fun I looked at length across 4, 3, 2's as a comparison for Kings and the other top 6 western teams. I had to make some judgement calls like I put Fox in that group because he is bigger than Davion or Malik and has to play the bigger players on defense. Did the same thing with Shai. It is interesting when you compare standing reach across the wing players and teams we do well and teams with whom we struggle. Pels and Clippers are clearly longer with the Pels the worst. Clippers are a bit better for us as Powell and Mann aren't terribly long. I put OKC as yellow as they can flip Jalen and Shai to guard and bring in Cason Wallace and Jaylin Williams and get longer quickly.
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Keon at the 2 makes a ton of sense. And he's shown he can operate as a primary ball handler too, giving him more flexibility.
I'd like to see what he can do vs bigger wings. We say he can't guard down, but we really haven't seen it. What I'd those lightning quick hands translate?
No but that was maybe the last season I had hope we could win a chip and I just walked the math back 20 years and cried a little.Well, yeah -- but we're talking KG and Latrell vs. Bibby and Peja so not at all relevant to whatever might happen this season. Unless you're looking for more bulletin board material in which case you can add vengeance and disrespect to the board and underline them.![]()
No but that was maybe the last season I had hope we could win a chip and I just walked the math back 20 years and cried a little.
Isn't it interesting though that out of all the players you listed, the guy with the shortest wingspan (Fox) is the one leading the league in deflections per game? He's also second to SGA in steals per game.