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matthew76

matthew76

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First time i take a crack at being a GM. I keep hearing that the Mavs want Martin, and that we want Dalembert. I decided to combine the two trades.

Outgoing Sac:
Kevin Martin= $9.6M
Andres Nocioni= $7.5M
Kenny Thomas=$8.7M

Incoming Sac:
A. Iguodala= $12.2M
S. Dalembert= $12M

Why Kings do it: C'mon, this is one of the better ideas out here for Sac to do. Get a shot-blocker, and we get to try and pair up Reke with Iguodala.


Outgoing Mavs:
Josh Howard: $10.8M
Matt Carroll: $4.7M

Incoming Mavs:
Kevin Martin: $9.6M
A. Nocioni: $7.5M

Why Mavs do it: They unload Josh and Carroll, both of whom they do not like that much. They get back Martin and take on Nocioni's contract. Mav's fans salivate at the chance of getting Martin.

Outgoing Philly:
A. Iguodala: $12.2M
S. Dalembert: $12M

Incoming Philly:
Josh Howard: $10.8M
Matt Carroll: $4.7M
Kenny Thomas: $8.7M

Why Philly does this: They get an expiring in THomas. They give Josh a chance, if he doesn't work, he has a team option for next year. Carroll is there to fill in any void left by Iguodala leaving. This is mostly a salary dump for them.
 
Um...either a) great minds think alike, or b) my idea from last week has spun off, circulated through the ether, and returned home like a homing pigeon.
 
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Entity said:
I don't watch much philly. what does Iggy provide that Kevin doesn't?
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Iggy is actually a bigger stronger faster athlete than Kevin. Iggy does everything better except score points: defense, passing and rebounding. Iggy has also proven to be more durable than Kevin, and he is younger by about a year. Iggy is paid more, about $2 million more per year for the next 4 years, and there is a 5th year on his deal @ $15 million.

I am a big fan of K-Mart, but I would deal him for Iggy, especially since I think he fits better with Tyreke.
 
Entity said:
I don't watch much philly. what does Iggy provide that Kevin doesn't?
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Iggy is like the anti-Martin. He's a good defender. Good rebounder for his position. And a decent to good passer. Not a good outside shooter. He's more of a slasher midrange scorer. He's certainly a more physical player and I believe a little younger. I'm not sure how he would fit with Evans because he plays mostly around the basket, but so far, Martin isn't fitting either. He would certainly bring more toughness to the team.
 
i like iggy but that wouldnt work... granted it isnt working with martin but it would be just as bad with iggy(i doubt he'll shoot 1-7 but still) he isnt much of a shooter and is mostly a slasher. what does evans do? slash... drive to the basket... maybe he would work at sf but we also have half of our roster playing that position.

he couldnt help spread the floor and to be honest, he plays just like evans.. except he's more athletic but for some reason doesnt score as much. probably because he always takes a back seat to other veteran players, first iverson, then andre miller, now brand; and iverson again... he's putting up 17.4/6.8/5.7...
 
bajaden said:
Iggy is like the anti-Martin. He's a good defender. Good rebounder for his position. And a decent to good passer. Not a good outside shooter. He's more of a slasher midrange scorer. He's certainly a more physical player and I believe a little younger. I'm not sure how he would fit with Evans because he plays mostly around the basket, but so far, Martin isn't fitting either. He would certainly bring more toughness to the team.
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I think that even undersells it a bit.

- He's the best rebounder among SG by a wide margin. 6.8 to Kobe's 2nd 5.5.
- He's 2nd in assists to D-Wade 6.2 to 5.7.
- He might be the best defensive SG in the game. His physical skills are unmatched.

Doing all that and operating as a pseudo-point for his team. He's not Scottie Pippen, but he's the closest player to Pippen I think we've seen since.

We'd still need a scoring post, but we'd be on our way to a dynamic defense. Evans, Iggy, and Greene just trapping, deflecting and harassing all over the offensive end. Just nasty.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Um...either a) great minds think alike, or b) my idea from lat week has spun off, circulated through the eitehr, and returned home like a homing pigeon.
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I just assumed great minds were thinking alike, even in the face of near identicalness. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe I'm too nice.:D
 
hammystyle said:
I think that even undersells it a bit.

- He's the best rebounder among SG by a wide margin. 6.8 to Kobe's 2nd 5.5.
- He's 2nd in assists to D-Wade 6.2 to 5.7.
- He might be the best defensive SG in the game. His physical skills are unmatched.

Doing all that and operating as a pseudo-point for his team. He's not Scottie Pippen, but he's the closest player to Pippen I think we've seen since.

We'd still need a scoring post, but we'd be on our way to a dynamic defense. Evans, Iggy, and Greene just trapping, deflecting and harassing all over the offensive end. Just nasty.
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I was trying to error on the side of being conservative. But I do like Iggy. And, I would do this trade in a heartbeat. The only team I'm not sure would do this trade is Philly. They're giving up a lot of talent, but then I'm not sure why they wanted to trade Iggy and Dalembert in the first place.
 
I liked this deal when Brick proposed it.

I like it now.

Do it to it GP...do it to it.

One question that arose from the other replies is whether sharp-shooting ability at the 2 is a must. I definitely understand the logic behind it (spreading the floor), but what if our SF is the sharpshooter? Or is that just not enough?

I personally would take Iggy's Defense over shooting ability.

Last question...how's his mid-range game?
 
CBO said:
I liked this deal when Brick proposed it.

I like it now.

Do it to it GP...do it to it.

One question that arose from the other replies is whether sharp-shooting ability at the 2 is a must. I definitely understand the logic behind it (spreading the floor), but what if our SF is the sharpshooter? Or is that just not enough?

I personally would take Iggy's Defense over shooting ability.

Last question...how's his mid-range game?
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A lot of people would say he's just not a good shooter, but I think he's improved his mid-range game quite a bit. He's a very good passer and he's also an unselfish player. Hey who needs a sharpshooting 2 guard when we've got Hawes out there.:D
 
or this one:

Sac gets: Z. Ilgauskas and JJ Hickson
Cavs Get: H. Armstrong, S. May, A. Nocioni

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yknumd4


or:

Sac gets;: R. Beaubois, JJ Hickson, Z. Ilgauskas, and Drew Gooden. We can cut Gooden once we get him.
Dallas Gets: Kevin Martin
Cleveland: A. Nocioni, Matt Carroll, and S. Rodriguez.

Why Sac: essentially swapping Sergio with Roddy. We get an expiring in Z. and we get JJ hickson
Why Dallas: They get K-Mart
Why Cleveland: they get a pass-first PG in Sergio. They may think Nocioni helps them get over the top. And Carroll is a filler

or



Sac gets: Al Jefferson and JJ Hickson
Timberwolves get: Kevin Martin and J. Williams
Cleveland gets: Jason Thompson

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfcojaw
 
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est.1999 said:
Webber expired for the sixers. We still have Kenny Thomas. Hardly a lose lose all around IMO
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He was such a poor fit there they bought his contract out early. Everyone talked about how that trade was going to turn Philly into contenders, instead it pretty much destroyed whatever fragile team chemistry they had. It was the rare trade that made both teams worse for making it.

Yeah, we still have a few more months of Kenny but at least we got Evans when we hit rock bottom. The Sixers are still pretty much a mess.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
He was such a poor fit there they bought his contract out early. Everyone talked about how that trade was going to turn Philly into contenders, instead it pretty much destroyed whatever fragile team chemistry they had. It was the rare trade that made both teams worse for making it.

Yeah, we still have a few more months of Kenny but at least we got Evans when we hit rock bottom. The Sixers are still pretty much a mess.
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They're not still a mess becuase of that deal.
 
Bricklayer said:
They're not still a mess becuase of that deal.
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No, and as fun as it is to blame everything on Kenny, neither are we. If one didn't know better one might think Kenny was getting 20 million a year by the way we talk about him. He's a bad contract who brought an even worse attitude for much of his tenure, but our real failing was all the MLE signings (especially for a team in cost-cutting mode), one bad draft pick, and the denial of ownership/management to cut the cords from what remained of a contender and start rebuilding.

I think I will go shower now.
 
I tend to be of the idea that Iggy and Reke won't fit well. Sure we'd get two multidimensional players who can play on both ends of the court, but at the same time they sort of duplicate each other--both are ball-dominant and can't space the floor with their streaky long range shooting. Frankly, that isn't even the guy we should be pursuing. I know the Sixers are trying to band Dalembert with Iggypop as the sweetener, but we should get someone else here.
 
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