Kings @ Magic Game Thread

[Ryle]

Here's a thought. Send Corliss, who is actually pretty fearless, inside and see if he can draw a foul or two from Howard. Then, since Corliss will probably get as many as he draws, send in Skinner for the same thing. You get Howard with 3 or 4 fouls and you just might be able to make some legitimate moves inside without the little sissy boys turning coward and kicking the ball to the bleeping safety valve in the corner, especially since the safety valve wasn't working ... at all.

Peace.

What seems rather odd to me is that everyone was afraid of Howard and he only ended up with 1 block and 3 fouls.....couldn't have tried to draw that 4th one????

 

[JJ22L]

Hart wasn't the only one, Brad missed open shots, Mike missed open shots, Peja missed open shots, Garcia missed some open shots, Kevin missed some open shots... etc.

Everybody misses open shots...VERY FEW miss them habitually. And you wont see me defending peja ever, so dont even both using that as a comparison.

 

[KP]

If people want to believe Adelman is an idiot because he doesn't use two players that would have a hard time getting in the game on a lot of NBA teams thats fine. I'm tired of arguing the point. Our D was fine, our rebounding improved in the 2nd half, our offense was sporadic but we got open shots, they just didn't fall.

 

[NanaKing]

Everybody misses open shots...VERY FEW miss them habitually.

Wouldn't you think after 40 minutes that RA would try someone else????

 

[JJ22L]

Everybody misses open shots...VERY FEW miss them habitually.

Wouldn't you think after 40 minutes that RA would try someone else????

Not sure how to take this one, are you with me or against me on that comment.

 

[KP]

VERY FEW miss them habitually. quote]Exactly. Most nights some of those go down, we win the game, and we aren't here arguing about whether some scrubs might or might not be better equipped to get us points than Reef, KT, MIke or Brad. We couldn't get points, thats why we lost, I'll take the guys that were in over Skinner and Corliss to get me points almost every time. Hoping they could come in and maybe draw a foul (Skinner can really shoot free throws BTW) over one of those guys being able to score is just not sound.

 

[KP]

Well, if You are scared of Howard - You should be scared of Alonzo too

He's going to be a monster, he's blocking shots all over the place.

 

[JJ22L]

Sticking with a losing method ALSO isnt sound...if Hart is missing, pull him. They should of pulled peja at the end..he was 4-18 or some horrible thing like that. I dont care if you think that corliss or skinner dont have an inside game. What we had WAS NOT working, why stick with it? Try something new you might get lucky, Lord knows it couldnt have gotten worse offensively.

 

[6th]

our offense was sporadic but we got open shots, they just didn't fall.

Hell, our offense was almost non-existant. And there was none to be found at the end of the 4th or the entire OT. A good coach makes adjustments. Adelman is stubborn and it may very well have cost us the game.

I will never say that Adelman is a bad coach, but I really believe (in my heart) that his heart is not in it this year. He will walk at the end of this season and he knows it.

 

[VF21]

KP - Are you intentionally missing the point or have I lost the ability to communicate my thoughts effectively?

Primarily, my main complaint is that Adelman kept positioning someone in the corner so they could be used as a safety valve. Wide open looks or not, they were not only NOT falling, it became ludicrous to see how many times the guys wussed out instead of facing the big mean Howard in the paint. Hell, SAR went against him and his bleeping jaw is wired shut. Why Miller or KT or, God forbid, Peja couldn't do it is beyond my poor little head to comprehend.

The comment about Corliss and Skinner was that I'm pretty sure both of them would have at least played in the paint and possibly drawn a foul or - saints preserve us - maybe even two from the great God Howard.

Adelman isn't an idiot but IMHO he sure played one tonight on TV.

Peace, KP. We'll just have to vehemently disagree. I love this team but what I saw tonight convinced me it's time for more than just a minor roster adjustment. I might even welcome Bobby Knight at this point. At least he'd throw a chair or something if his players didn't show some cajones.

 

[Ryle]

If people want to believe Adelman is an idiot because he doesn't use two players that would have a hard time getting in the game on a lot of NBA teams thats fine. I'm tired of arguing the point. Our D was fine, our rebounding improved in the 2nd half, our offense was sporadic but we got open shots, they just didn't fall.

I think most people agree that the reason why we lost the game was not because Corliss and Skinner didn't play. But, contrary to your thought, these are proven NBA players and one former sixth man of the year who don't mind mixing it up inside. When you are a team that is soft as my 3 year olds butt it would help to have a little bit of muscle inside and for some reason the coach won't play them. I think that's most peoples frustration.....at least mine.

 

[JJ22L]

I think most people agree that the reason why we lost the game was not because Corliss and Skinner didn't play. But, contrary to your thought, these are proven NBA players and one former sixth man of the year who don't mind mixing it up inside. When you are a team that is soft as my 3 year olds butt it would help to have a little bit of muscle inside and for some reason the coach won't play them. I think that's most peoples frustration.....at least mine.

ding ding ding..Offense wasnt working, SKinner and Corliss could NOT HAVE HURT to be put in a little bit to see if they could draw something. Worse thing that could happen is they both trade fouls with howard, get him in foul trouble and low and behold, we might get some people going into the lane more. The whole "shots just werent falling" reminds me of the kings coaching staff, i never accept that from then, thusly i never accept it from anyone on this board.

 

[KP]

Guys and ladies... calm down and come to the realization that this team is not half as talented as you think it is, that we are going to lose a lot of games, and that Petrie needs to make some moves to undo the mess HE created and you will be a lot happier throughout this season.

 

[NanaKing]

VF....Bobby Knight! Honey, I may do as you ask and COME KILL YOU! (smile) At least with BK, they would play or sit. (maybe a chair or two in the mix would wake us up)

 

[Ryle]

soft as my 3 year olds butt.

Hope the internet police don't read this and come knocking on my door

 

[6th]

VERY FEW miss them habitually. quote]Exactly. Most nights some of those go down, we win the game, and we aren't here arguing about whether some scrubs might or might not be better equipped to get us points than Reef, KT, MIke or Brad. We couldn't get points, thats why we lost, I'll take the guys that were in over Skinner and Corliss to get me points almost every time. Hoping they could come in and maybe draw a foul (Skinner can really shoot free throws BTW) over one of those guys being able to score is just not sound.

You are missing the point that many are trying to make, KP. It isn't so much about getting points from Skinner and Corliss. It is more about them being unafraid to take it to Howard and maybe, just maybe, trying to get him into foul trouble. That would open up the lane a bit to get guys inside to score because nobody's (yes, that was nobody's) shot was falling. Relying on jumpers and making no adjustment to change things cost us this game. And, that falls squarely on Adelman.


oops! I quoted the wrong post. sorry, JJ22L. This was meant for KP's post.

 

[BMiller52]

Look at my sig now.

 

[KP]

ding ding ding..Offense wasnt working, SKinner and Corliss could NOT HAVE HURT to be put in a little bit to see if they could draw something. Worse thing that could happen is they both trade fouls with howard, get him in foul trouble and low and behold, we might get some people going into the lane more.

After the game, we see it probably couldn't have hurt, but in the moment the guys on the floor had a much greater chance of being able to get it going offensively than either of those two. Again if we were getting killed at the other end I would agree with you guys but we weren't.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

If people want to believe Adelman is an idiot because he doesn't use two players that would have a hard time getting in the game on a lot of NBA teams thats fine. I'm tired of arguing the point. Our D was fine, our rebounding improved in the 2nd half, our offense was sporadic but we got open shots, they just didn't fall.

Corliss was sixth man of the year..

 

[JJ22L]

Guys and ladies... calm down and come to the realization that this team is not half as talented as you think it is, that we are going to lose a lot of games, and that Petrie needs to make some moves to undo the mess HE created and you will be a lot happier throughout this season.

It's all good. You are misunderstanding my interpretation of this. If you are coaching and implementing something that IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK, why in the hell do you stay with it? I would rather change to something that HAS A CHANCE of working than something that OBVIOUSLY DOSENT, regardless of talent on the team, its just incredibly stupid and ignorant not to.

 

[KP]

You are missing the point that many are trying to make, KP. It isn't so much about getting points from Skinner and Corliss. It is more about them being unafraid to take it to Howard and maybe, just maybe, trying to get him into foul trouble. That would open up the lane a bit to get guys inside to score because nobody's (yes, that was nobody's) shot was falling. Relying on jumpers and making no adjustment to change things cost us this game. And, that falls squarely on Adelman.

I saw PLAYERS afraid to take it at Howard, not Adelman. Guys standing out there were a safety valve he ran High screen and got his guys rolling to the basket, they didn't think they could challenge Howard, and passed it out.

 

[KP]

Corliss was sixth man of the year..

Not this year.

 

[JJ22L]

I saw PLAYERS afraid to take it at Howard, not Adelman. Guys standing out there were a safety valve he ran High screen and got his guys rolling to the basket, they didn't think they could challenge Howard, and passed it out.

Forget it, this is pointless, obviously i need to work on my vernacular, when i figure out some way to get my point across ill be back. Hopefully someone would have done it by then.

 

[Ryle]

After the game, we see it probably couldn't have hurt, but in the moment the guys on the floor had a much greater chance of being able to get it going offensively than either of those two. Again if we were getting killed at the other end I would agree with you guys but we weren't.

It is easier for us fans.....after the fact....to criticize but I have been beating this issue into the ground and for the life of me can't understand why Skinner does not get time in every game. He brings everything we need but because he's not a very good offensive player he sits on the bench.

 

[KP]

It is easier for us fans.....after the fact....to criticize but I have been beating this issue into the ground and for the life of me can't understand why Skinner does not get time in every game. He brings everything we need but because he's not a very good offensive player he sits on the bench.

I know, it can be frustrating, but you have to step back and think about how big of a difference it would really make in the big picture. On those nights when we are getting killed inside you are right on Ryle, but tonight wasn't one of those nights.

 

[JJ22L]

I know, it can be frustrating, but you have to step back and think about how big of a difference it would really make in the big picture. On those nights when we are getting killed inside you are right on Ryle, but tonight wasn't one of those nights.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

When something isn't working, you try something else to see if it works. Rick might as well have been a vegetable.

 

[JJ22L]

When something isn't working, you try something else to see if it works. Rick might as well have been a vegetable.

....exactly what my point is...thank you BLNINJA for comforting me in the fact that some people get what im trying to say.

 

[piksi]

Not this year.

he couldn't even be 10 man of the year

 

[6th]

When something isn't working, you try something else to see if it works. Rick might as well have been a vegetable.

Oh, BLNINJA #81, can I borrow that?