Kings JT to Atl discussed but declinded

[Mike0476]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-101112-14/testing-early-trade-winds

SAC recently offered Jason Thompson to Hawks for PG Jeff Teague. ATL declined.

 

[Tetsujin]

Another report being reported by the magic "source close to the situation". I'll take is with a massive salt shaker worth of salt.

 

[gunks]

Pretty awful trade if true.

Undersized SGs in the mold of Teague are a dime a dozen.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Jeff Teague? Because With Tyreke and Beno and Head and Jeter, what this team REALLY needs right now is a back-up PG who is shooting .397 for his career and .216 from three? And you're telling me that Atlanta, whose third-best frontcourt option after Horford and Smith is Zaza Pachulia finds the 15 MPG 4.4 PPG Teague so valuable they can't possibly give him up for a frontcourt rebounder?

Hey, I'm no NBA GM, but if I were running Atlanta and got that call, I'm accepting hands-down. Why do so many "anonymous source" reports sound so...made up? I wonder...

 

[rainmaker]

We can do better than that. It's that simple. Sounds like we're looking for a pg though.

 

[QoooooQ]

According to my grandma, the Hawks offered Horford for Thompson as a counter-offer, but the Kings declined.

 

[Asaf]

According to my grandma, the Hawks offered Horford for Thompson as a counter-offer, but the Kings declined.

Your grandma is not anonymous, therefore she is not a credible source...

 

[Kings Faithful]

If trading JT is the idea... trading him for Jeff League is hardly what I had in mind... We need an impact player, not another role player.

 

[dukeswh]

This is the first time I actually loled when reading an article. LOL.

 

[UK_King]

Oh my goodness.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I'm so done with caring about trades with this team. Just the prospect of another meaningless trade makes my eyes glaze over. Unless they can pull off a high impact trade for an all star caliber player who will immediately make the team better, they might as well just sink or swim with who they've got now. Trading mediocre players for other mediocre players is just treading water.

 

[cuad]

WOW that would have been a stupid trade.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

in one ear.. out the other...

is it monday already?

 

[Spok22]

Jason Thompson played well last night. I would be sad to see him go after that.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Teague has potential. I liked him in college. He's really fast, and can actually defend. More PG skills than Head, better overall PG than Jeter.

I can see why the Kings would do it, Teague would come in and play, were Thompsons, until last night, was about to find himself out of the rotation.

I probly wouldnt do it, but it wasnt as bad as all of the above posts make it sound.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

A lot of people were high on Teague around here when he was entering the draft. I have a hard time believing this rumor though.

 

[bajaden]

A lot of people were high on Teague around here when he was entering the draft. I have a hard time believing this rumor though.

I was not one of them. I thought Teague was overrated, and I watched him play a lot. I put no faith in this rumor at all. Teague is a terrible shooter from 3pt range, shooting just 21% in his short career. He's not a bad defender, but Head is a better defender and a better shooter, so why would we need Teague. If he was a lights out, ballhandling/passing PG who could rack up assists, I could understand. But he's not! I think this rumor is pure BS. The Hawks probably offered Teague to the Kings and Petrie refused, so to cover their tracks they reversed the story.

Right now we have Tyreke, Beno, Jetter, and Head that can all handle the ball and get the offense started. You can argue that an improvement can be made on the overall efficency of that group. But do you actually see Teague being that guy? I think not. So are you really going to trade a 6'11" athletic PF thats proven, that at worse he can come in and give you 12 and 7 with 30 minutes on the floor for a 6'2" unproven PG that can't shoot the ball?

Look at this from the other side for a moment. Are you telling me that the Hawks that are forced to play Horford out of position because they lack a center are going to turn down a trade of Teague for Thompson? If so, I would fire the GM if I were the owner. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it for a moment.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Look at this from the other side for a moment. Are you telling me that the Hawks that are forced to play Horford out of position because they lack a center are going to turn down a trade of Teague for Thompson? If so, I would fire the GM if I were the owner. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it for a moment.

Yeah, exactly why I have a hard time buying it. If there is any truth then I have to believe the Kings wanted more and what more is isn't being reported. Perhaps the source had an ulterior motive and was trying to inflate Teague's market value.

 

[Kingster]

Pretty awful trade if true.

Undersized SGs in the mold of Teague are a dime a dozen.

That's a GREAT trade if true. That guy has talent, which is just starting to show. I LOVE that trade. Of course that means it will never happen.

 

[Kingster]

I was not one of them. I thought Teague was overrated, and I watched him play a lot. I put no faith in this rumor at all. Teague is a terrible shooter from 3pt range, shooting just 21% in his short career. He's not a bad defender, but Head is a better defender and a better shooter, so why would we need Teague. If he was a lights out, ballhandling/passing PG who could rack up assists, I could understand. But he's not! I think this rumor is pure BS. The Hawks probably offered Teague to the Kings and Petrie refused, so to cover their tracks they reversed the story.

Right now we have Tyreke, Beno, Jetter, and Head that can all handle the ball and get the offense started. You can argue that an improvement can be made on the overall efficency of that group. But do you actually see Teague being that guy? I think not. So are you really going to trade a 6'11" athletic PF thats proven, that at worse he can come in and give you 12 and 7 with 30 minutes on the floor for a 6'2" unproven PG that can't shoot the ball?

Look at this from the other side for a moment. Are you telling me that the Hawks that are forced to play Horford out of position because they lack a center are going to turn down a trade of Teague for Thompson? If so, I would fire the GM if I were the owner. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it for a moment.

Atlanta is smart not to do that trade. Teague > Thompson. Also, Teague probably has literally twice the quickness of Beno, which they desperately need in the backcourt, especially on D.

 

[kennadog]

That report is sheer rumor. No source for the rumor at all. Amazing what gets made up by somebody and put on the internet. Let them come up witrh a source of some kind so I can even bother to judge its possible legitimacy.

 

[rhythmless]

Look at this from the other side for a moment. Are you telling me that the Hawks that are forced to play Horford out of position because they lack a center are going to turn down a trade of Teague for Thompson? If so, I would fire the GM if I were the owner. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it for a moment.

That's not entirely correct. Josh Smith, who in his early years was thought of as possibly a 3 is now squarely a 4. He has very little range (although he did hit a 3 recently) and is best served around the basket and on the weakside. If, as you surmise, the Hawks were to get a servicable center (JT? Really?) Horford would slide over to the 4 and Smith would come off the bench? Come in as a 3?

I just don't see it. IMO, it has less to do w/getting a center and more so that Smith and Horford are their two best frontcourt players. An axium is that you play your best players as much as possible. A player of JT's caliber won't change that.

 

[hrdboild]

Is it even verified that we're trying to trade Thompson at all? I'd be wary of any trade involving Thompson right now because it would negate our frontcourt depth. If Carl Landry leaves after this season we would then have no PFs on the roster. Or if one of Landry/Cousins/Dalembert gets injured at any point this season we're playing D-league fill in. Are we really that happy with Darnell Jackson? Not to mention trading big for small and trading a more proven commodity for an unproven one and trading one of our only rebounders for an undersized combo guard. Just makes no sense at all.

Could it be that other "sources" around the league see a struggling young team with a lot of potential talent and they're trying to shake some of it loose?

 

[kingsboi]

Trading a big for a small? Ehh...I wouldn't mind it for the right type of player. As for this trade in perticular, I don't know that I would want Jeff Teague, he is not a very good shooter to begin with. He is fast and can play some defense, but I'd rather keep JT on this one. Now, people around here are mentioning that this might not be true or that ATL called Sac about it. I don't think so, Petrie is known to be a sneaky trading type of guy and keeps everything on the downlow, now, whether ATL called first would not surprise me, but I have yet to see either side of the story.

 

[swisshh]

That report is sheer rumor. No source for the rumor at all. Amazing what gets made up by somebody and put on the internet. Let them come up witrh a source of some kind so I can even bother to judge its possible legitimacy.

You'll never a source named. That is not how it works if you want to keep getting information as a member of the press.

 

[kennadog]

You'll never a source named. That is not how it works if you want to keep getting information as a member of the press.

I totally understand how it works, but you have to give it some credibility or why bother publishing it? They don't even say, sources close to the Kings or the Hawks or a league another team GM or NBA sources. Nada.

 

[The Basketball Kings]

I don't believe this rumor at all. Bunch of BS. Who the hell is Jeff Teague anyhow? Never heard of the guy.

 

[Larry David]

They way some people on this board selectively dismiss reports that are not positive to their viewpoint is comical.
When compared to just 15 years ago, most pro sports teams have shut out the press and expect them to live exclusively off pressers and canned stories. Sources cannot be named or often even identified because the sources not only dry up, but those people get fired. Thus, they only way to gauge this stuff is to consider the source and/or their motives.

Which seems most plausible:
1. Kings made an offer to ATL. After the Hawks turned it down, somebody affiliated with the Hawks talked to Stein?
2. Somebody from the Hawks spoke to Stein, who didn’t consider the source credible, and Stein chose to omit the name because this was basically a blind gossip story?
3. Stein just made up a JT/Teague rumor because lord knows that will set the net on fire?

You can add whatever options you like, but Stein either ran with a credible report, chose to run a report that wasn’t credible, or simply manufactured a story.

I’m not saying you can’t call a person out for that. Once he became a name, Vescy used to throw huge stuff against the wall all the time. Stein doesn’t really do that. He breaks a lot of news and he doesn’t spread a lot of non-sense. In fact, the percentages would break pretty strongly his way.

It’s a free world, if a story doesn’t fit your viewpoint, feel free to ignore it, misinterpret it, whatever. But here, Stein does not have a motive to fabricate (no bump/buzz) or a track record reporting false trades.

 

[Larry David]

That report is sheer rumor. No source for the rumor at all. Amazing what gets made up by somebody and put on the internet. Let them come up witrh a source of some kind so I can even bother to judge its possible legitimacy.

Do you have a source or some evidence to confirm that? He didn't id his source. But how do you know he doesn't have one?


Any proof? Otherwise, your assessment that his story is rumor consists solely of unsubstantiated speculation. At best, pot meet kettle.


Before you start typing “But Petrie said …” First, compare the motives of the parties. Second, do we not recall the KT for Mason, they did, no we didn’t, ok, yeah we did affair?

 

[FaStRmAn]

I look at this from a pure talent aspect. Is Teague really worth a serviceable big? When trading a big for a small, the small typically has to be a good deal better than the Big because small players are more readily available every draft, while bigs who can play in the league are a little more rare a commodity. So when you look at Teague, all you see is a quick undersized guard who isnt exactly a sharp shooter. Those players are readily available in the D league if you were looking for a player of those credentials. Not that JT is a proven quality big, but he is young and still has upside while being a decent rebounder and ok defender. I'd have to say if you were gonna make up a rumor, that someone would come up with better than that. But just because these are the only two named in this rumor doesn't mean there were not others involved if it was not a rumor. Petrie is a pretty shrewd dealer. He keeps his cards close to his vest and he doesn't make trades for the sake of making a trade.