[Game] Kings @ Jazz - 12/10/16 - 6PT/9ET

[peacelate]

In that case, the swap will not be necessary because the Kings won't be drafting higher than the Sixers IMO.

You never know with the lottery

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Excuses after every game, posters saying this team has had a culture change, that this team is a deep team, that this is a potential playoff team

I don't think you're using the word "trolling" correctly.

 

[peacelate]

The Jazz are simply better than the Kings even with the starters out. It doesn't matter if the Kings had a week of rest and the Jazz were on a back-to-back, they would have beaten the Kings. Our star players wanted no part of Gobert and the Kings cannot win w/o Cousins.

 

[CelticsFan]

I don't think you're using the word "trolling" correctly.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement

All those things I have said that are being posted I believe are to purposely upset people on this site

 

[hrdboild]

The Kings are in lottery hell. Can't tank because 76ers own the Kings' soul for the next 2 years, so were stuck with trying to be mediocre (which we can't even do)so those picks don't end up costing the Kings.

This is the draft pick situation from here out:

2017:
Chicago gets our pick this year if it isn't in the top 10. Otherwise they get our second round pick next year and we no longer owe them anything.
Also, if our pick is in the top 10 then Philly has swap rights. They'll trade us their lottery pick for ours only if ours is better (they're currently tied with Dallas for the worst record in the league).

2018:
We keep our pick in 2018 because you can't trade consecutive picks.

2019:
Philly gets our first round pick in 2019 no matter what. Hopefully it isn't a good one.

 

[206Fan]

I don't think you're using the word "trolling" correctly.

I can't tell if fans are being serious when they talk about how they're proud of the Kings for showing progress in the last Knicks game. Are you kidding me? Losing to the Knicks who were without D-Rose was progress? Seriously? Then you have some people bringing up the word "culture change" a few days after the Matt Barnes incident... I can't tell if they're being serious or not.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement

All those things I have said that are being posted I believe are to purposely upset people on this site

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You think that the posters who (according to you) are "making excuses" for the team are doing so intentionally, to provoke people into an emotional response, for their own amusement? Whom do you think they are trying to provoke?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I can't tell if fans are being serious when they talk about how they're proud of the Kings for showing progress in the last Knicks game. Are you kidding me? Losing to the Knicks who were without D-Rose was progress? Seriously? Then you have some people bringing up the word "culture change" a few days after the Matt Barnes incident... I can't tell if they're being serious or not.

Why would you believe that they're not being serious?

 

[hrdboild]

I can't tell if fans are being serious when they talk about how they're proud of the Kings for showing progress in the last Knicks game. Are you kidding me? Losing to the Knicks who were without D-Rose was progress? Seriously? Then you have some people bringing up the word "culture change" a few days after the Matt Barnes incident... I can't tell if they're being serious or not.

Are you familiar with Stockholm Syndrome?

 

[CelticsFan]

¬_¬

You think that the posters who (according to you) are "making excuses" for the team are doing so intentionally, to provoke people into an emotional response, for their own amusement? Whom do you think they are trying to provoke?

I think they are trying to provoke other posters on this site. It's painful to me to listen to people come up with excuses for this team. I feel they are trying to troll people that realize this isnt a good team, we aren't making the playoffs and no culture change has happend

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I think they are trying to provoke other posters on this site. It's painful to me to listen to people come up with excuses for this team. I feel they are trying to troll people that realize this isnt a good team, we aren't making the playoffs and no culture change has happend

That might be the most #FirstWorldProblems thing I've ever heard.

 

[206Fan]

Are you familiar with Stockholm Syndrome?

haha, I laughed way too hard at this. I think you're onto something..

 

[CelticsFan]

That might be the most #FirstWorldProblems thing I've ever heard.

Fair enough.....you asked me

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Fair enough.....you asked me

Yeah, I asked because I wanted to see if you were going to have an explanation that made sense.

 

[CelticsFan]

Yeah, I asked because I wanted to see if you were going to have an explanation that made sense.

I'm not following you care to explain?

 

[gunks]

You never know with the lottery

Sure you do!

We always drop.

 

[kingjatt]

This is the draft pick situation from here out:

2017:
Chicago gets our pick this year if it isn't in the top 10. Otherwise they get our second round pick next year and we no longer owe them anything.
Also, if our pick is in the top 10 then Philly has swap rights. They'll trade us their lottery pick for ours only if ours is better (they're currently tied with Dallas for the worst record in the league).

2018:
We keep our pick in 2018 because you can't trade consecutive picks.

2019:
Philly gets our first round pick in 2019 no matter what. Hopefully it isn't a good one.

That 19 pick is a back breaker hopefully doubling up on first rounders this year via trades will help mitigate the damage. Thank god for the consecutive draft pick rule or we would be double screwed.

 

[VF21]

I think they are trying to provoke other posters on this site. It's painful to me to listen to people come up with excuses for this team. I feel they are trying to troll people that realize this isnt a good team, we aren't making the playoffs and no culture change has happend

You cite an Internet definition of troll as if we don't know what one is. Well, we do know. We've had more than our share of trolls, especially during the "good years".

I think you're wrong and I think it's an insult to some of the people who have been members of this forum forever. If someone wants to try and find something to be happy about, it's not up to you or anyone else to point out that their feelings or beliefs are wrong.

It's tough enough to be a Kings fan right now without having to see people picked on or called names for trying to find a little something to cling to.

If I want to hold a parade, I'll be perfectly happy doing so without you or anyone else feeling the need to rain on it. Thanks....

 

[Bricklayer]

I can't tell if fans are being serious when they talk about how they're proud of the Kings for showing progress in the last Knicks game. Are you kidding me? Losing to the Knicks who were without D-Rose was progress? Seriously? Then you have some people bringing up the word "culture change" a few days after the Matt Barnes incident... I can't tell if they're being serious or not.

The Knicks are a 13-10 team last time I checked.

I hoped we'd beat them. But they were again no free win.

And yes, the point is that this team has hung in there every night against everyone. New York included. That's important.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'm not following you care to explain?

Sure: when you said that you thought people who (so you say) are making excuses for the team are "trolling," I asked for your explanation because I thought that I was going to finish reading your explanation and think, "Okay, I can see why a reasonable person might think that."

I did not.

 

[peacelate]

The Knicks are a 13-10 team last time I checked.

I hoped we'd beat them. But they were again no free win.

And yes, the point is that this team has hung in there every night against everyone. New York included. That's important.

That 13-10 is deceptive. They've had an easy schedule.

 

[CelticsFan]

You cite an Internet definition of troll as if we don't know what one is. Well, we do know. We've had more than our share of trolls, especially during the "good years".

I think you're wrong and I think it's an insult to some of the people who have been members of this forum forever. If someone wants to try and find something to be happy about, it's not up to you or anyone else to point out that their feelings or beliefs are wrong.

It's tough enough to be a Kings fan right now without having to see people picked on or called names for trying to find a little something to cling to.

If I want to hold a parade, I'll be perfectly happy doing so without you or anyone else feeling the need to rain on it. Thanks....

Fair enough but it goes both ways. If someone has a negative post about the Kings and their current situation it's not up to mods or anyone else to point out their feelings or beliefs are wrong.

 

[Sac.1989]

You seem to be arguing that injuries are a more important factor than fatigue. I don't know that I agree with that. The Jazz are injury depleted, but the guys they did have were fully rested, and we were playing the second night of a back-to-back, in arguably the second-worst place to play on the second night of a B2B in US sports (second-highest elevation of any city with a "major" professional sports team in the United States).

Valid point. I wasn't directly comparing it to fatigue but that is an important factor. Rudy got his. Demarcus didn't quite hit his mark against an understrength but solid team, that's enough for a loss to endure unfortunately. Fatigue factored I'm sure.

 

[New Era]

Do you know how many times in the last 10 years a team has made it to the playoffs in the Western Conference with a .500 record? Once.
Do you know how many times in the last 18 years a team has made it to the playoffs in the Western Conference with a .500 record? Twice.

And we're now 7 games under .500 so we have to be 7 games over .500 from here out just to get there. You say the schedule is to blame, that we just have to hang in there until February and then we'll start piling on wins. So you're asking me to believe that this team -- currently 8-15 -- is going to go on some crazy run of winning 2/3 of their games in February, March and April despite the fact that they haven't shown even an inkling of that level of competence in over 10 years? Yeah, okay. I actually do believe those kinds of runs are possible, I've seen it happen before. Last year's team could have done it if they just sucked it up and fired George Karl in December. But not with these players. Not with Rudy Gay counting the days until he's out of here. Not with Afflalo, Barnes, and Lawson playing big minutes.

I wish I could like this post 1000 times.

 

[Amit149]

For all the people in the "keep Cousins" camp, are you really enjoying this team? Have you ever since Cuz was drafted other than the 11 games with Malone to start the 14'-15' season? If you answer yes, I just really don't understand. I find it hard to come up with a handful of games over the last 5-8 years that I felt excited to be a fan and confidant in our future. In my humble opinion there are way too many factors weighing against us to build around Cuz. Do we honestly think that we'll be able to after 6 years not being able and the fact that free agents have never wanted to come here? Lower to mid tier don't count because we've tried that over and over. Big time free agents especially don't want to come here right now with such a mess either. Do players (besides Wall and Bledsoe) want to play with him? I can't answer that but it doesn't seem like it. Its too late to draft players around him and frankly, we haven't drafted the right players to put around him to this point anyway. I think it would be the biggest mistake of mistakes if we hold on to Cousins past the all star game. This franchise needs to hit the reset button and we all need to hope that Vlade can extract the most out of whatever trade(s) he makes.

BTW, this isn't me saying I don't like Demarcus. Its me throwing my hands up saying, let's stop pretending this can turn around with the same efforts of "rebuilding" around him.

I have been on the rebuild wagon for a while now, but the main reason is that I didn't think he'll resign with us- but if he is willing, you keep him without hesitatio, and I'm starting to think he is really serious (I think this makes him insane but that's a different discussion).

If you are sure he'll sign a long term contract (and Vlade probably knows if he does) it's your best course of action- regardless of the path you want to continue in, including gutting the team around him and going for a short rebuild.

 

[VF21]

Fair enough but it goes both ways. If someone has a negative post about the Kings and their current situation it's not up to mods or anyone else to point out their feelings or beliefs are wrong.

Bit different, and you know it. If we mods came down on every negative post on this forum, none of us would ever get any sleep.

I've defended you multiple times when I thought you were being unfairly attacked. Right now, I think you made a big mistake when you tossed around the "troll" word so casually to describe certain fans.

You're a Celtics fan. Your team has won a gazillion championships. You have jerseys in your rafters of some of the greatest to ever play the game. I really don't think you have any idea what it feels like to be a Kings fan...

Have a good night.

 

[New Era]

The Knicks are a 13-10 team last time I checked.

I hoped we'd beat them. But they were again no free win.

And yes, the point is that this team has hung in there every night against everyone. New York included. That's important.

You love this "hanging in there" narrative and, frankly, it's nauseating because at the same time you constantly tell us that Cuz is a Hall of Famer and one of the best players in the game. If he's a HOF'er and as good as you say he is, then we shouldn't be talking about moral victories and simply being competitive (while losing to NY at home, a depleted Utah team, blowing the lead to LAL at home, etc). Moral victories and being competitive are for teams like the 76ers who have a ton of young talent and are just figuring out how to compete. If we have a HOF'er in his prime, surrounded by vets, then we should expect to actually WIN at least half our games.

 

[BamBam52]

Your brain might hurt for other reasons.. Great input though!

Other than this teams malfunctioning gears, your lack of paragraph spacing, is what is making my brain hurt.

 

[Bricklayer]

That 13-10 is deceptive. They've had an easy schedule.

As I pointed out before the game. Hence why I hoped we could mug them.

Still, easy schedule or not...it's that strange almost arrogance thing -- since when are games against winning teams suddenly these automatic wins? I mean, you hope. We played them tough both times, and they are one of a number of teams that I am not entirely convinced are better than us. But I'm also far from convinced we are better than them. We can play them tough, but they have a good coach, had us scouted well, and have more weapons than we do. They are the more talented team.

And yet again, down to the wire, had our chances to win it in the final minute = unacceptable! yadda. yadda.

 

[Kingsroots]

Paragraphs are your friend. My brain hurt reading that.

I invest too much time and money with this team as it is. It took a lot of effort to even get that out. I don't feel like writing a perfectly worded, spaced, and edited essay. I feel good just knowing you spent time correcting me though. I appreciate that. Your contribution to this subject is breathtaking.

Other than this teams malfunctioning gears, your lack of paragraph spacing, is what is making my brain hurt.