Telemachus
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I am pretty sure that 5 years is the longest you sign a player under the new CBA (and that might only be for teams resigning their own players).
Kings, Jason Thompson agree on new multi-year contract
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I am pretty sure that 5 years is the longest you sign a player under the new CBA (and that might only be for teams resigning their own players).
Exactly!
It is not only having cheap owners that is being the problem on this team. Moresover, it is the very poor spending habit, lack of vision, and lackluster performance of the GM in negotiations that has compounded the problem many times over.
Cheap owners, then the GM should spend wisely and on the right players! Do not overpay middling talents for the sake of dealing and just so fans will see you've done something. Go out there, use your phone and call/inquire, don't worry about the media knowing what you want, and be active looking for wise buys. Our GM needs to work earlier and harder and not just be staying tightlipped and hoping the fans will give him the alibis all the time when he messed-up.
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So what makes Jason overpaid? Care to elaborate, especially in light of some of the other contracts being rumored? Your blind hatred of Petrie is tainting pretty much every comment you make.
It's amazing to see how many of you are so involved in all these negotiations. You seem to know for a fact we overspent. So nobody wanted JT, or was talking to him about a possible deal. You know for a fact that we were bidding against ourselves. Show me that we were the only ones interested in JT. It must be easy being a GM of a professional sports franchise. How come you all are not doing it then?
Glenn
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People approaching 7' always make more than their talent level might suggest. In the end "you can't teach height" and guys who can chew gum and walk at the same time have value simply by being tall. I doubt if there are many GMs who would say we paid too much for JT or Thornton who are the two major players where we probably were bidding against ourselves. Now I hope we bid against ourselves and get TWill.
Glenn
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Yes.
Glenn
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ParniValjak
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$34 million over 5 years is a SOLID deal.
Guys that is an average of $6.8 million a season which is a very solid price to pay for a 3rd big man. That is NOT overpriced at all. It says somewhere that it is UP TO $34 million which suggests there are incentives there and if not met, the deal is LESS than $6.8 million per season average. It could also mean that the final year is a team or player option or partially guaranteed.
That is not a bad deal at all. I take that every day considering what sort of money is being thrown around this free agency period.
Guys that is an average of $6.8 million a season which is a very solid price to pay for a 3rd big man. That is NOT overpriced at all. It says somewhere that it is UP TO $34 million which suggests there are incentives there and if not met, the deal is LESS than $6.8 million per season average. It could also mean that the final year is a team or player option or partially guaranteed.
That is not a bad deal at all. I take that every day considering what sort of money is being thrown around this free agency period.
rhythmless
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Lil feisty aren't we? Show me that we aren't the only ones interested. The strawman is strong with your post.
I'm only offering an opinion of market value. We are free to disagree. The bid against ourselves wasn't as much a comment on JT as it was MT, but since you want to bring it up, I believe Jason is an RFA, with a 4.4M qualifying offer for next year. That means we have the qualifying offer and teams are free to give him a contract for him to sign. As far as anyone knows, NO ONE has come forth with a contract for RFA Jason Thompson. Hence, the evidence that we are the only one to make an offer to him is much, much stronger than the hypothesis that there are teams that did offer him a contract. If there was talk of a contract, it would have behooved his agent to put it out in the open to get more leverage against the Kings. Unless you can show some form of offer (much like Batum, Lin, Hibbert got as RFA), he has only been dealing with the Kings.
People approaching 7' always make more than their talent level might suggest. In the end "you can't teach height" and guys who can chew gum and walk at the same time have value simply by being tall. I doubt if there are many GMs who would say we paid too much for JT or Thornton who are the two major players where we probably were bidding against ourselves. Now I hope we bid against ourselves and get TWill.
I'm not so sure that JT can chew gum and walk at the same time though... Hardworking as he is, JT is one of the most uncoordinated players in the NBA (that actually plays). Look at his little back down hook, it looks awful!
That aside I think the deal is pretty fair. It's not exceptionally good, nor is it bad in any sense. JT is a valuable piece to our team and I'm happy that we managed to retain him for a decent price.
bajaden
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He's a simple fact. He can't prove that anyone else other than the Kings made an offer, and you can't prove that anyone didn't. Period!!!!!! So his argument is just as good as yours. If he has a straw dog, then you have a straw dog. Personally, if you look around the league at what other bigs are making, the deal JT got was a good deal for us and a good deal for him. Why everyone wants to ***** about it is beyond me. But then, you know what, there are people on this fourm that would take the opportunity to complain about anything Petrie does. And I'm not referring to you.
eesh lighten up it was a joke, poking fun at JT's clumsiness in his earlier years, in response to Glenn jokingly saying that any tall guy who can chew gum and walk at the same time has value in the league! I thought that would have been clear seeing as I went on to say I'm happy we retained him.
I apologise for my "ignorant, intentionally abusive" statement.
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Excuse me Sir. But I think he just proved his point by saying:
"As far as anyone knows, NO ONE has come forth with a contract for RFA Jason Thompson. Hence, the evidence that we are the only one to make an offer to him is much, much stronger than the hypothesis that there are teams that did offer him a contract."
I think it is better if someone can show that JT had a contract offer from other teams that is much greater than the qualifying offer for JT as a restricted FA. Only then we can say that rhythmless is wrong.
Just read rhythmless comment. If I am not mistaken I think it can also be applied to numerous deals that Petrie presented to the Maloofs that got approved. We outbidded ourselves. Sometimes I wonder if Petrie cares about the owners' money or if he has an under the table cut on the mentioned salaries. We have middling players or players with questionable health issues in the past getting big pay checks.
IfAt1st
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7.2 million a year for 5 years is way too much for JT, IMO.
Remember guys, back when he didn't get his contract extended last season, he was in the $3 to $4 million range. KF's said it was a good idea not to extend him, so that they wouldn't have to overpay to extend him and they could wait and see what other teams would offer, then match/exceed.
Well, we're right back to the same old thing here in Kings land.
What significantly changed this season with JT that warrants doubling his salary? Did he really do THAT well this season, or are people irrationally valuing him and/or getting freaked out by "the market"?
I fear JT played for his contract, and will revert to his boneheaded style of play and again be another albatross contract that gives this team an excuse not to spend bigger bucks for real game-changing starters.
We know what we're going to get with JT, and he seems a really nice guy, but the Kings simply can't afford to pay a backup 7+ million a year.
This is one of the reasons why they will not be competitive AGAIN this season - because they pay their backups WAY too much money, and don't pay for proven clutch vets or a proven coach.
It is mind-boggling to me that they will pay backup players so much, yet try to save money on the COACH, who gets those guys to perform or under-perform.
Remember guys, back when he didn't get his contract extended last season, he was in the $3 to $4 million range. KF's said it was a good idea not to extend him, so that they wouldn't have to overpay to extend him and they could wait and see what other teams would offer, then match/exceed.
Well, we're right back to the same old thing here in Kings land.
What significantly changed this season with JT that warrants doubling his salary? Did he really do THAT well this season, or are people irrationally valuing him and/or getting freaked out by "the market"?
I fear JT played for his contract, and will revert to his boneheaded style of play and again be another albatross contract that gives this team an excuse not to spend bigger bucks for real game-changing starters.
We know what we're going to get with JT, and he seems a really nice guy, but the Kings simply can't afford to pay a backup 7+ million a year.
This is one of the reasons why they will not be competitive AGAIN this season - because they pay their backups WAY too much money, and don't pay for proven clutch vets or a proven coach.
It is mind-boggling to me that they will pay backup players so much, yet try to save money on the COACH, who gets those guys to perform or under-perform.
ParniValjak
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Where the hell are you getting $7.2 million from?
Its reported to be a 5 year deal that will enable him to earn up to $34 million. By my calculation, he can earn up to $6.8 million per season on average. For a big man of JT's level that is a solid deal.
When he was earning $3-4 million he was on a rookie contract and underpaid for his production. Simple as that. Take a look at the 3rd big types at similar level to JT on other teams that are NOT on rookie contracts and you will realise it is a solid deal for us. If the reported 5 year up to $34 million deal is correct.
IfAt1st
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Sorry - $6.8 million/year.
And boy, did Dr. Spaceman nail it earlier this year on this subject:
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/sho...gs-will-not-be-offering-Thompson-an-extension
ParniValjak
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He might have nailed it if you are certain that JT wanted to discuss extension. It might have been a great time for the Kings to make an offer but there are 2 sides here. Put yourself in JT's shoes, would you start talking extension knowing full well that you are averaging career lows?! I know that I sure as hell would not! I would rather roll the dice and go into restricted free agency knowing full well that the worst I can do is get MLE offer from another team.
I am always staggered that in negotiations, the fans always look at things from team's perspective when in actual fact there are 2 sides here looking after their own best interest. It was in JT's best interest to not sign a contract extension. Classic example if Batum. Blazers offered him $30 million over 4 years and he told them to stick it. Now they are most likely going to match a 4 year $45-50 million deal.
Entity
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PF/C with comparable salaries. Drew gooden Ryan Anderson glen Davis Charlie vilinuava darko milicic brad miller David west Andre blatche Amir Johnson zaza pachulia Brendan Haywood Omar asik Paul milsap anyway I can do this all day. Now I am sure some clown will pick 1 or 2 guys out of that list and want to create an argument over 1-2 ppg or a rpg. If that's what you take from it your not paying attention.
King Baller
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JT can defend NBA starters at C and PF. He is an honest 6' 11" and runs the floor well. He is a good citizen and works/plays hard. He has a nice little mid-range J and his scoring in the paint has improved. He has developed his left hand and can now score with either hand.
He has earned the contract the Kings just awarded him with.
KB
He has earned the contract the Kings just awarded him with.
KB
The guy shows up every year in shape. He has no problem proving that he deserves playing time. He keeps adding to his game every year. He is versatile and still has the potential and intelligence to expand his game. Oh, and he likes Sacramento. This contract is a no brainer, as was Thorton's contract a year ago.
Glenn
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If it's a joke, put a smiley face on it. Sarcasm and some jokes do not translate well with the written word. I read your note and it ticked me off but it was so outrageous that I figured it must have been some attempt at humor. The ultimate problem has to do with the judgment that there was something funny to be said about JT. I actually think he is pretty coordinated so I was puzzled. The guy can dribble in the open court which separates him from most bigs. He can rebound. What do you want?
rhythmless
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Read my post again. If he did get a contract offer that was near or more than what he received, it would be news. This isn't a situation where JT wants to keep things on the downlow. As an RFA, every good offer should be publicized to drive up value. Can we agree on that?
Assuming that's ok, then where are rumors of teams interested to put an offer to him like every other RFA that's garnered interest? Teams may want to keep it quiet, but agents want to pit teams against. Each other. So the possible options are that he has no real interest from other teams, he did get offers that were too low to use as leverage, or he got competitive offers and his agent was too stupid to let anyone know about them. Arguing about what happened is a little silly, but can we at least move forward as rational thinkers with the most likely scenario?
Glenn
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I am not going to argue directly with anyone who disagrees with you. It is the kind of deal I thought was fair going into the free agency period and I feared we would have to pay more. Heck, a lot of people wrote notes that they feared what other teams would offer and that our broke arse owners wouldn't match the salary. Go back and read the pessimistic notes.
The interesting argument now would be to have us all say what a decent contract would be for TWill. Let's predict in advance and try to be reasonable. Then we can come back and argue if it appears that we bid against ourselves. Retrospective pot shots don't impress me.
bajaden
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It is highly possible that this is the first offer that the Kings made. No one knows! If so, it was a fair offer and I'm glad he accepted. JT was the first order of business, and I think the Kings wanted to expedite it as quickly as possible, so they could move on to other possible deals. It's also possible that JT preferred staying with the Kings, and wished to work out a deal if possible before accepting offers with other teams. Once again, we don't know. And the point is, you never know anything with Petire. Thats been his MO ever since he's been the GM.
So, he proved nothing by saying that there's no evidence of another offer, because there's no edvidence that there hasn't been a offer. Both are abstract arguments which neither side can prove. But thank you for calling me Sir and giving me the respect I deserve. Look, I know you hate Petrie. I'm not sure why, because he has made a lot of good moves in the past. And I know we live in a world of "What have you done lately", but in judging someone's job record, you can't just cherry pick the deals that support your argument. I'm not all that happy with whats been going on either. I scratch my head and wonder how Dorell Wright, a good SF, a position of need for us, is traded for next to nothing without a peep from us.
The only two conclusions I can make, is that either the Warriors didn't want to deal with us because were right down the road from them, or we already have another deal for a SF worked out. If neither of those scenario's are true, then I question what the thinking of the front office is. I guess a third scenario is that they already have a deal worked out with T. Will, which is actually the second scenario.
So what I'm saying is that on some issues regarding Petrie, I agree with you. I've even said that it may be time for some new blood at that position. My problem is I'm not sure I trust the Maloofs to make a good decision on hiring a new GM. My point is, I try to do my best to be fair to anyone I criticize, by looking at the entire picture, and not just what irritates me. I try and do the same with you. I wouldn't be making this post otherwise. What I don't like is when posters go only to the extreme. Because nothing is that black and white. Well, almost nothing. I tried real hard to find something I liked about Westphal, and the harder I looked, the more I disliked the man. Frankly, I don't like negativism. I find it destructive, because no one ever accomplished anything by thinking they couldn't. One negative person in a room full of optimistic people, will bring the room down to his or her level of thinking. Thats how distructive it is. Its like sharing a foxhole with someone thats screaming, were all going to die.
And let me qualify my statement by saying that being critical isn't necessarily being a negative person. Its the manner in which a person is critical. Constructive criticism is fine. but destructive criticism is exactly that. Destructive! I try to speak to, and about people on this fourm the same way I would if I were speaking to them face to face. I think if we all did that, it would be lot more civil. Anyone that would make a vicious degrading remark about a player on this fourm, that wouldn't make the same remark to their face, is nothing more than a coward. And I'm not pointing my finger at you, but just making a general statement. If the shoe fits, wear it.
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