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JT/Landry/McLemore for Zeller/Stephenson (with option to either swap picks)

For Charlotte:
They get a veteran rotation next to Big Al while Vonleh develops
They also gets an insurance for Henderson.

For Kings:
Give Lance a breath of fresh air in the West under a respected veteran coach and hopes he gets is act together.
Zeller on the other hand is one big man that I think would bring Karl's system to the next level. He can outrun any big on the open floor which makes very useful next to DMC as a running big. He's young and decent on half court offence as well because of his length.

If we swap picks, WCS would be then be more reasonable. Thus surrounding DMC with tall and quick-footed bigs.

Kings can then field in as starters:
C - DMC
PF - Zeller/WCS
SF - Rudy
SG - Lance
PG - Collison (if we don't trade him for Lawson)
 
Stephenson............and hopes he gets his act together? Not a ringing endorsement and high risk. Nah, rather take a known entity in Towns or WCS depending.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
You've got to have some kind of hatred in your heart for Jason Thompson, and/or Ben McLemore, that you would be willing to take on Lance F. Stephenson, just to get rid of them. I wouldn't take Stephenson for free.
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Between this and the Rondo thread I don't know where people want this team to go.
 
Lance Stephenson is an expiring contract and Cody Zeller has potential. I wouldn't do this deal but it's not the worse idea in the world. If you think Zeller is going to be a stud this could be a buy low, but I wouldn't count on Stephenson being anything but a bench warmer.
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
You've got to have some kind of hatred in your heart for Jason Thompson, and/or Ben McLemore, that you would be willing to take on Lance F. Stephenson, just to get rid of them. I wouldn't take Stephenson for free.
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hes a serious nutcase. don't need him influencing our other guys.
 
I would do that trade if you swapped out Ben for nik. Lance is an expiring contract and I think Zeller can stretch the floor for a big. (Maybe I'm thinking of someone else)

Those expiring contracts are huge especially since the cap going way up next summer. That's why I was also pissed when our brilliant GM traded assets along with Jason Terry to hou....
 
If they'd be willing to take Stauskas and Landry for Lance I'd make that move possibly. Lance has a team option for 16-17. He's still young too.

I wouldn't trade Thompson + Nik however.
 
Iced Espresso said:
If they'd be willing to take Stauskas and Landry for Lance I'd make that move possibly. Lance has a team option for 16-17. He's still young too.

I wouldn't trade Thompson + Nik however.
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First, I think they can get more Lance. Second, does he fit what the Kings and Karl are trying to do? And third, do we want a player that's a head case on the team? And make no mistake, he goes to the beat of a different drummer. I watched him play at Cincinnati, and he was one crazy dude. It's years later, and he's still one crazy dude. A talented one, but I guarantee you he would be a risk to have on the team. Are we in a position to take that kind of risk? Haven't we had enough drama around here for a while? And why is everyone in such a hurry to discard Stauskas. We have no idea how good or bad he's going to be two years from now. If anyone expected him to come in and light the world on fire, then those people are unrealistic. It doesn't work like that.

Last year, everyone in Washington was ready to discard Otto Porter, who came into the league much more highly touted than Stauskas, and didn't live up to his press clippings. Today, it's a totally different story. Suddenly he looks like a player. He looks like a player on the verge of a breakout season. Gee Wiz, I wonder how that happened? One of reasons the Kings are where they are, along with making a lot of bad decisions, is because the team has been a revolving door for players and coaches. It's impossible to build chemistry like that. Petrie was considered boring. It appeared that nothing was ever happening, and maybe he was that to the extreme. But he was patient. He knew that everytime you added a new player, or made a change, it took time for the team to adjust. He knew it took time for young players to develop and adapt to the league.

The way the Kings have been operating, is to draft a player, give up on that player after one year, and trade in in a package for John Salmons type, and then five years later, try and trade another young undeveloped player in a package for the very player they traded away five years before. Whats the definition of insanity?
 
bajaden said:
First, I think they can get more Lance. Second, does he fit what the Kings and Karl are trying to do? And third, do we want a player that's a head case on the team? And make no mistake, he goes to the beat of a different drummer. I watched him play at Cincinnati, and he was one crazy dude. It's years later, and he's still one crazy dude. A talented one, but I guarantee you he would be a risk to have on the team. Are we in a position to take that kind of risk? Haven't we had enough drama around here for a while? And why is everyone in such a hurry to discard Stauskas. We have no idea how good or bad he's going to be two years from now. If anyone expected him to come in and light the world on fire, then those people are unrealistic. It doesn't work like that.

Last year, everyone in Washington was ready to discard Otto Porter, who came into the league much more highly touted than Stauskas, and didn't live up to his press clippings. Today, it's a totally different story. Suddenly he looks like a player. He looks like a player on the verge of a breakout season. Gee Wiz, I wonder how that happened? One of reasons the Kings are where they are, along with making a lot of bad decisions, is because the team has been a revolving door for players and coaches. It's impossible to build chemistry like that. Petrie was considered boring. It appeared that nothing was ever happening, and maybe he was that to the extreme. But he was patient. He knew that everytime you added a new player, or made a change, it took time for the team to adjust. He knew it took time for young players to develop and adapt to the league.

The way the Kings have been operating, is to draft a player, give up on that player after one year, and trade in in a package for John Salmons type, and then five years later, try and trade another young undeveloped player in a package for the very player they traded away five years before. Whats the definition of insanity?
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Another reason could be that the Kings whiffed on some the draft picks....that is the biggest reason.
 
dude12 said:
Another reason could be that the Kings whiffed on some the draft picks....that is the biggest reason.
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No question! You have to make good decisions. But because you made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean you give up, or assume that your last decision was a bad one because you have a bad track record. Sometimes there are meddling owners that interfere with the process. As a CBS sports reporter said in a podcast I listened to, that Petrie was all set to draft Damian Lillard, and the Maloofs came and gave him a direct order to draft a PF. Thus, we drafted Thomas Robinson. I knew that we were probably going to draft Fredette before the draft. I knew someone within the Kings organization that told me the Maloofs fell in love with Fredette when he came in for his workout. Fredette wasn't Petrie's choice and to be honest, I don't know who he had targeted. So it was no surprise to me when they drafted Fredette. And no, I no longer have anyone in the organization that I know.

Point is, they had someone that was capable of making the right decision, but he wasn't allowed to. Vlade might not be a good CBA student, but I feel confident he can judge talent. If he and Karl can get on the same page, then it should only get better going forward. Remember, Petrie and Adelman had a long history together, and as a result, worked well together. Petrie knew the type of player Adelman liked, and did his best to acquire that type of player.
 
bajaden said:
First, I think they can get more Lance. Second, does he fit what the Kings and Karl are trying to do? And third, do we want a player that's a head case on the team? And make no mistake, he goes to the beat of a different drummer. I watched him play at Cincinnati, and he was one crazy dude. It's years later, and he's still one crazy dude. A talented one, but I guarantee you he would be a risk to have on the team. Are we in a position to take that kind of risk? Haven't we had enough drama around here for a while? And why is everyone in such a hurry to discard Stauskas. We have no idea how good or bad he's going to be two years from now. If anyone expected him to come in and light the world on fire, then those people are unrealistic. It doesn't work like that.

Last year, everyone in Washington was ready to discard Otto Porter, who came into the league much more highly touted than Stauskas, and didn't live up to his press clippings. Today, it's a totally different story. Suddenly he looks like a player. He looks like a player on the verge of a breakout season. Gee Wiz, I wonder how that happened? One of reasons the Kings are where they are, along with making a lot of bad decisions, is because the team has been a revolving door for players and coaches. It's impossible to build chemistry like that. Petrie was considered boring. It appeared that nothing was ever happening, and maybe he was that to the extreme. But he was patient. He knew that everytime you added a new player, or made a change, it took time for the team to adjust. He knew it took time for young players to develop and adapt to the league.

The way the Kings have been operating, is to draft a player, give up on that player after one year, and trade in in a package for John Salmons type, and then five years later, try and trade another young undeveloped player in a package for the very player they traded away five years before. Whats the definition of insanity?
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Get wont get more for lance. They tried everything to get rid of him and didn't find a decent deal.
 
bajaden said:
First, I think they can get more Lance. Second, does he fit what the Kings and Karl are trying to do? And third, do we want a player that's a head case on the team? And make no mistake, he goes to the beat of a different drummer. I watched him play at Cincinnati, and he was one crazy dude. It's years later, and he's still one crazy dude. A talented one, but I guarantee you he would be a risk to have on the team. Are we in a position to take that kind of risk? Haven't we had enough drama around here for a while? And why is everyone in such a hurry to discard Stauskas. We have no idea how good or bad he's going to be two years from now. If anyone expected him to come in and light the world on fire, then those people are unrealistic. It doesn't work like that.

Last year, everyone in Washington was ready to discard Otto Porter, who came into the league much more highly touted than Stauskas, and didn't live up to his press clippings. Today, it's a totally different story. Suddenly he looks like a player. He looks like a player on the verge of a breakout season. Gee Wiz, I wonder how that happened? One of reasons the Kings are where they are, along with making a lot of bad decisions, is because the team has been a revolving door for players and coaches. It's impossible to build chemistry like that. Petrie was considered boring. It appeared that nothing was ever happening, and maybe he was that to the extreme. But he was patient. He knew that everytime you added a new player, or made a change, it took time for the team to adjust. He knew it took time for young players to develop and adapt to the league.

The way the Kings have been operating, is to draft a player, give up on that player after one year, and trade in in a package for John Salmons type, and then five years later, try and trade another young undeveloped player in a package for the very player they traded away five years before. Whats the definition of insanity?
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Stephenson brings some rare gems and jewels to the table.

He is incredibly tough, has a whole lot of fire, and heart.

Getting out of the Landry contract is no small feat either.

It's not as much as giving up on Nik, I see a less likely gamble in Lance recovering form and fitting in than I see in Stauskas becoming more than an occasional rotation player.

Is he what we need? Depends long term on further roster adjustments.

But yeah I'll take a tough, hard nosed, defensive prided SG who's gonna battle to his last breath and take my chances over an under-performing rookie and a bad contract in Landry. Especially with the team option.

Gambling either way here, either with Nik's development, or Lance character etc.
 
Well there was a time when Kings don't have any high octane PG at all because all we got is a smart Mike Bibby. But there was no worry on that because there was Doug Christie and later there was Bonzi and Artest. All whom are more than willing and capable to battle against the the best player on any opposing team. Now all we say is Westbrook is gonna destroy us, Harden will score 40, or Ben is gonna get destroyed tonight.

At some point to get a team very competitive, some weird and wild personalities could be really handy. :-)
 
Yeah I'm all for it too. Unless you have a currently low valued defensive tough fella on the radar who may come at a cheap price.
 
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