[Game] Kings @ Heat 12/20/13 - 4:30 pm PST
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Look it does not matter, like I said he Does not play enough to effect this team in a positive or a negative. Not his fault he did not get traded or that they traded their starting PG for Gay. He was on the bench and they all the sudden had a 5'6 guy running the team(5'9 if you never walked by him). I don't know what will happen with jimmer, all I know is find someone who effects the game in some way to blame. So you think he sucks , who cares he does not play and he did not trade or draft the kings roster. Look at the Gm or Coach , then starters and work your way down.
It'd be difficult for me to do it justice, but she and Henry Turner have been talking in the post-game about how bad the defense has been, and how disappointing it is that people want to look at the scoring, and be optimistic, and Kayte took the discussion on a tangent, and went off on the entire culture of basketball, college, high school, AAU and And-1, and how they've all contributed to how ****ty defense has been, and how players nowadays can only play/only try to play on one side of the ball.
It was a thing of beauty, let me tell you; warmed my heart to hear it.
It was a thing of beauty, let me tell you; warmed my heart to hear it.
So Jimmer Fredette should be treated differently than any other college star who can't cut it in the NBA? Poor baby.
I feel sorry for Jimmer for one reason. You and so many others have made so freaking many excuses for him you've actually turned a lot of us against him. He got drafted into the NBA, along with 59 other guys. ALL of those guys were big fishes in little ponds. Well, the NBA is the ocean...and there are sharks and barracudas and other nasty things out there. Not all 60 players drafted in any one year will make it. In fact, not all 60 players drafted in any one year ever see a second year.
Jimmer has had his chance. It was an open secret he was available for trades and NONE were offered.
This is a KINGS FAN board. If you're not here for that, you're probably swimming in the wrong pond yourself.
I feel sorry for Jimmer for one reason. You and so many others have made so freaking many excuses for him you've actually turned a lot of us against him. He got drafted into the NBA, along with 59 other guys. ALL of those guys were big fishes in little ponds. Well, the NBA is the ocean...and there are sharks and barracudas and other nasty things out there. Not all 60 players drafted in any one year will make it. In fact, not all 60 players drafted in any one year ever see a second year.
Jimmer has had his chance. It was an open secret he was available for trades and NONE were offered.
This is a KINGS FAN board. If you're not here for that, you're probably swimming in the wrong pond yourself.
You don't get it. He is part of the reason we have no backup PG of competence. That effects the team in a major way. It would be great if IT could play 48 minutes a game but that's a bit much. I don't know if PDA knew he was going to leave this team in such bad shape but I suspect he did. As a temporary situation, I do not mind. The holes need to be filled and it would be very nice if we could just dump the players who are contributing nothing but we can't. We cannot remove him from the team. He cannot be cut. He cannot be traded. He is a part of this team and is useless.
If your point is that Jimmer can't help it if he is incompetent and can't play at an NBA level, I will agree. I doubt very much that he is chosing to be incompetent. At least he is making a few million a year and that should compensate him very nicely. It's not his fault. It's too bad we were sucked in by the Jimmermania and our owners thought he would be cool to have.
If your point is that Jimmer can't help it if he is incompetent and can't play at an NBA level, I will agree. I doubt very much that he is chosing to be incompetent. At least he is making a few million a year and that should compensate him very nicely. It's not his fault. It's too bad we were sucked in by the Jimmermania and our owners thought he would be cool to have.
I somehow don't understand the overt Jimmer criticism for this game. I didn't think he played well that's for sure, but I somehow don't recall him screwing up that much.
Went back to watch the 4 minutes he played. Will try to break it down here - defensively when I say Jimmer not involved I mean it in the sense that the play has nothing to do with him or his rotation.
1st minute - No problems on either end. We got two buckets on an Acy dunk and Williams layup. On defense Wade scored against Acy + Outlaw, Jimmer not involved at all.
2nd minute
1. Jimmer passes to Gay who goes 1 on 1 and scores on a pullup.
2. Ray Allen scores a layup off PnR with Lewis. Defended by Williams + Outlaw. Jimmer not involved.
3. Jimmer leaves his feet to make bad pass to Acy, Chris Andersen gets transition dunk with Jimmer only man back in 3 on 1. Malone immediately calls a time out which I thought was weird, unless it was to reprimand the other guys for not even trying to run back.
4. Jimmer TO leads to 3 on 2, Cole gets a layup.
3rd minute
5. Gay brings the ball up, doesn't pass takes a contested jumpshot and misses. Heat rebound, outlet gets stolen by Derrick Williams. Williams goes the other way, goes 1 on 1 without passing the ball and misses the contested shot. Acy, Gay, Williams slow to get back, Heat come down 4 on 2. Jimmer anticipates the lob to Wade, doesn't pick up Allen and Allen gets a dunk. Malone calls timeout, Cousins in for Acy.
6. Gay brings ball up, runs side pick and pop with Cousins. Cousins misses the shot.
7. Wade posts up Outlaw. Matchups are Gay-Allen, Williams-Lewis, Jimmer-Cole, Cousins-Andersen. Gay leaves Allen in the corner to double Wade, Allen moves to the angle, gets an open 3 but misses. Williams doesn't box out Lewis and Lewis gets the putback.
4th Minute
8. Jimmer brings ball up, passes to Rudy Gay on the left angle. Gay gets ball poked away, recovers and tries to slip a pass through two defenders to Cousins, which gets stolen by Andersen.
9. Heat break the other way. This time Jimmer stops the ball (Cole), and manages to contest Wade who finishes a tough layup. In picture below Outlaw gets there after Jimmer, so it's not a defensive miscommunication.
10. Jimmer brings ball up, feeds Cousins on left block, a bit too far out. Guys stand around for a while, I believe Cousins shouts move and some guys start trying to cut. Jimmer remains on the perimeter. Cousins tries to make a cross court pass to Outlaw in the corner, but ball gets knocked out of bounds by Wade. Overall spacing was poor on the possession, and Cousins seems to yell at Jimmer after telling him to move or something.
Thus concludes Jimmer's 3 minutes 53s of play. Again, not a good showing by any means but I don't think he was THAT bad. He was barely involved after the two turnovers (which were bad).
Went back to watch the 4 minutes he played. Will try to break it down here - defensively when I say Jimmer not involved I mean it in the sense that the play has nothing to do with him or his rotation.
1st minute - No problems on either end. We got two buckets on an Acy dunk and Williams layup. On defense Wade scored against Acy + Outlaw, Jimmer not involved at all.
2nd minute
1. Jimmer passes to Gay who goes 1 on 1 and scores on a pullup.
2. Ray Allen scores a layup off PnR with Lewis. Defended by Williams + Outlaw. Jimmer not involved.
3. Jimmer leaves his feet to make bad pass to Acy, Chris Andersen gets transition dunk with Jimmer only man back in 3 on 1. Malone immediately calls a time out which I thought was weird, unless it was to reprimand the other guys for not even trying to run back.
4. Jimmer TO leads to 3 on 2, Cole gets a layup.
3rd minute
5. Gay brings the ball up, doesn't pass takes a contested jumpshot and misses. Heat rebound, outlet gets stolen by Derrick Williams. Williams goes the other way, goes 1 on 1 without passing the ball and misses the contested shot. Acy, Gay, Williams slow to get back, Heat come down 4 on 2. Jimmer anticipates the lob to Wade, doesn't pick up Allen and Allen gets a dunk. Malone calls timeout, Cousins in for Acy.
6. Gay brings ball up, runs side pick and pop with Cousins. Cousins misses the shot.
7. Wade posts up Outlaw. Matchups are Gay-Allen, Williams-Lewis, Jimmer-Cole, Cousins-Andersen. Gay leaves Allen in the corner to double Wade, Allen moves to the angle, gets an open 3 but misses. Williams doesn't box out Lewis and Lewis gets the putback.
4th Minute
8. Jimmer brings ball up, passes to Rudy Gay on the left angle. Gay gets ball poked away, recovers and tries to slip a pass through two defenders to Cousins, which gets stolen by Andersen.
9. Heat break the other way. This time Jimmer stops the ball (Cole), and manages to contest Wade who finishes a tough layup. In picture below Outlaw gets there after Jimmer, so it's not a defensive miscommunication.
10. Jimmer brings ball up, feeds Cousins on left block, a bit too far out. Guys stand around for a while, I believe Cousins shouts move and some guys start trying to cut. Jimmer remains on the perimeter. Cousins tries to make a cross court pass to Outlaw in the corner, but ball gets knocked out of bounds by Wade. Overall spacing was poor on the possession, and Cousins seems to yell at Jimmer after telling him to move or something.
Thus concludes Jimmer's 3 minutes 53s of play. Again, not a good showing by any means but I don't think he was THAT bad. He was barely involved after the two turnovers (which were bad).
Maybe it's me, but IMO, I don't really think that you've actually seen that much overt Fredette criticism. What I think you've seen is:
- One, maybe two guys hyperbolically over-criticize Fredette's contribution tonight (and hey, let's face it, this is a fan site: everybody, with the possible exceptions of bajaden and Capt. Factorial, are subject to use hyperbole to criticize from time-to-time).
- The aforementioned hyperbolic criticism drew out the usual suspects to White Knight for Fredette.
- The aforementioned White Knighting led to irritation on the part of all of the Kings Fans (particularly those who consider themselves fans of the team over any individual players) who simply don't feel as though Fredette is worthy of the belligerent sort of defense he's been receiving.
- From there, it has spiraled into the typical internet shouting match... And believe me when I tell you I know what one of those looks like when I see one.
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I fully understand what your saying, his lack of production is forcing Malone to keep him on the bench?
Ok well when your on the bench your production and progression is going to be zip. It's not hard to see you think he sucks, pretty easy to see. How do u expect a player with Dnp's to start he year and when he did play it was at the 2 spot with a shoot first PG to be good and comfortable at PG with a bunch of guys he never plays with.
Fact is Malone is not helping him get any production, you mean to tell me a NBA coach can't find a shooter an open shot in the playbook? Look there is plenty of talent on this team and should have more than 7 wins. They just got blown out by the jazz last week(jazz have 6 wins this year). Only time they win is when their opponent has a horrible shooting night.
Ok well when your on the bench your production and progression is going to be zip. It's not hard to see you think he sucks, pretty easy to see. How do u expect a player with Dnp's to start he year and when he did play it was at the 2 spot with a shoot first PG to be good and comfortable at PG with a bunch of guys he never plays with.
Fact is Malone is not helping him get any production, you mean to tell me a NBA coach can't find a shooter an open shot in the playbook? Look there is plenty of talent on this team and should have more than 7 wins. They just got blown out by the jazz last week(jazz have 6 wins this year). Only time they win is when their opponent has a horrible shooting night.
No, fact is Malone cannot do Jimmer's job for him. And Jimmer's JOB - the reason he's making millions of dollars - is to be productive whenever he's called on. He has yet to rise to the occasion.
You need to read Mr. Slim's post above. And you need to quit being a "White Knighter"... all it does is bring out the junkyard dog in a lot of us.
You need to read Mr. Slim's post above. And you need to quit being a "White Knighter"... all it does is bring out the junkyard dog in a lot of us.
One of the high points of the old House Party show was being able to go to the studio and talk with Koz and Kayte. Her knowledge of and passion for the game of basketball is beyond awesome. I would love to see her in a Doris Burke-type role. Anybody who thinks she's just another pretty face is an idiot.
The one good thing about Ray sitting is atleast if he gets the call to play big mins he will know to defend his ass off.
I had high hopes for this road trip and knew we would get thumped by the champs, but this run n gun game has to stop. There is no reason for a team that is allergic to D to run this much, Malone has to reel it in.
I had high hopes for this road trip and knew we would get thumped by the champs, but this run n gun game has to stop. There is no reason for a team that is allergic to D to run this much, Malone has to reel it in.
I truly believe that might be the long-range plan. I suspect, however, that Grant-Jerry will continue until the new arena is built. I would love to see Kayte alternate with Jerry on occasion. Hell, I'd love to see a game called by Kayte and Doris Burke.