Kings Depth chart 10/14

[CruzDude]

Digging down into the Kings section on ESPN web site yields an interesting depth chart for starters and backup. I've added the third column to get to the 13 that Petrie says will be under contract and the NBADL guys.

Starter Backup Bench NBADL
PG Bibby Hart Price
SG Bonzi Kevin
SF Peja Corliss Cisco Sandrin
PF Shareef KT Sampson
C Miller Skinner Schenscher

I guess Corliss is ahead of Cisco with 8 years experience but that could change if Cisco gets consistent at what he does best.

I go along with the ESPN starters and backup, for now. The big question is who will be the extra big man, if there is going to be one, and who if any will the Kings sign and send to the NBADL?

 

[Warhawk]

You've got 15 listed. If they keep it to 13, I don't think Sandrin will make it - too many forwards. Not sure what they will do re: big men.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

13 will make it, which as I see it means that the 12th and 13th spots are between Price & Flores and Sampson & Schensher.

 

[CruzDude]

I tend to agree but what if most NBA teams stick to only 13 and nobody sends players to the NBADL..... sort of like having a party but nobody came. Who pays for the players on the teams if not the NBA teams? How are those teams to be filled? Hadn't thought about this option....... #-o

 

[Bricklayer]

I tend to agree but what if most NBA teams stick to only 13 and nobody sends players to the NBADL..... sort of like having a party but nobody came. Who pays for the players on the teams if not the NBA teams? How are those teams to be filled? Hadn't thought about this option....... #-o

Well, they've been up and running for a few years now as sort of an NBA-sponsored version of the old CBA, so if nobody uses them I guess they just continue to function as independent minor league teams. You can see the problem with a sort of halfsy system like they have right now -- teams have massive investments in these players, and they don't entirely trust them out of their immediate site and with some outside coaching staff. If everybody had their own team, maybe. But its still a different situation than baseball because in baseball a) the rosters are much bigger, b) most of the guys in a team's minor league system aren't paid much of anything, and c) players develop at a much later level (baseball being more of a skill than sport you can excel at with mere athleticism). Even future stars are often drafted and take years and years of development. Not true in basketball. The LeBrons can play straight out of high school, and even the Sebastian Telfairs and whatnot can contribute. And they're being paid a ton of money.

Best hope is if it can kind of become an American version of what the Spurs use European club teams for -- they draft them early, and then leave guys overseas to mature playing for Euro teams until they have room for them. Difference being that while they are maturing the Spurs aren't paying a dime for them. Think that would have to be how it works here in order for the NBA teams to ever extensively use the NBDL -- they would have to have the right to draft a guy and assign him to an NBDL team without having to drop a hefty guaranteed contract on him in the interim, and one with a time limit as well. And would have thought Stern, being a bright guy, could have foreseen that. Maybe I will shoot him a memo.

 

[ParniValjak]

If we go in with 13 players as hinted by the front office then I would suspect that Price and Sampson make the cut.

However, didn't I hear somewhere that each team must have at least 14 players on the roster?????? Or did I dream that?????

Anyway, personally, I would like us to have a 14 man roster this upcoming season. Every team can have a maximum of 2 players in the develpment league. I would send Price (to develop his playmaking abilities) and Schenscher (to develop his game at both ends of the floor) to Development League and run with rosters of Bibby, Wells, Peja, SAR, Miller, KT, Martin, Hart, Garcia, Corliss, Skinner and Sampson as the 12 man roster for the season.

 

[CruzDude]

Last night after the Warrior game Gerry Jerold said the Kings have one roster spot to fill, to get to 13 I guess. But against the Warriors there was the core 11 who played the entire first half. Is Jamal Sampson the 12th guy now and if so why did he not play? not even in garbage time at the end?

We haven't seen the remaining 5 guys enough (as fans anyway) to know who would be #13. There is to be a cut today, monday 10/17 so that should narrow down the guess list.

 

[Bricklayer]

Last night after the Warrior game Gerry Jerold said the Kings have one roster spot to fill, to get to 13 I guess. But against the Warriors there was the core 11 who played the entire first half. Is Jamal Sampson the 12th guy now and if so why did he not play? not even in garbage time at the end?

We haven't seen the remaining 5 guys enough (as fans anyway) to know who would be #13. There is to be a cut today, monday 10/17 so that should narrow down the guess list.

Well if Price and Sampson were the frontrunners for those spots, and Flores and Schenscher were the darkhorses to unseat them, then I would have to say that Sampson was #12. Schenscher didn't show much last night, and Price and Flores have been taking turns sucking. Of the rest of the guys, only one we haven't seen was Paulding, and none of the rest really imprseed. Sandrin probably looked the best, but he was nothing special and maybe the longest shot in camp anyway. Maybe Paulding is going to have a shot to unseat Price/Flores if they contuinue to suck (with Garcia as PG #3)? Or maybe he's already pretty much gone. Could go either way.

 

[Rowdyone]

So if the max number of players is 15 but we're only going to carry 13 why do you suppose we're limiting ourselves? Yes, the obvious reason is salary cap. But while considering our lack of frontline shotblocking and rebounding it occurred to me that perhaps GP is leaving roster room for contracts he may have to take back in the event of a trade or two. Whatcha think?

 

[Gtronic]

No more trades until maybe the deadline...Unless something amazing comes along, i think this is the team GP is going with.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

So if the max number of players is 15 but we're only going to carry 13 why do you suppose we're limiting ourselves? Yes, the obvious reason is salary cap. But while considering our lack of frontline shotblocking and rebounding it occurred to me that perhaps GP is leaving roster room for contracts he may have to take back in the event of a trade or two. Whatcha think?

Why pay the salary of someone who is in the D League if they are not in your long term plans. The D League is great for a guy who a team is high on, but wouldn't see much time on the floor in the NBA. Gerald Wallace would have been a great D League guy or even Martin last year. But why sign someone only to send them to the D League if they really don't have much potential. Rather than signing someone and sending them to the D League teams will just pick up guys in the season if they need to due to injuries.

 

[VF21]

So if the max number of players is 15 but we're only going to carry 13 why do you suppose we're limiting ourselves? Yes, the obvious reason is salary cap. But while considering our lack of frontline shotblocking and rebounding it occurred to me that perhaps GP is leaving roster room for contracts he may have to take back in the event of a trade or two. Whatcha think?

First, I thought the max number of players was 14...

I don't agree that the most obvious reason to not carry a full roster is salary cap, since the guys at the very end of the bench pretty much make less than the parking lot attendants.

The obvious reason is because ... turnips ... seem to happen a lot on this team and maybe Petrie wants room on the roster in case they have to bring in someone because of ... turnips.

 

[Kings113]

I'm still confused on Sampson/Price, they're listed on Kings.com on the roster. Ever since they were picked up in August. But talked about as free-agents and invitees like Flores/Sandrin/Luke. I know Price has a contract, that's two years, but don't know the specifics. For Sampson, I guess he has a partially guaranteed deal...

 

[whozit]

I thought max was 15 players, minimum 13 and somehow there would be an average of at least 14 players per team.

What's new, I'm confused on that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings end up with fourteen players. Assuming Price and Sampson's contracts are in fact quaranteed, it would be between Flores, Sandrin and Schenscher to see if one could convince the owners that they would be worth keeping as number 14. I would think that the edge might go to the fact you can't teach heigth and the center position is place of concern at least IMHO.

 

[Kings113]

You're right, whozit. Kings want 13 because of the cap.

 

[VF21]

You're right, whozit. Kings want 13 because of the cap.

And just how do you know? As I mentioned before, the guys at the very end of the bench make next to nothing. It's not about salary cap for them.

 

[VF21]

I thought max was 15 players, minimum 13 and somehow there would be an average of at least 14 players per team.

What's new, I'm confused on that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings end up with fourteen players. Assuming Price and Sampson's contracts are in fact quaranteed, it would be between Flores, Sandrin and Schenscher to see if one could convince the owners that they would be worth keeping as number 14. I would think that the edge might go to the fact you can't teach heigth and the center position is place of concern at least IMHO.

I'll look it up but I'm almost positive the league mandate is no more than 14 players on the roster....

I'll find out for sure, however. The 13 comes from what Petrie has said over TDOS...

 

[Kings113]

And just how do you know? As I mentioned before, the guys at the very end of the bench make next to nothing. It's not about salary cap for them.

Because of what I've read countless times. The Maloofs and Petrie have said repeatedly they're going to carry 13, quite sure because of the cap. Didn't mean it was for end of the bench players, but in general.

 

[IVote4Replay]

I'll look it up but I'm almost positive the league mandate is no more than 14 players on the roster....

I'll find out for sure, however. The 13 comes from what Petrie has said over TDOS...

The league average is 14 (nba.com), and yeah- 13 is what GP said he "prefers" over the offseason. But i'm not sure what "average" means.

(The league has agreed to guarantee that, on a league-wide basis, teams will maintain an average roster size of 14 players over the course of the season.)
-http://www.nba.com/news/cba_summary_050804.html

 

[Kings113]

Okay, prefer, but I doubt it goes 15.

 

[VF21]

Here's the skinny:

Roster size

Currently, teams can have a maximum of 15 players on their rosters, with a minimum of 11. Under the new agreement, the minimum will be raised to 14. This is another concession by the league.

The owners also have agreed to do away with the injured list, changing to inactive and active lists. That means teams no longer will have to concoct player injuries in order to manage their roster.

So, the minimum is 14. That means if the Kings are going to carry 13 on their roster, at least one player will have to go to the NBDL:

Minor league

Perhaps the most significant development in the new CBA will be the creation of a true NBA minor league via the NBDL. Both sides were interested in making this happen and it was never a serious impediment to the bargaining process.

The league wanted the minor league because it wanted to give teams an outlet to develop younger players. It should be especially beneficial to veteran teams with young players, like Darko Milicic, who can't crack the rotation.

The players wanted it because it would create more jobs. If a team sends a young player down to the NBDL, he wouldn't count on their active roster. That job would, in turn, go to a veteran.

The NBDL recently expanded to eight teams. Stern said his goal will be to add another seven teams by the start of the 2006-07 season. However, deputy commisoner Russ Granik told Insider that teams will be allowed to begin sending players to the D league this season.

Here are the key terms of the agreement on the NBDL:

• Each NBA team will be allowed to send players to a designated NBDL team, along with an assistant coach to monitor the players' development.
• The league will eventually expand to 15 teams, and two NBA teams will share each NBDL team.
• Players can be sent down to the NBDL for only the first two years of their career. Veterans cannot be assigned to an NBDL team.
• First-round picks will continue to be paid at the rookie wage scale. This was a key concession to the players, who didn't want owners to use the league as a way of cutting player salaries.
• Teams will retain the rights to all of their players and can recall them at any time.
• The NBDL will lower its age limit from 20 years to 18 years. That means that high school players who are ineligible for the draft will be able to play in the NBDL for a year before entering the draft. That dramatic change gives high school players another avenue into professional basketball (and an income source) should they choose to skip college.

A minor league will alter the draft strategy of teams, encouraging them to draft younger players with big upsides because of the ability to develop players down the road. This could have a big impact in this year's draft. Big-upside players like Martynas Andriuskevicius, Andrew Bynum, Yaroslav Korolev and Ersan Ilyasova suddenly look much more interesting to teams than they did 24 hours ago.

Now that teams have the option of drafting players and developing them in the minor leagues, look for more teams to reach, starting in this year's draft.

Those quotes are from:

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6080

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As far as salary cap goes, it's the total that's important. It doesn't matter which order the players are added up... Paying a couple more players the acceptible minimum isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.