Kings/Denver

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Kings need a big....Denver wants to rid them self of Jr smith.


Kings trade:

Kevin Martin
Kenny Thomas
Spencer Hawes

Denver trade:

Nene
Jr Smith

Petrie has been rumored in the past to like Nene and take a risk on Jr.

Denver gets a great scorer that makes up for jr's immature outbursts also get cap space.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/ trade works out.
 
I think we're giving up too much, over-valuing JR Smith who most don't want on the team. We still have to keep Spencer unless getting an absolutely stud big man, and this doesn't clear up the logjam at the 2 and 3. Oh, we also give away two of our biggest trading pieces.
 
I'm not opposed to moving Martin, but I think those 3 players, or JT instead of Hawes if need be, should be able to net 2 bigs in return.

We certainly can't take on any swingmen unless we move 2 or 3 first.
 
Why do I keep seeing ideas/proposals that include some of the biggest losers in the league?.. First it was Shawn Williams. Then, Josh Howard. Now it's JR Smith?.. Why don't we make push for all of them, then add Delonte West to the mix. We'll be the second coming of the Jail Blazers.
 
if we can figure out a way to get nene, then we should do it.

I would give martin for nene. I dunno about throwing hawes in tho. Id rather throw a future pick if we have too add a sweetner to the deal.

The point is to Keep JT & Hawes if we get another big.. With Nene helping them out they would be able to develop properly without all the blame going on them if something happends. nene could teach them alot about defense. and finishing strong.. I think he shoots like 60 % from the field or something rediculous.
 
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Whether or not this trade makes sense for us, I'm not sure. Nene is legit and arguably a top-5 center who brings it on both ends, but we would be giving up a lot to get him.

What I do know is the Nuggets ain't interested. They're not trading the rock of their front line to improve their wing scoring. Nene's no Dwight Howard, Duncan, or Pau Gasol, but he matches up well enough to give you a chance against those guys in the playoffs and you can't even consider that about Spencer Hawes at this point.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think we need to lose one of them and get 2 bigs. I just alternate on which one based on how bad the other plays the night before.
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hmm i dunno about giving up one... bigs take alot longer to develop.. i would truly hate to see us trade hawes/jt and watcfh them become a good player somewhere else.

If we had that third Nene Big whith both jt and hawes then it leaves rooms for error between the 2 youngsters. Because if ones playing bad we can always play the other one. It just takes alot of pressure off of both of them and they know if they mess up there not screwing over the team because we would have that extra big that can come in and contribute.

they are both really skilled players but right now theres just too much on their shoulders. they are not ready for what coach wants from them and they cant take all the abuse.. i think having that third big will help this out alot.
 
I hate jr smith, this deal is to take their headcase to get nene. He is a straight banger. This is the sneaky trade I could see kings doing. Let's be real people. We are not getting bosh or amare.
 
In my view, Nene is a better fit for us than Bosh or Amare. The problem consists of prying him from Denver's cold, dead hands. I just don't think he's an option - or, maybe even less of an option than those other two. Nene's value is crazy high.
 
Denver is not trading Nene.

You have to look for vulnerable/available players or desperate teams in these things. Devner is not desperate. And Nene is absolutley key for them to make another WCF run.

Would love to have him BTW -- I was arguing for us to try to get him for years around here while various boobs shouted "bust!". But it is far too late now.
 
Bricklayer said:
Would love to have him BTW -- I was arguing for us to try to get him for years around here while various boobs shouted "bust!". But it is far too late now.
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I remember a couple posters may have said "bust", but the majority recognized the need to rebuild the team instead of doing another quick fix by signing Nene. And they're right. The only thing Nene would have accomplished was to knock the Kings further down in the lottery and denied the team a chance at Tyreke Evans.

And another point raised by the objection to Nene was the amount of cash it takes to entice him to leave a playoff team and come to to a bottom feeder. Essentially making him one of the overpaid guys in the league. (The "an offer of $7-8 millions a year should be enough" was never realistic.)

Fact is, Nene didn't make sense to the Kings and Sac never had a chance to sign him in the first place. Today, the dynamics has changed of course but back then it was not a smart move to get him.

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beb0p said:
I remember a couple posters may have said "bust", but the majority recognized the need to rebuild the team instead of doing another quick fix by signing Nene. And they're right. The only thing Nene would have accomplished was to knock the Kings further down in the lottery and denied the team a chance at Tyreke Evans.

And another point raised by the objection to Nene was the amount of cash it takes to entice him to leave a playoff team and come to to a bottom feeder. Essentially making him one of the overpaid guys in the league. (The "an offer of $7-8 millions a year should be enough" was never realistic.)

Fact is, Nene didn't make sense to the Kings and Sac never had a chance to sign him in the first place. Today, the dynamics has changed of course but back then it was not a smart move to get him.

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That's a cute attempt at forgetfulness, but at the time we were having the discussion Nene WAS the argument for a rebuild. He was about 22-24 years old, same range as Kevin, and the idea was to start a group of young players at that age rather than wait 4 years to impode.
 
Bricklayer said:
That's a cute attempt at forgetfulness, but at the time we were having the discussion Nene WAS the argument for a rebuild. He was about 22-24 years old, same range as Kevin, and the idea was to start a group of young players at that age rather than wait 4 years to impode.
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And many of us would rather not sign Nene, instead tank and go for a high draft pick. In other words the objectors have been right so far.

And a tandem of Nene/Martin does not sound appealing to me. Tyreke alone is > them both.

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=LarryLegend= said:
I hate jr smith, this deal is to take their headcase to get nene. He is a straight banger. This is the sneaky trade I could see kings doing. Let's be real people. We are not getting bosh or amare.
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I agree with the last part of your statement that we are not going to get Bosh or Amare, but I think Nene is too important to Denver want to give him up to the Kings. Wings are much more easy to come by and develope than bigs. Especially good bigs. Denver says "No".
 
giving up way to much....

expiring
youth


nene is a banger but he doesnt have a perfect fitness record this is just another quick fix to satiate the need for that banging big man but you just lose more in the process.

no
 
Bricklayer said:
That's a cute attempt at forgetfulness, but at the time we were having the discussion Nene WAS the argument for a rebuild. He was about 22-24 years old, same range as Kevin, and the idea was to start a group of young players at that age rather than wait 4 years to impode.
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And another thing at the time was that Nene was already signed with Denver and everyone was saying how overpaid he was for his production. Forgetting of course that he was coming off the bench for Denver, and Camby and Martin were their starters. Even then Nene was projecting as 17/9/1.5bpg per 36 minutes players.

Nene would be exceptional for us but as you say, too late now. Then ship has sailed and Denver are NOT trading him.

Its cute how beb0p tries to put his spin on eveything when the fact is something completely different to what he remembers.

In fact, when Mobley was a FA and Denver were interested in a sign and trade for him, we were after Nene then and he was still a pup in terms of age. Denver bulked and Mobley signed on with the Clippers.
 
Didn't we try to sign and trade Mobley back in the summer of '05 for Nene? What's all this talk about effecting us getting Tyreke Evans. Evans was probably in the 10th grade at the time ;)
 
Čarolija said:
And another thing at the time was that Nene was already signed with Denver and everyone was saying how overpaid he was for his production. Forgetting of course that he was coming off the bench for Denver, and Camby and Martin were their starters. Even then Nene was projecting as 17/9/1.5bpg per 36 minutes players.

Nene would be exceptional for us but as you say, too late now. Then ship has sailed and Denver are NOT trading him.

Its cute how beb0p tries to put his spin on eveything when the fact is something completely different to what he remembers.

In fact, when Mobley was a FA and Denver were interested in a sign and trade for him, we were after Nene then and he was still a pup in terms of age. Denver bulked and Mobley signed on with the Clippers.
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You are not going to force a position on me that I didn't take. I was one of the earliest advocate to rebuild through the draft. I was the one who said Denver wouldn't trade Nene. I was the one who said Nene will get around $10+M a year when most everyone had the unrealistic thought of $7-8M.

Nothing you said contradict anything that I said. So I guess if my memory is faulty, so are yours.

The only difference between you and I is that you kept longing for a player that we never had a serious chance at getting, and I knew better and have moved on.

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Nene is no "bust" but his production is nowhere near off the charts either. He's a solid player but for 10-11 million a year??? Nah, I need more than that. Good fit for Denver though, wouldn't mind him here, but if it means giving up our best trade asset, no thanks!
 
Wouldn't you guys rather pay Nene 10-11 million than pay that to Kmart? If we lived in a perfect world and Denver decided to trade us Nene for Kmart wouldn't that be the ideal situation for us?
 
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