[KINGS] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (Redux)

Spike said:
Agreed, but ask Udoka how the league feels.
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The tricky thing here is that Udoka was suspended and ultimately fired by the Celtics. I'm not aware that the NBA took any action. Also, details of the relationship are pretty hard to find, but there's a suggestion that it might have been something less than a model relationship, and that may have played in.
 
sactowndog said:
Thought it was interesting how unbalanced Fox is from everyone else. He clearly has some room to grow his game.
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Of course this is a chart of where players "like" shooting from, whatever that means. The Kings run a lot of high middle pick and roll and we've seen in Browns system that Fox and Domas are largely taking the middle spots and shooters are in the corners. If Brown stuck Fox in the corners more that chart would change drastically. That might also affect Fox's play though. That said, looking at Fox's chart he actually shot pretty dang well from the corners, 34% on one side and 48% on the other. Out of 1500+ shots last season he took a whopping 80 or so from the corners. Hence why the corners are nonexistent on that chart. Then moving up to the wing he shot league average on those 3's but still only took about 350 from there. As for the midrange, well, we know the NBA hates those shots for some reason. That might change next season though since so many upper talent, darn near super teams exist. Just launching from 3 might cost teams from here on. In 2022-23 Fox's shot chart was a bit more evenly distributed.
 
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SacTownKid said:
Of course this is a chart of where players "like" shooting from, whatever that means. The Kings run a lot of high middle pick and roll and we've seen in Browns system that Fox and Domas are largely taking the middle spots and shooters are in the corners. If Brown stuck Fox in the corners more that chart would change drastically. That might also affect Fox's play though. That said, looking at Fox's chart he actually shot pretty dang well from the corners, 34% on one side and 48% on the other. Out of 1500+ shots last season he took a whopping 80 or so from the corners. Hence why the corners are nonexistent on that chart. Then moving up to the wing he shot league average on those 3's but still only took about 350 from there. As for the midrange, well, we know the NBA hates those shots for some reason. That might change next season though since so many upper talent, darn near super teams exist. Just launching from 3 might cost teams from here on. In 2022-23 Fox's shot chart was a bit more evenly distributed.
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Yeah, great point. The charts are somewhat misleading because they are only (AFAICT) showing the volume of shots and not representing the percentages. A shot chart like this, which shows both volume and shooting percentage is more useful IMO.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/last-season-heatmap-of-shots-by-dearon-fox
 
funkykingston said:
Yeah, great point. The charts are somewhat misleading because they are only (AFAICT) showing the volume of shots and not representing the percentages. A shot chart like this, which shows both volume and shooting percentage is more useful IMO.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/last-season-heatmap-of-shots-by-dearon-fox
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It's not misleading, it's just telling you different info. The statmuse chart you give shows literal shot frequency and very smoothed percentages. That's useful for knowing where a player is going to shoot from, and about how well.

The other chart in question shows percentage of shots by location relative to league percentage of shots by location, which is useful to tell you how a player's game compares to what an average player does. It's just different info, and some of the stuff you can learn from it is obvious ("DeRozan focuses heavily on mid-range") while other stuff is relatively interesting ("Jokic heavily focuses on straight-on shots", "No top-30 scorer spends a lot of time in the corner three").
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It's not misleading, it's just telling you different info. The statmuse chart you give shows literal shot frequency and very smoothed percentages. That's useful for knowing where a player is going to shoot from, and about how well.

The other chart in question shows percentage of shots by location relative to league percentage of shots by location, which is useful to tell you how a player's game compares to what an average player does. It's just different info, and some of the stuff you can learn from it is obvious ("DeRozan focuses heavily on mid-range") while other stuff is relatively interesting ("Jokic heavily focuses on straight-on shots", "No top-30 scorer spends a lot of time in the corner three").
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True, it isn't misleading, the info it shows has just been misunderstood in this thread at times.
 
ESPN's top 50 players were revealed (well 11-50 at the moment at least)
Fox is #26 (last year #23), Domas #29 (last year #22), DDR #45 (last year #39)
Some days ago they posted the 51-100 rankings, Keegan is #94 and Monk is #65, none of them made top100 last season.

 
megapoxy said:
ESPN's top 50 players were revealed (well 11-50 at the moment at least)
Fox is #26 (last year #23), Domas #29 (last year #22), DDR #45 (last year #39)
Some days ago they posted the 51-100 rankings, Keegan is #94 and Monk is #65, none of them made top100 last season.

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That list shows it is more of a popularity contest than about overall talent.
 
I was re-visiting this game since I have no interest in watching the Lakers and I already miss Davion Mitchell along with Chimezie Metu and Terence Davis. Those guys had a certain swagger when they were on the floor together along with Monk and Lyles that was sadly missing all of last season.


Also... maybe we're worrying too much about this Ellis vs. Huerter in the starting lineup question. Monk is still the guy who Mike Brown trusts to close out games and he'll probably log the most minutes at SG again this season.
 
I always reserve judgment until the 20th game. Here is a look at our first 20 games over the past 15 seasons.

Enjoy!

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Here is a breakdown of the Sacramento Kings' performance in their first 20 games of the NBA seasons over the last 15 years:

2023-24: 11-9 (0.550)
2022-23: 10-10 (0.500)
2021-22: 8-12 (0.400)
2020-21: 9-11 (0.450)
2019-20: 8-12 (0.400)
2018-19: 10-10 (0.500)
2017-18: 6-14 (0.300)
2016-17: 7-13 (0.350)
2015-16: 7-13 (0.350)
2014-15: 9-11 (0.450)
2013-14: 6-14 (0.300)
2012-13: 7-13 (0.350)
2011-12: 6-14 (0.300)
2010-11: 5-15 (0.250)
2009-10: 7-13 (0.350)

Average Record Over 15 Years:
Average Wins: 7.7
Average Losses: 12.3
Average Winning Percentage: 0.385
 
Amick said on Sactown that the refs will continue to call the game like they did at the end of last year, that has been confirmed.

He also said that he thought that Keon was Brown’s preference to start and was given the opportunity to earn the job in camp and preseason, clearly he and the staff didn’t see enough.
 
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