Kings call, but is Jackson listening?

[Padrino]

I tend to think along the same lines. I'd like to see a Larry Brown, a Rick Carlisle, or a Gregg Poppovich, but it'd have to be a guy like that, that has a history of actually coaching basketball TEAMS, not superstar factories, and is tough without coming across as a self-aggrandizing moron. (Isn't buddhism supposed to help one reach understanding and destroy ego? )

lol

yeah....the only argument i can think of in favor of phil jackson is that 9 rings are a commanding thing. i agree that it dont mean much to the kings, considering the talent jackson's had to work with...but ya see a guy with 9 rings, and ya listen to him. people believe phil jackson's a winner. i imagine the kings would listen to a coach with 9 rings, and buy into his system w/o question. i'm, not sayin thats a good thing or a bad thing, i'll leave it to everybody else to determine if his coaching style would fit with the kings.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Hiring PJ might just help the Maloofs get a new arena.

 

[Padrino]

Hiring PJ might just help the Maloofs get a new arena.

hm.

another interesting perspective.

 

[kennadog]

Kudos to Peja for being classy: Just now on KHTK was asked to comment on the rumors (that IS all they are). He said (summarized) he thought that RA should be recognized and appreciated for what he's done for this team, franchise and city and deserved to be treated with respect. I think he thinks that the media's pandering to these rumors is disrespectful as long as he is the current coach. Thank you Peja. Probabaly why the Maloofs gave such a curt answer to the reporter when asked about it.

 

[Padrino]

Kudos to Peja for being classy: Just now on KHTK was aksed to comment on the rumors (that IS all they are). He said (summarized) he thought that RA should be recognized and appreciated for what he's done for this team, franchise and city and deserved to be treated with respect. I think he thinks that the media's pandering to these rumors is disrespectful as long as he is the current coach. Thank you Peja. Probabaly why the Maloofs gave such a curt answer to the reporter when asked about it.

i definitely agree that voison is way out of line with the jackson rumors. i speculate cuz its possible that adleman could be replaced...but to write 3 articles in a row practically kissing jackson's *** all the way to sacramento is just plain disrespectful to adelman.

 

[zeke04]

really not a rumor. The Maloofs have contact Jackson agent. She was not the only one to report it. The LA times along with other media outlets reported on it this morning.

 

[Padrino]

really not a rumor. The Maloofs have contact Jackson agent. She was not the only one to report it. The LA times along with other media outlets reported on it this morning.

either way....she's really pushing the limit with that story. i dont think its fair to rick adleman, especially considering the kings were just knocked out of the first round earlier this week.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hiring PJ might just help the Maloofs get a new arena.

Or people might wonder how the Maloofs can plead poverty re: the arena on one hand, and be willing to spend $10 million a year for a coach on the other.

 

[kennadog]

The articles all said that it was confirmed by a "league source", whoever that is. However, it is obvious in AV article that the Maloofs are not happy that the media is openly speculating on what their intentions are. I do think its disrespectful to Rick.

"I have nothing to say," JoeMaloof said tersely when contacted late Thursday night. "Let us run our business."

According to sources close to the situation - all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity - ….”

All I know is I don't think I'd want to be a source close to the situation who asked for anonymity, if Joe Maloof finds out who it is.

 

[Padrino]

Or people might wonder how the Maloofs can plead poverty re: the arena on one hand, and be willing to spend $10 million a year for a coach on the other.

hm.

also an interesting perspective.

no matter how it plays out, it promises to be an eventful off season for the sacramento kings organization, as well as for their fans.

 

[zeke04]

I think she has gone over board. It is very clear she is again out to get Rick.
I'm sure she thinks she's on a roll since she was pushing to get Webber out too.

I wonder what she'll write about tomorrow.

 

[Padrino]

I think she has gone over board. It is very clear she is again out to get Rick.
I'm sure she thinks she's on a roll since she was pushing to get Webber out too.

I wonder what she'll write about tomorrow.

if she writes another article about phil jackson i'll probably spit out my breakfast cuz i wont be able to control my laughter over her pathetic excuse for a journalism career.

 

[kennadog]

Well at least it'll be Saturday. If she does write about it again, I won't have to miss work from being sick of her articles about it.

 

[zeke04]

I suggest you not eat while reading then

 

[Folsom Al]

Just Imagine ...

If you were Rick Adelman, and read about this stuff in the paper and hear about it in the various news/sports reports.

 

[kennadog]

If you were Rick Adelman, and read about this stuff in the paper and hear about it in the various news/sports reports.

Exactly! It would be kinda like your boss saying you're the one and they have confidence in you. Then the boss sits around in your office discussing with slmeone else who to interview to replace you. He might be considering if there is someone better, but don't you think that would be a disrespectful way to go about it?

 

[Just_Lurkin]

Jackson doesn't coach 'pretty good' line-ups. He likes teams on the cusp, that need just that little nudge to get over the top. That line-up isn't it.

technically, neither is LA.LOL This time around i think phil is all about the cash and who's willing to give him the most.

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't care if Jackson is begging the Maloofs daily for the job. I say no. **** no. What can he possibly do that Adelman has not done?

Jackson could come in and not be a *playes* coach. A.k.A laid back and doesn't enforce what he wants done. He could come in and lay down the law, kick some ***, say, " This is what you ARE going to do!". And for some reason if they don't, have his foot so far up their *** they'll taste his shoe laces. Numerous players have been noted as saying, "Sometimes not everyone follows the play. They just do what they want.", and I'm not just talking about Webber.

If people like Bibby worked as hard on his defense as he did on his jump shot, he'd be an awesome defender. SOMEONE isn't making that a priority. Saying that Bibby is just not a good defender and that's the way it is, is a cop out. Sorry. He could be if he actually Tried. Same thing with players like Miller. Sometimes I see a serious lack of effort on his part, and I'm talking about when he's healthy. Someone also should be on MIllers *** to get in a gym and build up a little strength, and muscle defenition. How can you be an NBA player, run as much as an NBA player does, and have as little muscle definition as he does.

Phil Jackson could do a lot.

 

[Sparky]

what about phil? why'd you leave him out? artest wont be a king yet phil will? that makes no sense.... will kobe be a king too?

PJ has decent table manners and is already house trained. Artest eats with his hands and steals off of other people's plate.

 

[Sparky]

I don't care if Jackson is begging the Maloofs daily for the job. I say no. **** no. What can he possibly do that Adelman has not done? Get them to play defense? With stalwarts Bibby and Miller? I'm sorry, but it is not physically possible, no matter how many pieces of metal he has on his fingers. He could not do as well as Adelman with our personnel. I firmly believe that.

Gotta agree. I also see Minny, with KG, as a more likely option. If Webb was still healthy and in Sac, I would see it as more likely. I think PJ coming to Sac is just about as fanciful as a healthy Webb in Sac. In fact, I see KG coming here as more likely than the other two scenarios.

 

[Bricklayer]

Jackson could come in and not be a *playes* coach. A.k.A laid back and doesn't enforce what he wants done. He could come in and lay down the law, kick some ***, say, " This is what you ARE going to do!". And for some reason if they don't, have his foot so far up their *** they'll taste his shoe laces. Numerous players have been noted as saying, "Sometimes not everyone follows the play. They just do what they want.", and I'm not just talking about Webber.

If people like Bibby worked as hard on his defense as he did on his jump shot, he'd be an awesome defender. SOMEONE isn't making that a priority. Saying that Bibby is just not a good defender and that's the way it is, is a cop out. Sorry. He could be if he actually Tried. Same thing with players like Miller. Sometimes I see a serious lack of effort on his part, and I'm talking about when he's healthy. Someone also should be on MIllers *** to get in a gym and build up a little strength, and muscle defenition. How can you be an NBA player, run as much as an NBA player does, and have as little muscle definition as he does.

Phil Jackson could do a lot.

I think you are a little confused about what sort of coach Jackson is. He is hardly a kick butt and take names coach. And in fact his teams in recent years have suffered from rampant chemistry and discipline problems. No stern taskmaster is he. More of a weasly mind game player with a hefty ego. And when a player starts getting out of control and hurts the team he is more likely to write a book about them than actually bench them.

And BTW, Mike Bibby can NOT be a great defender. If he did defensive drills 24/7 for the remainder of his life he would never be a great defensive player. people talk about it like it is 100% effort. It is not. Effort is key, but defensive skills, physical attributes, instincts are all just as important as those with the ball. Just as Cat mobley will never be a strong instinctual passer, Mike Bibby will never be much of a defender. Be nice if he could at least make himself average, but he's been playing organized ball for 15years now and so far as I know has never shown one inkling of that.

Personnel matters. You want a great defensive team? Get great defensive personnel -- we did in 02-03 and voila!, what do you know, we led the league in defense. And that's actually what would need to happen if we got a defensive minded coach. Do you think a guy who stresses defense first would want to coach our softies? Hardly. Bring in his own guys. Slow down the game. Major rebuild and, for better or worse, probably the end fo the Kings as we've known them.

 

[KP]

Personnel matters. You want a great defensive team? Get great defensive personnel -- we did in 02-03 and voila!, what do you know, we led the league in defense.

That's impossible! Rick Adelman doesn't know how to coach defense!

 

[Webber4tHREE]

Why people want to get rid of Adelman over a dude that has talked trash about Sacramento

 

[Bartking]

I think you are a little confused about what sort of coach Jackson is. He is hardly a kick butt and take names coach. And in fact his teams in recent years have suffered from rampant chemistry and discipline problems. No stern taskmaster is he. More of a weasly mind game player with a hefty ego. And when a player starts getting out of control and hurts the team he is more likely to write a book about them than actually bench them.

Yeah, but is there a coach who is as relaxed as Rick? He always says "we talked about it in practice." So, why not sit guys who don't follow the plan?

If you don't box out or get back on defense, why not get punished?

Stuff like Webber, bringing the ball up EVERY G-DAMN game, at least once, leading to a turnover or a scramble every time, never got punished. And a million other things, too. Maybe it takes a hard-*** coach to get the guys into a playoff mentality. Maybe it's been too relaxed around here, like Webber implied, but instead of scowls and calling unnamed people out, how about no play for no effort? Of course, it could all blow up, because generally NBA players are prima donnas, but I'd like to at least see it tried here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah, but is there a coach who is as relaxed as Rick? He always says "we talked about it in practice." So, why not sit guys who don't follow the plan?

If you don't box out or get back on defense, why not get punished?

Stuff like Webber, bringing the ball up EVERY G-DAMN game, at least once, leading to a turnover or a scramble every time, never got punished. And a million other things, too. Maybe it takes a hard-*** coach to get the guys into a playoff mentality. Maybe it's been too relaxed around here, like Webber implied, but instead of scowls and calling unnamed people out, how about no play for no effort? Of course, it could all blow up, because generally NBA players are prima donnas, but I'd like to at least see it tried here.

I think that would have been disaster with the old squad. Might still be with the new one. We have thrived precisley because Rick never strangled our talent. Let guys be themselves. Oft commented on by players coming in or leaving town. Many a failed NBA coach has failed precisely because he still thinks he's coaching high school kids and wants to control everything and make gusy what they are not. Takes a special lack of ego in a coach to let players play to their strengths and not to try to take credit for it.

But regardless Phil Jackson is not remotely your man if that's what you're looking for. Larry Brown might be. Or a sleeper like Jeff Bzdelik. Phil will just sit there smugly on the bench with a smirk on his face letting them "play through it" and refusing to call a timeout.

 

[Rockmeister]

Phil will just sit there smugly on the bench with a smirk on his face letting them "play through it" and refusing to call a timeout.

I'm not trying to start any flame wars, but isn't this what Adelman does constantly? I've always like Adelman as a coach, however, there are certain things I didn't understand and this was one of them.

 

[Sparky]

I've seen RA yelling at the guys on the floor to pass the ball, etc. I've also seen him (rarely) dance a jig when the play was spectacular. I think he's a terrific coach. From my own perspective, I work for a small software company. There are maybe eight or ten employees in the office at any one time. There is no manager, and the boss is out of the office for weeks at a time.

An enormous amount of work gets done this way. The employees take ownership of their responsiblities because they are basically their own boss. Not everyone can function in such an environment. Some people need to be closely managed. The entire Kings style is based on players with high bball IQ doing what they know they need to do. We need a couple more guys like that (maybe just one superstar) and we will be back in the running.

 

[SacTownKid]

He will go where the money is. I just hope that is far far away from Sacramento.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not trying to start any flame wars, but isn't this what Adelman does constantly? I've always like Adelman as a coach, however, there are certain things I didn't understand and this was one of them.

That was kind of my point. there are more similarities between Phil and Rick than differences. Except that Rick will sit on the bench with a frown on his face rather than a smirk.

Phil's a good coach. But he's never won **** in this league without the best player in basketball on his roster, and at least 2 HOFs at any one time. jordan leaves for a couple of years? Wins 50-55 (second year even with Jordan returning ala Webb last year) knocked out in the second round. and I actually considered the first of those years to be the year he proved he could actually coach and not just ride coattails. Jordan/Pippen too young in the late 80's? 2nd round exit. Kobe/Shaq fat and fighting? Nope. Kobe/Shaq/Mailman/Payton, FOUR HOFs? Nope. He's a good coach, but if he doesn't have the All-Time great players in their prime he doesn't do any better than Rick or any other good coach. Just another coach.

 

[EmKingsFan4]

The articles all said that it was confirmed by a "league source", whoever that is. However, it is obvious in AV article that the Maloofs are not happy that the media is openly speculating on what their intentions are. I do think its disrespectful to Rick.



All I know is I don't think I'd want to be a source close to the situation who asked for anonymity, if Joe Maloof finds out who it is.

I definitely agree with you...this is not the way that Geoff likes to do business...I mean the poor guy leaves to get heart surgery and look what happens!?! Just goes to show you what a mess we'd be without him...he would have handled this situation a lot better I think